Time to indict Holder as accessory to Brian Terry's Murder

[RetiredGySgt]

Republicans sent thousands of Americans to their deaths in Iraq.

They scream "Let him die".

Then they are "outraged" over a death Obama and his administration had nothing to do with?

Scumbags.

Democrats not only SUPPORTED Bush on the Iraq war they controlled the Senate when the vote was taken. If they had actually opposed the war or not been involved there would have been no WAR. No authority to use force would have been voted on at all if the dems had simply refused to bring it to the floor of the Senate.

Shall I link again to the time line for the vote and who controlled what at the time?

Further every year after the dems voted to PAY for the war. EVERY Year. Again the Republicans had no filibuster proof control of the Senate and still the Dems voted for the war in sufficient numbers to authorize it and pay for it. They never once filibustered it. NOT once.

And starting in 2006 they controlled both houses of Congress until 2011. It is an abject LIE to claim only the Republicans took us and kept us at war in Iraq. Even Obama supported the war as President.

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

But guess what? The decision to invade and occupy Iraq was Bush's and Bush's alone. And even though hidsight is 20/20 we know that it was the WRONG decision. Our military men and women died for NO GOOD REASON.

The two questions that have never been answered are: 1) What exactly did we win? 2) Was it worth the cost in American lives? (Feel free to answer them if you like.)

Obama continued Bush's war because he really had no choice. To quit in the middle of it would have been far worse than continuing the effort. Even YOU would have to agree with that.

Obama PROMISED to end it as SOON as he was President. Did he lie? As for what we gained? The opportunity to kill terrorists in open battle rather then watching them blow planes up or fly them into buildings. We lost less troops in the entire war then we lose in a couple years due to accidents. We found out who are real allies are as well.

BUT the point is Rdean and truthmatters claim that the Republicans alone took us to war, a bald faced lie. The Senate was Democratic controlled THEY had to agree or there would have been no war. They could have shut the war down any time they wanted.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

Simply NOT true. Congress held 3 SEPARATE Investigations and determined that Bush neither mislead or lied to Congress. In fact you fucking dumb ass Congress has access to the exact same information as the President. Further if we are to take you at your word Clinton and his entire admin lied to the American people if Bush did.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

It cost HRC my vote in 2008. Nonetheless, I am inclined to forgive member of congress whose only crime was believing a president that was lying through his teeth.

3 congressional Investigations absolutely disagree, all 3 found no evidence Bush mislead ot lied to anyone. Further if you knew how the Government works you would realize that Congress has access to the exact same intel as the President and has more weight getting since they control the purse strings.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

It cost HRC my vote in 2008. Nonetheless, I am inclined to forgive member of congress whose only crime was believing a president that was lying through his teeth.

3 congressional Investigations absolutely disagree, all 3 found no evidence Bush mislead ot lied to anyone.

Yeah.....he was just a little confused......

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc]WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It cost HRC my vote in 2008. Nonetheless, I am inclined to forgive member of congress whose only crime was believing a president that was lying through his teeth.

3 congressional Investigations absolutely disagree, all 3 found no evidence Bush mislead ot lied to anyone.

Yeah.....he was just a little confused......

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc]WMD LIES - Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc. - THE ULTIMATE CLIP - YouTube[/ame]

Once again no evidence and if he lied so did Clinton and a host of democrats, including Reid.

 

[paulitician]

I've been saying this for a long time. So many innocent people have been brutally murdered by Holder's weapons. And many more will be murdered in the future as well. Brian Terry and his family have not received justice. Holder is a criminal. He should be wearing an orange jumpsuit.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

Not only did Bush know it was wrong, but so did Clinton, even though he said exactly the same thing. As a matter of fact, Bush managed to convince multiple governments around the world, and the UN inspectors, to go along with his lie.

The part I don't get, if Bus was so smart he managed to put together such a massive lie, why isn't he king now?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

you people are going to continue to spread this lie, aren't you?
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One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Ok Stephanie.....Now that you have hindsight WAS it "warranted and legal" then? Just a simple yes or no will suffice.

Again..................

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

But guess what? The decision to invade and occupy Iraq was Bush's and Bush's alone. And even though hidsight is 20/20 we know that it was the WRONG decision. Our military men and women died for NO GOOD REASON.

The two questions that have never been answered are: 1) What exactly did we win? 2) Was it worth the cost in American lives? (Feel free to answer them if you like.)

Obama continued Bush's war because he really had no choice. To quit in the middle of it would have been far worse than continuing the effort. Even YOU would have to agree with that.

Simple answer, no.

Simple explanation, only Congress has the authority to authorize the type of military movement that we used in Iraq, therefore they are responsible for what happened. Bush could have chosen not to use it, which makes him share in responsiblity, but in no way, shape, or form, is he solely responsible.

Is that too complicated for you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Yes, Congress voted to give Bush authority to deal with it.

Congress made that decision based on information the Bush Administration knew to be wrong at the time: there were no WMD, no nuclear program, and the NFZ was working flawlessly, protecting the Iraqi people and Saddam’s neighbors.

Given the fact the Iraq invasion was based on known false information by the Bush Administration, the Iraq war was unwarranted and illegal.

It cost HRC my vote in 2008. Nonetheless, I am inclined to forgive member of congress whose only crime was believing a president that was lying through his teeth.

Which president was that? Clinton? Bush I? Perhaps it was the Prime Minister of England, except that is not a president. MAybe it was the Kurds who made it look like Sadam used WMDs to kill them. Who, exactly, was lying through their teeth?