To Save the Schools, We Must Change the Social Contract

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    Yeah she did. But thanks for playing.
    You closet Libs are nutz.
     
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    what youre talking about is mob rule based on communism,,,,

    you never said what happens if the collective says to leave the bad kids in class??
     
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    That was deliberate. Democracy advocates like to pretend that their solution isn't about force, but of course it is.

    A right is a freedom, not a grant of power. What you refer to as "collective rights" is simply the power of the majority to bully the minority. Some of you seem to think that going through the process of taking a vote legitimizes that bullying, but it doesn't.
     
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    No, I didn't.

    Reading comprehension fail. Again.
     
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    I wish the tow of you could get along.
     
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    Newsflash for you: if you don't agree to live by a vote in a community than you devolve to gang warfare. So yes: society has a code we all agree--either overtly or not--to live by. Else the code is survival of the fittest and then anarchy.

    You want survival of the fittest? Bully for you. Leave us out of it.
     
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    what you are talking about is a democracy,,,and as we always see from history is those lead to communism,,,

    but since youre a communist that would make sense,,,

    America is a republic,,,,,

    you must be public school educated,,,
     
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    The concept of "collective rights" isn't referring to rights at all. It's referring to the idea that the majority can dictate to the minority in the general case. That's an abuse of government. The point of government isn't to command society - it's to protect our freedom.
     
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    No. Society sets up government to protect rights. So when I say collective rights, I mean the rights of the collective--the group. In school, the major rights are a safe place to learn. When an individual threatens those rights on the regular, then yes--the "majority" dictates that things have to change or steps will be taken. It would be interesting to find out how--or why--you would want this to change. Are you here saying that the right of one child to continually be disruptive outweighs the rights of all the other children to stay in their classroom with their teacher and learn? Or what?

    Last, in most human group situations you are going to have a majority-rules situation. The difference is: does the majority rule by persuasion and election (such as in our representative republic) or by brute force (such as by gang warfare)? That is no small distinction and it's grossly unfair for you to equate the two.
     
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    Ok, so maybe I just not clear on how you're using the term "collective right". Let me ask you this: what rights does a collective have that an individual does not?

    In your example of a disruptive child (or anyone really), it's the individual rights of each child that are being violated. Where does the collective come into play? What makes a right "collective"?
     
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