Time to get health care right once and for all

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    You keep talking about a "middle class" and I've rejected that concept because we don't have classes in America. Our system provides freedom to be in any class. You realize this, you admit it's true, then go right back to arguing about this mythical class of people that do not exist.

    As I stated, middle income families have been upwardly mobile since 1967. They are becoming upper income families. Lower income families are slightly less than in 1967. Many of them have become middle income families. You say this is "a stretch" but it's not. Census Bureau data proves it's not:
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    All the glorious socialist things you're mentioning on behalf of FDR and Democrats have pushed us into a $20 trillion national debt with over $200 trillion in unfunded liability. In a few more years, our interest payments on the debt will be greater than the entire cost of our military. This is unsustainable.

    Socialist policies are a FAILURE! They've always been a failure! They don't elevate anyone into the so-called "middle class"... they relegate everyone they touch into a dependent class and stick us with a bill we can't pay and our grandchildren will be having to deal with. FDR's first term policies were so bad he almost lost re-election. He continued the Keynesian policies Hoover started and they didn't work. That turned what would have been a normal recession like we had about every 30 years into a Great Depression.

    Even Social Security, the hallmark program of FDR, is about to go tits up. Bankrupt! It cannot be sustained. If you had allowed a person back in 1950, who started paying into SS, to invest a portion of their salary into the stock market, they would be multi-millionaires now. Instead, they are left with literally nothing to show for a lifetime of contribution in a ponzi scheme that didn't work.
     
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    You're citing an individual who made his entire fortune as a Socialist oligarch of the ruling class. He did not accomplish his fortune as a free market capitalist.
     
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    What is single payer, if not corporate?
     
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    "Single payer" is Democrat-speak for "government-paid."
     
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    I get that much. But, regardless of who runs it, I don't get how forcing us into one pen makes it any better.
     
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    I agree, government does have the responsibility to protect the free market. In regard to insurance without government regulation, the industry would hardly exist. Who would be so foolish as to buy insurance, that may or may not payoff when needed.

    Unlike other products you can not determine the quality of the product you are buying because you have no way of knowing when or if it will ever be needed.
     
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    It's really quite simple to understand. If any private sector company is selling a worthless product, the consumer is going to complain. They'll be on TV and reporters will write columns and articles. Lawsuits will be pursued... congressmen will be written.... state attorney generals will be contacted. You're going to know that XYZ Company is screwing it's customers.

    So I don't get this "you have no way of knowing" business. I understand you're trying to make an argument, you're just not making a very believable one. A free market is when people and businesses are transacting commerce voluntarily with price determined by supply and demand. Whenever someone is getting screwed over or cheated, that's NOT a free market. Whenever exploitation is taking place, that's NOT a free market. And when a business is protected from it's competition or prices are set by the government, that's NOT free market.
     
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    AND ALL THOSE BAD THINGS HAPPENED and people did complain and Congressmen were written and called by their constituents,

    and this is why we have the regulations we have today! ;)
     
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    It's why we have SOME regulations to protect free market capitalism. Other regulations are the result of insurance lobbyists buying political influence to get regulations passed on their competitors while they get favoritism. Even more regulations are the result of government attempting to manipulate the markets.

    Remember, my argument is for the SYSTEM of free markets. Not just free market capitalism alone. Part of the system is the Constitution and part of that allows government regulations to ensure public safety, to protect against exploitation, to guard against fraud, etc. What is not supposed to be allowed is government collusion with business and government regulation which works to undermine the free market.
     
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    It undermines free society.
     

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