Time to Eliminate the Income Tax!

[MIPS]

Its time to eliminate that income tax completely. Its nothing but an communist tax to begin with and eliminating it would be the best way to strike at their idealogy.

Agreed, unfortunately it's likely going to take a great deal of effort and time (not to mention a re-awakening of the American Spirit of true liberalism) to undo all the damage that American Progressives have done to our Republic over the last century, including abolishing the income tax and repealing Amendment XVI. Before we can even think of doing that federal spending has to be brought under control which necessitates such things as rolling back the empire, ending the Federal Reserve System, eliminating subsidies and entitlements for the rich and the middle class, eliminating corporate welfare, abolishing many of the departments of the executive branch, etc.., etc..,

Until we have a Federal Government that exists solely within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution the statists will always have an argument that we "need" income taxes to finance the beast that is out of control and it's likely that the majority of the electorate will fall for that rubbish.

 

[ihopehefails]

Eliminate taxes? I think Reagan did quite a good job there but soon realized it was failing. Since then it has become the mantra of the republican party. And let's face it the Bible was right when it comes to money. Anyway as our infrastructure falls down, this idea is still preached from the pulpits of idiocy. But then who will pay for our security?

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"... legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to James Madison 1785

"What improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconveniency to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." Adam Smith 'The Wealth of Nations,' Book I Chapter VIII

"I. The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities..." Adam Smith

Its nice to see that you whipped out with Adam Smith. Perhaps you want to quote the rest of the book as well like the parts that talk about why free enterprise was better. We can always mention those but don't and quite frankly you little quote was taken out of context. I bet if we see the entire context that it was written we will see that he was talking about how free enterprise creates more wealth for the whole than unfree enterprise.

Its really dishonest what you are doing and you should be ashamed of yourself.

BTW, he also said that the American colonies should pay the british colonies. Do you support rejoining with the Britian as well?

Taxes should be paid but they should be minimal and the amount paid should be equal to what everyone else pays not this you pay more because you have more.

 

[ihopehefails]

Its time to eliminate that income tax completely. Its nothing but an communist tax to begin with and eliminating it would be the best way to strike at their idealogy.

Agreed, unfortunately it's likely going to take a great deal of effort and time (not to mention a re-awakening of the American Spirit of true liberalism) to undo all the damage that American Progressives have done to our Republic over the last century, including abolishing the income tax and repealing Amendment XVI. Before we can even think of doing that federal spending has to be brought under control which necessitates such things as rolling back the empire, ending the Federal Reserve System, eliminating subsidies and entitlements for the rich and the middle class, eliminating corporate welfare, abolishing many of the departments of the executive branch, etc.., etc..,

Until we have a Federal Government that exists solely within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution the statists will always have an argument that we "need" income taxes to finance the beast that is out of control and it's likely that the majority of the electorate will fall for that rubbish.

I think there is enough arguments we can use to convince people why this is a bad thing. I think a good argument is the fact that income taxes are used as a weapon against the people. For example: People who piss off the IRS are audited more frequently and there are cases where that happens. It is sometimes used as a weapon against political opponents and people that the government doesn't like.

Another thing is that the tax code itself is rigged to create hoops for us to jump through. These hoops are tax deductions that we get if we do the government's bidding. They create a to-do list of things they want Americans to do and then give us deductions as reward for doing them.

Its the reason why everytime they want people to do something they create a tax deduction for it.

 

[ihopehefails]

Its time to eliminate that income tax completely. Its nothing but an communist tax to begin with and eliminating it would be the best way to strike at their idealogy.

You will have to eliminate the XVI amendment for that to happen. Get crackin'!

Not necessarily. The 16th Amendment gives the federal government the authority to levy an income tax, it doesn't say that they have to do so. They could stop the income tax if they wanted to. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it could technically happen.

Another way is to get the house representatives to defund the IRS in the next budget.

 

[beowolfe]

Its time to eliminate that income tax completely. Its nothing but an communist tax to begin with and eliminating it would be the best way to strike at their idealogy.

'an communist'?

'idealogy'?

The poster you responded to is an indication, IMO, of what's wrong with America today. People who don't know spit, are trying to determine where we go. We can't allow that.

 

[Mr Natural]

In a truly free society, taxes of any kind would be 100% voluntary.

 

[beowolfe]

Its time to eliminate that income tax completely. Its nothing but an communist tax to begin with and eliminating it would be the best way to strike at their idealogy.

Agreed, unfortunately it's likely going to take a great deal of effort and time (not to mention a re-awakening of the American Spirit of true liberalism) to undo all the damage that American Progressives have done to our Republic over the last century, including abolishing the income tax and repealing Amendment XVI. Before we can even think of doing that federal spending has to be brought under control which necessitates such things as rolling back the empire, ending the Federal Reserve System, eliminating subsidies and entitlements for the rich and the middle class, eliminating corporate welfare, abolishing many of the departments of the executive branch, etc.., etc..,

Until we have a Federal Government that exists solely within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution the statists will always have an argument that we "need" income taxes to finance the beast that is out of control and it's likely that the majority of the electorate will fall for that rubbish.

I think there is enough arguments we can use to convince people why this is a bad thing. I think a good argument is the fact that income taxes are used as a weapon against the people. For example: People who piss off the IRS are audited more frequently and there are cases where that happens. It is sometimes used as a weapon against political opponents and people that the government doesn't like.

Another thing is that the tax code itself is rigged to create hoops for us to jump through. These hoops are tax deductions that we get if we do the government's bidding. They create a to-do list of things they want Americans to do and then give us deductions as reward for doing them.

Its the reason why everytime they want people to do something they create a tax deduction for it.

That's the most uninformed opinion I've yet to read.

 

[MIPS]

Agreed, unfortunately it's likely going to take a great deal of effort and time (not to mention a re-awakening of the American Spirit of true liberalism) to undo all the damage that American Progressives have done to our Republic over the last century, including abolishing the income tax and repealing Amendment XVI. Before we can even think of doing that federal spending has to be brought under control which necessitates such things as rolling back the empire, ending the Federal Reserve System, eliminating subsidies and entitlements for the rich and the middle class, eliminating corporate welfare, abolishing many of the departments of the executive branch, etc.., etc..,

Until we have a Federal Government that exists solely within the bounds of the U.S. Constitution the statists will always have an argument that we "need" income taxes to finance the beast that is out of control and it's likely that the majority of the electorate will fall for that rubbish.

I think there is enough arguments we can use to convince people why this is a bad thing. I think a good argument is the fact that income taxes are used as a weapon against the people. For example: People who piss off the IRS are audited more frequently and there are cases where that happens. It is sometimes used as a weapon against political opponents and people that the government doesn't like.

Another thing is that the tax code itself is rigged to create hoops for us to jump through. These hoops are tax deductions that we get if we do the government's bidding. They create a to-do list of things they want Americans to do and then give us deductions as reward for doing them.

Its the reason why everytime they want people to do something they create a tax deduction for it.

That's the most uninformed opinion I've yet to read.

Care to elaborate as to your justification(s) for that assertion or do you actually believe that anybody with a modicum of common sense is just going to "take your word for it"?

 

[ihopehefails]

In a truly free society, taxes of any kind would be 100% voluntary.

That is why the best tax is a sales tax because if you don't want to pay it you simply stop consuming as much as you did before. You do not have this option with other taxes.

 

[MIPS]

In a truly free society, taxes of any kind would be 100% voluntary.

That is why the best tax is a sales tax because if you don't want to pay it you simply stop consuming as much as you did before. You do not have this option with other taxes.

You already pay Federal Sales (Consumption) Taxes , for example corporate income taxes, those come out of the hides (in part) of consumers, not to mention all the other forms of consumption taxes that the federal government exacts on consumers (excise taxes, usage fees, energy taxes, duties, etc..,).

Unfortunately when you give the Federal Government the power to levy direct taxes they have proven that they cannot stop themselves from going overboard. That being said I do agree that a consumption taxation based model is superior to a production based taxation model but only when government is not allowed to "hide" said taxes (for example hiding it in a VAT).

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I like the idea of the "Fair tax". It just hasn't gained any traction.

I never got around to reading the propaganda. What, exactly, is the 'fair tax'?