To be a GOOD Liberal you believe the following:

[pegwinn]

Actually he's correct. It is a legitimate problem. But, it is fixable at low cost to either the traveller or customs. Simply tighten up the crossing procedures at customs.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

It's your side that is causing the problems for us.

 

[Hobbit]

It's your side that is causing the problems for us.

So, you expect us to ban all guns so that nobody can sneak them across the border? The criminals aren't criminals until they cross your border, and as long as we're not encouraging them to do so, that makes it Canada's problem, not ours. If you appeal to us for help in the form of border guarding, rather than denying our citizens' constitutional rights, then we'd probably help you. However, we're not going to ban guns, so the solution lies solely in being able to prevent the illegal crossings.

If we held this same standard everywhere, you'd have to have all of your districts raise the drinking age so 18 year olds can't smuggle liquor across the border.

 

[Said1]

It's your side that is causing the problems for us.

Good grief, the demand is here also, hot guns are a big seller. Step out of suburbia and into adulthood.

 

[Nuc]

BBM, the reason that the second amendment exists is to ensure that no one can overthrow the people of the usa. Governments come and go, but the people will not be subjugated. I hope you get that.

As to interpreting the second amendment. Other than your own personal opinion, where does it say that assault weapons are not allowed. Remember, the point of the constitutuion is that you get it unless they specifically banned it.

Which of these things should be readily available to the public?

Bazookas
Tanks
Anti-aircraft missiles
Nuclear bombs

None are mentioned in the constitution. Do you think you or your neighbor should be able to buy these? Use them?

 

[pegwinn]

Which of these things should be readily available to the public?

Bazookas
Tanks
Anti-aircraft missiles
Nuclear bombs

None are mentioned in the constitution. Do you think you or your neighbor should be able to buy these? Use them?

I see that your debating forum covered this days lesson

excluded middle (or false dichotomy): considering only the extremes. Many people use Aristotelian either/or logic tending to describe in terms of up/down, black/white, true/false, love/hate, etc. (e.g., You either like it or you don't. He either stands guilty or not guilty.) Many times, a continuum occurs between the extremes that people fail to see. The universe also contains many "maybes."

Your argument assumes that only a legislature can possibly know what is good for me. To answer your question, yeah, if I want it and can get my hands on it, it's mine. If I commit a crime with it then I am accountable. If you would prefer that I not have a nuke, then I guess you should ensure I cannot get the parts eh?

 

[Nuc]

I see that your debating forum covered this days lesson



Your argument assumes that only a legislature can possibly know what is good for me. To answer your question, yeah, if I want it and can get my hands on it, it's mine. If I commit a crime with it then I am accountable. If you would prefer that I not have a nuke, then I guess you should ensure I cannot get the parts eh?

I personally think cop killer bullets and automatic weapons are extreme. I don't think anyone in civilized society should have them. My opinion. If your ideals lead you to conclude that it's OK for you to own, buy and use tanks and nukes I feel sorry for you and the people around you. That's an extreme reading of the 2nd amendment, while you are talking about extremes.

 

[pegwinn]

I personally think cop killer bullets and automatic weapons are extreme. And you are entitled to your opinion I don't think anyone in civilized society should have them. Tell that to the folks living in the combat zones we call inner cities. If they were/are better armed, perhaps the gangs wouldn't hold sway. My opinion. If your ideals lead you to conclude that it's OK for you to own, buy and use tanks and nukes I feel sorry for you and the people around you. That's an extreme reading of the 2nd amendment, while you are talking about extremes. My ideals tell me to do as I please within the limits of the morality taught to me by my parents and reinforced by society. I personally have no need to own a tank. But I should have the right to assuming I am not a violent felon.

Just because you don't think someone "should" do something, doesn't automatically mean that you shuld take away the right to do it. Look at Cindy Sheehan for example. No one on this board will agree with what she does or how it is being done. Also, no one will say that her first amendment right should be limited.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Why would we give a gun to a former criminal and murderer? Where's the sense in that, you're just endangering more people. The right to bear arms was only meant for after the American revolution because people were so afraid of the British coming back. Guns are not meant for keeping the king of England out of your face. The amendment is not needed today. Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house.

This link shows how much bad guns do to people.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1284/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_US_in_2004

Bottom line, you don't need a gun, just put a home sercuity system in.

Read your sentence above that I bolded. Herein lies your confusion about guns.
Guns are not bad. Guns do not do bad things to people. Guns are inert things.

It is people who do bad things to other people. It is bad people who use guns to do bad things to other people.

Until liberals get this concept, there really is no hope for them.

 

[OCA]

It's your side that is causing the problems for us.

For a country that sleeps under the blanket of security that America provides that's about the most erroneous stement you could of made.

 

[OCA]

So, you expect us to ban all guns so that nobody can sneak them across the border? The criminals aren't criminals until they cross your border, and as long as we're not encouraging them to do so, that makes it Canada's problem, not ours. If you appeal to us for help in the form of border guarding, rather than denying our citizens' constitutional rights, then we'd probably help you. However, we're not going to ban guns, so the solution lies solely in being able to prevent the illegal crossings.

If we held this same standard everywhere, you'd have to have all of your districts raise the drinking age so 18 year olds can't smuggle liquor across the border.

I have a suggestion: how about Canada return all American A.W.O.L. then we talk about guns crossing the border.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Which of these things should be readily available to the public?

Bazookas
Tanks
Anti-aircraft missiles
Nuclear bombs

None are mentioned in the constitution. Do you think you or your neighbor should be able to buy these? Use them?

None of those existed when the Constitution was written

 

[nosarcasm]

according to the Judges, anything was laid out in the constituion.

 

[Nuc]

None of those existed when the Constitution was written

I was responding to this from pegwinn "As to interpreting the second amendment. Other than your own personal opinion, where does it say that assault weapons are not allowed. Remember, the point of the constitutuion is that you get it unless they specifically banned it."

So I pointed out the absurdity of this argument by mentioning things no sane person would think should be legal. Then I found out some of the people on this board think all weapons should be legal. Right.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

I have a suggestion: how about Canada return all American A.W.O.L. then we talk about guns crossing the border.

No, if they want to stay they can.

 

[Hobbit]

No, if they want to stay they can.

Then if our guys want to have guns, they can. If you want us to enforce your laws, you'd better start by enforcing ours.

 

[Bullypulpit]

No. Liberals are the enemy. They hate america and the freedoms it stands for.

Yah...and the tooth fairy and Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real. You want to see the real enemy, go look in the mirror.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Did you know that John Kerry is not allowed to partake of communion in the Catholic church? Not all people who claim a religion are religious, some just use it as a tool.

Yeah, just like your hero, Dubbyuh...A hypocrite in Christian garb. As for banning communion for John Kerry, that was then Cardinal Ratzinger's, now Pope Benedict's, unwarranted meddling in US politics which, by the way, is forbidden by cannon law.

 

[Bullypulpit]

BTW, shouldn't this thread be moved to the humor column? I posted a similar list with regard to Republicans, and it was moved by a rather imperious moderator to the humor section of the board. In fact, here it is again.

<blockquote><center>25 Rules for being a Good Republican</center>

1) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are
millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an illness and
needs our prayers for your recovery.

2) You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success
all on their own.

3) You have to believe that the US should get out of the UN, and that our
highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq.

4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives
but it needs to punish anyone caught having private sex with the wrong
gender.

5) You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.

6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to
Allah or Buddha.

7) "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their
jobs to India.

8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about
her own body, but that large multi-national corporations can make decisions
affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever.

9) You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, and that
Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.

10) You hate the ALCU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it
to the country to bail out Oliver North.



11) You have to believe that the best way to encourage military morale is
to praise the troops overseas while cutting their VA benefits.

12) You believe that group sex and drug use are degenerate sins that can
only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican.

13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because
we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

14) You have to believe that the best way to fight terrorism is to
alienate our allies and then demand their cooperation and money.

15) You have to believe that government medicine is wrong and that HMO's
and insurance companies only have your best interests at heart.



16) You have to believe that providing health care to all Iraqis is sound
government policy but providing health care to all Americans is socialism
personified.

17) You believe that tobacco's link to cancer and global warming are "junk
science", but Creationism should be taught in schools.

18) You have to believe that waging war with no exit strategy was wrong in
Vietnam but right in Iraq.

19) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him,
a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when
Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a
we-can't-find-Bin-Laden diversion.

20) You believe that government should restrict itself to just the powers
named in the Constitution, which includes banning gay marriages and
censoring the internet.



21) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about the
adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans are a private
matter.

22) You have to believe that the public has a right to know about
Hillary's cattle trades but that Bush was right to censor those 28 pages
from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth.

23) You support state rights, which means Ashcroft telling states what
locally passed voter initiatives he will allow them to have.

24) You have to believe that what Clinton did in the 1960's is of vital
national interest but what Bush did decades later is stale news and
irrelevant.

25) You have to believe that trade with Cuba is wrong because it is
communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is just dandy.</blockquote>

 

[Bullypulpit]

BBM, the reason that the second amendment exists is to ensure that no one can overthrow the people of the usa. Governments come and go, but the people will not be subjugated. I hope you get that.

As to interpreting the second amendment. Other than your own personal opinion, where does it say that assault weapons are not allowed. Remember, the point of the constitutuion is that you get it unless they specifically banned it.

"Arms" doesn't mean only firearms. It means that I can own real, functional swords, pikes, spikes, clubs, flails, maces, throwing stars, full auto weapons, claymores etc. Arms means weapons.

You call for more regulation. I submit that the same crooks that ignore our laws will ignore the regulations.

Remember this: It is better for a law abiding citizen to choose the weapons he (or she) will (or won't) keep in the house. Criminals will always choose to arm themselves no matter the law, that's why we call em criminals.

Nice premise, but this administration has already "overthrown the people" and uses the Constitution for toilet paper.