To hate Jews is to hate God.

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    To hate Jews is to hate God.

    If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God’s tools in carrying out God’s plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God’s will and not their own.

    Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

    Jews Not Responsible for Death of Christ, Pope Says

    Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKg4HLsu5gE&feature=related]Is Satan a Catholic? - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related]God Killed Jesus (Responsibility & Christianity) - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U]Nothing but the blood? - YouTube[/ame]

    The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

    Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

    Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

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    I asked a well-informed Jewish friend to comment before I posted this and this is what he had to say.

    Modern Jews and ancient Jews for one. I suppose you are concerned about modern Jewish opinion. Yes, some modern Jews are concerned that Christian Right support isn't for the best, that there is a hidden agenda to benefit Christian Right at the expense of Jews. Other modern Jews (particularly Israeli Right) don't care if there is a hidden agenda or not, they are happy to take anyone's support. These same cynical guys gave and took support from White S African racists (prior to Mandela liberation) and supported the White S African nuclear weapons program. Such people are typically atheist Israeli Jews BTW. Religious Jews generally distrust any Christians bearing gifts (they are Greeks of a sort anyway). Atheists Jews aren't particular, they will take support from anyone (see their behavior in the early Soviet Union). Modern Israel was founded by atheist socialist Jews (the Bund). Religious Jews prior to 1948 and some even prior to 1967 did not believe that Israel should be re-established, without the Messiah. Some religious Jews still believe this (Naturei Karta) and these Jews have cordial relations with Hamas. Such Jews of course would be anathema to the Christian Right. The Christian Right doesn't mind atheist Jews, because they believe all Jews atheist or not will be damned by G-d. Some of the Christian Right also believe that the Jews are not real Jews, only Gentiles are Jews (at least some are seen as such, such as the British Royal Family ... see Anglo-American Israelitism). Many Gentiles believe that modern Jews are of impure "race" anyway, or are even nephelim (angelic spawned demons). A good book on the death of Jesus (at least in literature if not in fact) is "Who Killed Jesus?" by John Dominic Crossan.

    Actually I would say that to hate anyone, is to hate G-d ... so some of the verses of the Bible are clearly not inspired, because hate is talked about positively at times. It is possible that some verses are meant ironically. The other thing your scheme implies is that of Pauline predetermination. Paul clearly went beyond predestination to predetermination. He didn't believe in free will, and pointedly talked about his lack of free will, and resulting lack of responsibility, in the beginning of the Epistle to the Romans. In no way did Jesus ever talk in those terms, but then Paul wasn't a follower of the fictional synoptic Jesus (aka a historical Jesus), but of a gnostic angelic figure (vision on the road to Damascus) more like the Johannine Jesus. I don't believe the idea of a realistic Jesus even occurred to anyone until after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was after Paul's death. The realistic synoptic Jesus was turned into the historical Jesus by Christian argumentation. The actual Johannine gospel came last, but its ideas were first, having been written in reaction to the synoptic Jesus, who was written in reaction to the Gnostic Jesus aka Avalokiteshvara and the Gnostic Virgin Mary (Prajnaparamita).

    There are lots of reasons for Christians to hate Jews and vice versa:
    BBC News - Jewish bodies found in medieval well in Norwich

    But I don't think it has ever been legitimate, that is ... it is an expression of sin not virtue. Christians and Muslims should especially value Jewish people, but they are violent, immoral, jealous, stupid (well that is the Jewish stereotype).

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    what about hatin fags or Muslims is that cool with your god ??
     
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    The Jews pushing for Jesus' crucifixion were fulfilling their role in God's plan.

    If Jesus were to come to Earth for the first time today, he'd be crucified in downtown Berkeley.
     
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    Jews have a few different views because they don't believe in the NT.

    Not sure where you get the idea the Christian right hate Jews. Most Christians are very loyal to Israel that has been my experience. I agree to hate Jews or any people is to hate God,we are all his children. We don't have the ability to judge ones heart only our creator has that ability.
     
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    But I have to be serious and disagree because next time he comes,he comes as the King and judge.
     
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    Where do you come up with all these stupid ideas?
     
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    Indeed. You'll notice I said, "If Jesus were to come to Earth for the first time today..."
     
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    First you have to believe that God has a Master Plan, Predestination, if you will. Written in stone and nothing can be done to change it. If you believe that God gave us a free will. than that means we have the ability to make our own decisions in life and that these decisions will undoubtedly affect our lives in some way. so in essence, we are responsible for all of our actions. and these actions will have consequences.
    So if you believe that God has a Master Plan than not only are the Jews God’s tools in carrying out God’s plan but so is every evil dictator or murderer. Then every sinner should be venerated because as you say: They were all doing God’s will and not their own.
     

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