To the victor go the spoils...

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    <center><h2><a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/politics/campaign/04conserve.html?pagewanted=print&position=>Some Bush Supporters Say They Anticipate a 'Revolution'</a></h2></center>

    <blockquote>By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

    ARLINGTON, Va., Nov. 3 - Exulting in their electoral victories, President Bush's conservative supporters immediately turned to staking out mandates for an ambitious agenda of long-cherished goals, including privatizing Social Security, banning same-sex marriage, remaking the Supreme Court and overturning the court's decisions in support of abortion rights.

    "Now comes the revolution," Richard Viguerie, the dean of conservative direct mail, told about a dozen fellow movement stalwarts gathered around a television here, tallying up their Senate seats in the earliest hours of the morning. "If you don't implement a conservative agenda now, when do you?"

    By midday, however, fights over the spoils had already begun, as conservatives debated the electorate's verdict on the war in Iraq, the Bush administration's spending and the administration's hearty embrace of traditionalist social causes.

    Conservative Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, were first in line to stake their claims, citing polls showing that a plurality of Bush supporters named "moral values" as the most important issue and arguing that a drive to ban same-sex marriage boosted turnout in Ohio.

    "Make no mistake - conservative Christians and 'values voters' won this election for George W. Bush and Republicans in Congress," Mr. Viguerie wrote in a memorandum sent to other prominent conservatives. "It's crucial that the Republican leadership not forget this - as much as some will try," he said, underlining the final clause.

    "Liberals, many in the media and inside the Republican Party are urging the president to 'unite' the country by discarding the allies that earned him another four years," Mr. Viguerie continued. "They're urging him to discard us conservative Catholics and Protestants, people for whom moral values are the most important issue.''</blockquote>

    Why is it assumed that a Judeo-Christian/deontological ethical system, rooted in a false celestial/terrestrial distinction, is superior to one rooted in the objective consequences to this life, in this world? There is no basis for such a view...Other than the absolutist chauvinism of those who adhere to such world views.

    With values rooted in the very real consequences of our actions upon ourselves and others, the relativism fostered by widely disparate interpretations of "divine will" are discarded for the useless dross that they are. But this presupposes a rational society, a society which Tuesday's election shows us to be light years away from.
     
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    Bill Bennett wants a culture war.

    I worried about this... I was hoping the Prez could somehow get more swing voters and more Democrats to vote for him, instead he just turned out a bunch of religious fundamentalists who want to remake the US into the Christian super state.

    Now he can either cut these folks off on most issues (please!) or he'll reward them non-stop, and that would be very bad for America.
     
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    YEAH BUDDY! Another four years of a cognitively impaired dry-drunk with his finger on the trigger, and on a mission from God!
     
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    Nato, don't be paranoid. There are some in the democratic party that want a revolution, there are some in the democratic party are communists, there are SOME leaders in the democratic party that want to succeed. So what? What is important, is what the MASSES want and the MASSES don't want a cultural war. They just want people to be upstanding, moral and honest. So what is wrong with that? You CANNOT let the MINORITY dictate the outcome. So again, DO NOT WORRY and DO NOT be paranoid.
     
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    I'm not scared of a revolution. The culture revolution is already occurring and isn't too bad. If it goes armed, guess which party the NRA is with?
     
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    Revolution is the wrong word.

    People want a return to a normalcy.

    They don't hate homosexuals, but they don't want to celebrate them.
    They understand sometimes abortions are necessary, but they don't want it used as birth control and they don't want fully formed babies having their brains sucked out for no good reason.

    That's not a revolution. That's where most people have always been and until now it was never an issue. Those simple beliefs came under assault by a radical left wing minority pushing for the extremes and the people responded.

    Nothing changed. All we have now is greater clarity.
     
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    the far leftists who want a left revolution will never ever enter power again. the far right is in power right now (not pres. bush but some of his supporters) and their ideas are quite different from the great majority of americans. i hope pres. bush governs as a conservative who leans centrist, not a conservative who leans further right.
     
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    Clinton had his lefties too. Just part of governing from the center.
     
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    I agree, his lefties were kept in check a lot of the time though, and when they were let loose they were usually such a disaster they were hidden quickly.

    i hope pres. bush does the same with his far right.
     
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    excelent points: i bleive if they gay crowd accepted civil union as their term for marriage they would get what they want...
     

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