To Restore Prosperity, We Must Increase Economic Freedom

[TakeAStepBack]

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

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[CrusaderFrank]

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

?

Simple question.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

?

FDR supposedly is a Great President for "Getting us out of the Great Depression."

Here's the data set.

I see no greatness. I see 7 consecutive years of failure.

FDR US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. 7 year Average = 19.0%

What's so great about averaging almost 20% unemployment for 7 consecutive years?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/125346-the-imaginary-greatness-of-fdr.html

 

[Douger]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFCgAhZEO8]Crosby Stills Nash A Long Time Gone Woodstock 1969 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[TakeAStepBack]

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

?

Simple question.

And yet none of the FDR new deal supporters can seem to answer. I've heard it from several diehards. Everything from the new deal and the socialist agenda produced the middle class, to unions were the champions of creating the middle class. It takes a lot of fact bending to draw these conclusions.

 

[expat_panama]

...would you say America would be better off with more freedom or with less freedom?

This whole mess was caused by lack of regulations on the lenders and this asshole wants the lenders deregulated. He is interested in the freedom of the corprations and NOT your or my freedoms

What I'm getting is that you want more freedom for you and less for people who own corporations. That's honest and a lot of very good people want that. We can't just say we need more freedom for everyone because there's always a time and place for say, prisons.

My view is that corporation owners shouldn't be made prisoners.

 

[Katzndogz]

...would you say America would be better off with more freedom or with less freedom?

This whole mess was caused by lack of regulations on the lenders and this asshole wants the lenders deregulated. He is interested in the freedom of the corprations and NOT your or my freedoms

What I'm getting is that you want more freedom for you and less for people who own corporations. That's honest and a lot of very good people want that. We can't just say we need more freedom for everyone because there's always a time and place for say, prisons.

My view is that corporation owners shouldn't be made prisoners.

Partly right. More freedom to take from corporations or anyone that has assets, including individuals, amd less freedom for people to protect what they earned.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...would you say America would be better off with more freedom or with less freedom?

This whole mess was caused by lack of regulations on the lenders and this asshole wants the lenders deregulated. He is interested in the freedom of the corprations and NOT your or my freedoms

What I'm getting is that you want more freedom for you and less for people who own corporations. That's honest and a lot of very good people want that. We can't just say we need more freedom for everyone because there's always a time and place for say, prisons.

My view is that corporation owners shouldn't be made prisoners.

Partly right. More freedom to take from corporations or anyone that has assets, including individuals, amd less freedom for people to protect what they earned.

"Their pension go first!" -- Joe Biden threatening to confiscate executive pensions (does this include Corzine?)

 

[kiwiman127]

If people want prosperity for the US, income inequality has to be addressed. A person would fairly hard-pressed to find any economist who thinks that income inequality is good, but would have no problem finding economists who think income inequality is bad for the economy.

How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?
How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?

How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?
CONVERSABLE ECONOMIST: How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?

IMF: Income inequality is bad for economic growth
IMF: Income inequality is terrible for economic growth - The Washington Post

And Now, Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal
Read more: Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal

Is rising income inequality a serious problem?
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~lkenwor/soc150b1-isrisingincomeinequalityaseriousproblem.pdf

Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth
Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth - Bloomberg

Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why.
Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why. - CSMonitor.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If people want prosperity for the US, income inequality has to be addressed. A person would fairly hard-pressed to find any economist who thinks that income inequality is good, but would have no problem finding economists who think income inequality is bad for the economy.

How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?
How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?

How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?
CONVERSABLE ECONOMIST: How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?

IMF: Income inequality is bad for economic growth
IMF: Income inequality is terrible for economic growth - The Washington Post

And Now, Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal
Read more: Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal

Is rising income inequality a serious problem?
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~lkenwor/soc150b1-isrisingincomeinequalityaseriousproblem.pdf

Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth
Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth - Bloomberg

Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why.
Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why. - CSMonitor.com

Fucking retard

 

[Truthseeker420]

What year exactly did the New Deal begin to lower unemployment, because it averaged just a tick under 20% from FDR inauguration until Hitler conquered France?

The New Deal created an actual middle class in this country where there was none. It also was responsible for a crap load of infrastructure that led to an economic boom. And, for shits and giggles..Farmers actually got electricity. Welcome to the modern age.

What year did that start to happen? Can you please tell us?

The New Deal and FDR's central planning actually hindered the build out of the electric grid because like his hero Stalin, FDR wanted to prove to America that government knew best

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

The history of the middle class, 1929-2010 - dmalrajabi - Open Salon

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Well, it's a bad idea to focus efforts on stopping a symptom of the problem (income "inequality"), as the problem itself.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The New Deal created an actual middle class in this country where there was none. It also was responsible for a crap load of infrastructure that led to an economic boom. And, for shits and giggles..Farmers actually got electricity. Welcome to the modern age.

What year did that start to happen? Can you please tell us?

The New Deal and FDR's central planning actually hindered the build out of the electric grid because like his hero Stalin, FDR wanted to prove to America that government knew best

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

The history of the middle class, 1929-2010 - dmalrajabi - Open Salon

This work is at best an opinion piece, and at worst a badly conceived work of fiction that will be disproven readily

That's where I stopped reading.

 

[midcan5]

To Restore Prosperity, We Must Increase Economic Freedom

Please allow me to rephrase that simple solution: In order to restore prosperity we must put a dollar under our pillow tonight. Tomorrow the Tooth Fairy will return us to a time when things were perfect, when no regulations existed, when business worked for the people, when government only watched TV and ate pretzels, and the employees and the nation prospered in wealth and well being. Remember those times!

See how easy it to fix any problem when you have a nice tooth fairy, nice tooth fairies are just like 'economic freedom,' rather useless, hard to define, often ambiguous, hard to find, but they keep the believers in tooth fairies happy as the world turns.

 

[Katzndogz]

Economic freedom is the opposite of income inequality. Where you have economic freedom one person will always achieve more than another resulting in income inequality.

 

[kiwiman127]

If people want prosperity for the US, income inequality has to be addressed. A person would fairly hard-pressed to find any economist who thinks that income inequality is good, but would have no problem finding economists who think income inequality is bad for the economy.

How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?
How does income inequality negatively affect the economy?

How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?
CONVERSABLE ECONOMIST: How Does Inequality Affect Economic Growth?

IMF: Income inequality is bad for economic growth
IMF: Income inequality is terrible for economic growth - The Washington Post

And Now, Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal
Read more: Here's Why Income Inequality Really Is A Big Deal

Is rising income inequality a serious problem?
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~lkenwor/soc150b1-isrisingincomeinequalityaseriousproblem.pdf

Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth
Raskin Says Income Inequality Among Americans Undermining Economic Growth - Bloomberg

Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why.
Income inequality: It's a problem. Here's why. - CSMonitor.com

Fucking retard

Soooooo,,,instead of calling me names, why not factually dispute the economists who clearly stated the inequality of incomes stagnants economic growth?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Economic freedom is the opposite of income inequality. Where you have economic freedom one person will always achieve more than another resulting in income inequality.

that depends on what you define as "economic freedom". if you mean expansive, fiat money for central banker financial freeedom, then, yes. the result is the opposite of equality.

Equality, hopefully, does not mean to anyone that everyone gets the same amount. It should refer to everyone getting the same chance to earn and keep their fruits.

 

[California Girl]

While we're at it, it would be good if we grasped the concept (and it really is quite a simple one) that public sector jobs do not save the economy. They just don't. It is basic logic - albeit involving math.

And of course that's bullshit. From the New Deal, to the Reagan Bailouts, to the George HW Bush bailouts, to the George W Bush TARP, to the Obama stimulus and rescue of the auto industry..the public sector has been rescuing private sector idiocy for generations.

It is not 'bullshit'. There is no monetary gain from a public sector job. Creating public sector jobs does not put the economy on a secure foundation. They just don't.

It is very simple math. Even I can do it. And math is not my strongest subject.

It's easy. Start with one simple question.... who pays the public sector? Work it out from there.

I shall ignore your deflection about the New Deal etc because that is not what I said. You just ranted about that to deflect from what I actually said... or maybe you're just too dumb to get it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The New Deal created an actual middle class in this country where there was none. It also was responsible for a crap load of infrastructure that led to an economic boom. And, for shits and giggles..Farmers actually got electricity. Welcome to the modern age.

What year did that start to happen? Can you please tell us?

The New Deal and FDR's central planning actually hindered the build out of the electric grid because like his hero Stalin, FDR wanted to prove to America that government knew best

What year did the New Deal start to build this middle class you keep telling us about?

The history of the middle class, 1929-2010 - dmalrajabi - Open Salon

You should take the time to read what you link to. I didn't see an answer in there either.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168]Amazon.com: A Brief History of Time (9780553380163): Stephen Hawking: Books[/ame]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

To Restore Prosperity, We Must Increase Economic Freedom

Please allow me to rephrase that simple solution: In order to restore prosperity we must put a dollar under our pillow tonight. Tomorrow the Tooth Fairy will return us to a time when things were perfect, when no regulations existed, when business worked for the people, when government only watched TV and ate pretzels, and the employees and the nation prospered in wealth and well being. Remember those times!

See how easy it to fix any problem when you have a nice tooth fairy, nice tooth fairies are just like 'economic freedom,' rather useless, hard to define, often ambiguous, hard to find, but they keep the believers in tooth fairies happy as the world turns.

This from a guy who supports policies that generate annual $1.3 Trillion deficits and got us our first ever credit downgrade