Time to Call Obama and Kerry What They Are Traitors

[idb]

The leverage is still there - it's the threat of future sanctions and the backing of the other negotiating partners.
Iran is the only side that gave anything away.

What leverage?
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable".
Sanctions against Iran unacceptable Russia China other SCO nations RT News
They are rushing all over themselves to do business with Iran and further sanctions from them are nearly impossible to imagine.

The Batman and Robin of ineffectual diplomacy (Obama and Kerry) have already committed us to a deal that removes all leverage and taken it to the UN
in an attempt to undercut and unduly influence Congress.
It's impossible to see what Iran has "given away" since they get all they wanted and more. All they have to do is wait. The deal is a bullshit sham and as such Obama would be right in considering it one of his shining accomplishments as president.

So, what you're saying is that the sanctions were going to go away anyway?

Nope! Not at all. It was not an inevitability even though Russia and China are always pulling against the West.
Obama and Kerry certainly made it in their interests, however, to end sanctions.
That's all on them.

So, you've made no point at all.
You quoted "
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable"."
But, now you say that sanctions would likely stay.

Those comments were made two years ago and as far as I know sanctions never stopped after the declaration of non support for sanctions.

But, then, if as you say China and Russia are OK with sanctions (despite your own link), why do you doubt that the threat of sanctions can't work?
You're all over the shop.

I don't doubt it but sanctions can't have the rug pulled out from under it's own feet by the Obama regime and possibly be effective. Short of war or bombing suspected Iranian enrichment sites Obama negotiated away the only leverage we ever had on Iran. And even at that, Iran has slowly and secretly been trying to get their bomb.

Kerry admits that after this 8-10 year period of negotiated waiting we have no assurances Iran won't have it's bomb anyway. And meanwhile we've freed up billions of dollars for the Mullahs and ended arms and missile sanctions in the process. Assuming you don't want Iran to have a nuclear bomb Obama has negotiated a deal only a fool could love.

8-10 years breathing space seems pretty damn good to me!

The Obama regime hasn't pulled the rug out from the sanctions regime at all...it was likely to be broken anyway.
This way, they have kept the Russians and Chinese on board and maintained the threat of sanctions.
Remember that there were more countries than the US and Iran involved in this deal.

If the US still wants to bomb them then I suppose they still can...Hooray, nothing has changed in that respect.

Another Middle Eastern country was subjected to crippling sanctions by the West in recent times as I recall.
That didn't work out too well.

 

[Vigilante]

I believe Iran and Saudi Arabia, not John Kerry

American Thinker ^ | 07/29/2015 | Ethel C. Fenig
While Secretary of State John Kerry was busy blaming Israel for questioning the Iran deal thus potentially destroying his chances of winning the Nobel Peace Prize he feels he so richly deserves, Iran was busy confirming why Kerry deserves the Nobel Sucker Prize or the Nobel Prize for Endangering the World By Nuclear Iran. Speaking publicly at a think tank, Kerry cleverly shifted the failure of his deadly crowning achievement to the tried and true usual victims -- the Israelis, the Jews. [SNIP] Saudi Arabia's King Salman backs Israel over Iran nuclear deal concerns King Salman of Saudi Arabia voiced...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

WASHINGTON -- Iran will receive approximately $55 billion in sanctions relief once the nuclear deal is implemented, said Treasury Secretary Jack Lew -- a fraction of the $150 billion that critics of the agreement have claimed will go to the country.

“There is a lot of discussion out there that Iran is going to somehow get $150 billion as soon as sanctions are lifted. That is incorrect,” said Lew, speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. He explained that Iran will not be able to access much of its money that has been locked up overseas due to sanctions because the money has already been committed elsewhere.

Last week, Lew told a group of senators that over $20 billion of Iran’s frozen assets has already been committed to infrastructure projects with China, and that Iran owes an additional "tens of billions" of dollars on nonperforming loans to its energy and banking sectors.

Treasury No Iran Is Not Getting 150 Billion From The Nuclear Deal

Considering that the Obama regime has already given Iran nearly $12 billion dollars in frozen funds just to sit down and negotiate with them (another absurd aspect of this horrible deal) I will listen to the Congressional Research Service, that says this deal would enrich Iran by at least $100 billion dollars (and possibly as much as $150 billion) over the claims of Obama's lackey from the Treasury as this administration has repeatedly over the last six years proven they cannot be trusted at all.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yes, he agreed to 24 days BEFORE inspecting a site, and then only with permission! How stupid you are!

Moniz further said that it's important to distinguish between Iran's declared nuclear sites, "where we know they have nuclear activity, where we have daily access or more precisely, the international inspectors have daily access," as compared to "undeclared sites where our or other intelligence agencies point us to suspicious activity."

In the case of the undeclared sites, Moniz said, the agreement establishes "for the first time a finite time period for Iran, or any other country for that matter, to respond to the allegations, provide the access, or be in material breach."

The 24-day period breaks down by allowing a 14-day period for the IAEA to determine if an inspection is needed, seven days for the P5+1 countries to rule for access, and a three-day period for Iran to provide that access, said Moniz.

"Those are all maximums," he added. "It's a new tool, and one that we feel very confident of in terms of detecting nuclear materials."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Iran Deal s Moniz 24-Day Wait Won t Hinder Nuclear Inspectors

 

[idb]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

WASHINGTON -- Iran will receive approximately $55 billion in sanctions relief once the nuclear deal is implemented, said Treasury Secretary Jack Lew -- a fraction of the $150 billion that critics of the agreement have claimed will go to the country.

“There is a lot of discussion out there that Iran is going to somehow get $150 billion as soon as sanctions are lifted. That is incorrect,” said Lew, speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. He explained that Iran will not be able to access much of its money that has been locked up overseas due to sanctions because the money has already been committed elsewhere.

Last week, Lew told a group of senators that over $20 billion of Iran’s frozen assets has already been committed to infrastructure projects with China, and that Iran owes an additional "tens of billions" of dollars on nonperforming loans to its energy and banking sectors.

Treasury No Iran Is Not Getting 150 Billion From The Nuclear Deal

Considering that the Obama regime has already given Iran nearly $12 billion dollars in frozen funds just to sit down and negotiate with them (another absurd aspect of this horrible deal) I will listen to the Congressional Research Service, that says this deal would enrich Iran by at least $100 billion dollars (and possibly as much as $150 billion) over the claims of Obama's lackey from the Treasury as this administration has repeatedly over the last six years proven they cannot be trusted at all.

Well, I guess you'll believe who you want to believe then.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

What leverage?
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable".
Sanctions against Iran unacceptable Russia China other SCO nations RT News
They are rushing all over themselves to do business with Iran and further sanctions from them are nearly impossible to imagine.

The Batman and Robin of ineffectual diplomacy (Obama and Kerry) have already committed us to a deal that removes all leverage and taken it to the UN
in an attempt to undercut and unduly influence Congress.
It's impossible to see what Iran has "given away" since they get all they wanted and more. All they have to do is wait. The deal is a bullshit sham and as such Obama would be right in considering it one of his shining accomplishments as president.

So, what you're saying is that the sanctions were going to go away anyway?

Nope! Not at all. It was not an inevitability even though Russia and China are always pulling against the West.
Obama and Kerry certainly made it in their interests, however, to end sanctions.
That's all on them.

So, you've made no point at all.
You quoted "
Russia, China and other Shanghai Cooperation Organization nations
have already stated sanctions against Iran are "unacceptable"."
But, now you say that sanctions would likely stay.

Those comments were made two years ago and as far as I know sanctions never stopped after the declaration of non support for sanctions.

But, then, if as you say China and Russia are OK with sanctions (despite your own link), why do you doubt that the threat of sanctions can't work?
You're all over the shop.

I don't doubt it but sanctions can't have the rug pulled out from under it's own feet by the Obama regime and possibly be effective. Short of war or bombing suspected Iranian enrichment sites Obama negotiated away the only leverage we ever had on Iran. And even at that, Iran has slowly and secretly been trying to get their bomb.

Kerry admits that after this 8-10 year period of negotiated waiting we have no assurances Iran won't have it's bomb anyway. And meanwhile we've freed up billions of dollars for the Mullahs and ended arms and missile sanctions in the process. Assuming you don't want Iran to have a nuclear bomb Obama has negotiated a deal only a fool could love.

8-10 years breathing space seems pretty damn good to me!

So you don't mind that the Obama deal will guarantee Iran it's bomb as long as it happens in a decade's time? That seems pathologically sick to me.

The Obama regime hasn't pulled the rug out from the sanctions regime at all...it was likely to be broken anyway.
This way, they have kept the Russians and Chinese on board and maintained the threat of sanctions.
Remember that there were more countries than the US and Iran involved in this deal.

It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy to say sanctions would never last when the US led and dominated negotiating team was eager and happy to give Iran just about anything they asked for to sew up this hollow deal.

If the US still wants to bomb them then I suppose they still can...Hooray, nothing has changed in that respect.

What's changed is the necessity to bomb, given this deal assures Iran it's bomb in time.

Another Middle Eastern country was subjected to crippling sanctions by the West in recent times as I recall.
That didn't work out too well.

Sanctions are an alternative to war that makes certain policies very painful to carry out. They aren't a guarantee of compliance. But now that Obama has removed them the point is moot and what Kerry and Obama claim to want most to avoid (a nuclear armed Iran) is now
a virtual reality thanks to their feckless diplomacy.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So now we have them with $150 BILLION more than they had, 4 American hostages and the people chant....

Oh, I see your confusion.
You believe the lie that Iran is to get $150 billion.

Of course not!....LOLOL

• Obama Admin Fears Iran Deal Will Release Billions for ...
  The Daily Beast/articles/2015/...iran...billions-for-terror.html
  Jul 08, 2015 · A nuclear agreement with Iran could give Tehran a $100 billion ... the Iranian regime gets as much as $150 billion ... that Iran will get a ...

• Kerry: Trust Me, Iran Can’t Use Unfrozen $150 Billion For ...
  townhall.com › Tipsheet › Matt Vespa
  Now, as for the unfrozen $150 billion that will go to Iran, ... UN resolutions and arms negotiations fared poorly. The North Koreans did get the bomb.

WASHINGTON -- Iran will receive approximately $55 billion in sanctions relief once the nuclear deal is implemented, said Treasury Secretary Jack Lew -- a fraction of the $150 billion that critics of the agreement have claimed will go to the country.

“There is a lot of discussion out there that Iran is going to somehow get $150 billion as soon as sanctions are lifted. That is incorrect,” said Lew, speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. He explained that Iran will not be able to access much of its money that has been locked up overseas due to sanctions because the money has already been committed elsewhere.

Last week, Lew told a group of senators that over $20 billion of Iran’s frozen assets has already been committed to infrastructure projects with China, and that Iran owes an additional "tens of billions" of dollars on nonperforming loans to its energy and banking sectors.

Treasury No Iran Is Not Getting 150 Billion From The Nuclear Deal

Considering that the Obama regime has already given Iran nearly $12 billion dollars in frozen funds just to sit down and negotiate with them (another absurd aspect of this horrible deal) I will listen to the Congressional Research Service, that says this deal would enrich Iran by at least $100 billion dollars (and possibly as much as $150 billion) over the claims of Obama's lackey from the Treasury as this administration has repeatedly over the last six years proven they cannot be trusted at all.

Well, I guess you'll believe who you want to believe then.

Yes, indeed. I believe the people who don't have a political stake in the outcome of their information to be the most reliable.

 

[Vigilante]

Yes, he agreed to 24 days BEFORE inspecting a site, and then only with permission! How stupid you are!

Moniz further said that it's important to distinguish between Iran's declared nuclear sites, "where we know they have nuclear activity, where we have daily access or more precisely, the international inspectors have daily access," as compared to "undeclared sites where our or other intelligence agencies point us to suspicious activity."

In the case of the undeclared sites, Moniz said, the agreement establishes "for the first time a finite time period for Iran, or any other country for that matter, to respond to the allegations, provide the access, or be in material breach."

The 24-day period breaks down by allowing a 14-day period for the IAEA to determine if an inspection is needed, seven days for the P5+1 countries to rule for access, and a three-day period for Iran to provide that access, said Moniz.

"Those are all maximums," he added. "It's a new tool, and one that we feel very confident of in terms of detecting nuclear materials."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Iran Deal s Moniz 24-Day Wait Won t Hinder Nuclear Inspectors

Bullshit! Since when do you give these rogue regimes 24 days, and then they have to give permission? He LIES! Anyone with a 3 digit IQ would know this, sorry to see you don't!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Alex 11945798

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

What leverage did we have on Russia and China to remain with sanctions indefinitely?. You are woefully misinformed. China and Russia agreed to the additional UNSC Sanctions that were imposed in 2010 but they were not obligated as passed to enforce them. The 2010 Resolution merely gave all member states justification for imposing sanctions if they decided to do so. The Obama Administration has kept Russia and China on board for five years resulting in the diplomatic breakthrough finally reached. There was no leverage on Russia and China. They decided on their own to enforce tougher economic sanctions this entire time. They could have bailed in May 2010 or never started enforcing them.

 

[idb]

Alex 11945798

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

What leverage did we have on Russia and China to remain with sanctions indefinitely?. You are woefully misinformed. China and Russia agreed to the additional UNSC Sanctions that were imposed in 2010 but they were not obligated as passed to enforce them. The 2010 Resolution merely gave all member states justification for imposing sanctions if they decided to do so. The Obama Administration has kept Russia and China on board for five years resulting in the diplomatic breakthrough finally reached. There was no leverage on Russia and China. They decided on their own to enforce tougher economic sanctions this entire time. They could have bailed in May 2010 or never started enforcing them.

And the best thing is...there is nothing in the agreement to stop President Bush from carrying on the family tradition of bombing the Middle East.

 

[Bfgrn]

Yes, he agreed to 24 days BEFORE inspecting a site, and then only with permission! How stupid you are!

Moniz further said that it's important to distinguish between Iran's declared nuclear sites, "where we know they have nuclear activity, where we have daily access or more precisely, the international inspectors have daily access," as compared to "undeclared sites where our or other intelligence agencies point us to suspicious activity."

In the case of the undeclared sites, Moniz said, the agreement establishes "for the first time a finite time period for Iran, or any other country for that matter, to respond to the allegations, provide the access, or be in material breach."

The 24-day period breaks down by allowing a 14-day period for the IAEA to determine if an inspection is needed, seven days for the P5+1 countries to rule for access, and a three-day period for Iran to provide that access, said Moniz.

"Those are all maximums," he added. "It's a new tool, and one that we feel very confident of in terms of detecting nuclear materials."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Iran Deal s Moniz 24-Day Wait Won t Hinder Nuclear Inspectors

Bullshit! Since when do you give these rogue regimes 24 days, and then they have to give permission? He LIES! Anyone with a 3 digit IQ would know this, sorry to see you don't!

Whatever you say....you are baaaaaaaaaaad

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Alex 11945798

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

What leverage did we have on Russia and China to remain with sanctions indefinitely?. You are woefully misinformed. China and Russia agreed to the additional UNSC Sanctions that were imposed in 2010 but they were not obligated as passed to enforce them. The 2010 Resolution merely gave all member states justification for imposing sanctions if they decided to do so. The Obama Administration has kept Russia and China on board for five years resulting in the diplomatic breakthrough finally reached. There was no leverage on Russia and China. They decided on their own to enforce tougher economic sanctions this entire time. They could have bailed in May 2010 or never started enforcing them.

And the best thing is...there is nothing in the agreement to stop President Bush from carrying on the family tradition of bombing the Middle East.

There will hopefully be no President Bush but we've been put in a corner by this deal and the Saudis, Turks and others now will feel compelled to keep up with Iran. This agreement, far from ending nuclear ambitions in the region, is only stoking them even higher.

 

[idb]

Alex 11945798

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

What leverage did we have on Russia and China to remain with sanctions indefinitely?. You are woefully misinformed. China and Russia agreed to the additional UNSC Sanctions that were imposed in 2010 but they were not obligated as passed to enforce them. The 2010 Resolution merely gave all member states justification for imposing sanctions if they decided to do so. The Obama Administration has kept Russia and China on board for five years resulting in the diplomatic breakthrough finally reached. There was no leverage on Russia and China. They decided on their own to enforce tougher economic sanctions this entire time. They could have bailed in May 2010 or never started enforcing them.

And the best thing is...there is nothing in the agreement to stop President Bush from carrying on the family tradition of bombing the Middle East.

There will hopefully be no President Bush but we've been put in a corner by this deal and the Saudis, Turks and others now will feel compelled to keep up with Iran. This agreement, far from ending nuclear ambitions in the region, is only stoking them even higher.

There are already nukes in the area.
There's no apparent arms race.

Why would the Iranians build nuclear weapons when it's in their best interests not to?
Who knows what future concessions they could extract from the rest of the world just by casually swinging a centrifuge around.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Alex 11945798

I highly doubt that given that we have relinquished our leverage with Iran Russia and /or China would be willing to subornate themselves economically.

What leverage did we have on Russia and China to remain with sanctions indefinitely?. You are woefully misinformed. China and Russia agreed to the additional UNSC Sanctions that were imposed in 2010 but they were not obligated as passed to enforce them. The 2010 Resolution merely gave all member states justification for imposing sanctions if they decided to do so. The Obama Administration has kept Russia and China on board for five years resulting in the diplomatic breakthrough finally reached. There was no leverage on Russia and China. They decided on their own to enforce tougher economic sanctions this entire time. They could have bailed in May 2010 or never started enforcing them.

And the best thing is...there is nothing in the agreement to stop President Bush from carrying on the family tradition of bombing the Middle East.

There will hopefully be no President Bush but we've been put in a corner by this deal and the Saudis, Turks and others now will feel compelled to keep up with Iran. This agreement, far from ending nuclear ambitions in the region, is only stoking them even higher.

There are already nukes in the area.
There's no apparent arms race.

I disagree now that Iran is on their way and others have vowed to get their own weapons too.

Why would the Iranians build nuclear weapons when it's in their best interests not to?

They obviously have decided it isn't not in their best interests to get their own nuke. Based on the concessions they got from Obama
I'd say their decision is right.

Who knows what future concessions they could extract from the rest of the world just by casually swinging a centrifuge around.

Exactly.

 

[Vigilante]

Yes, he agreed to 24 days BEFORE inspecting a site, and then only with permission! How stupid you are!

Moniz further said that it's important to distinguish between Iran's declared nuclear sites, "where we know they have nuclear activity, where we have daily access or more precisely, the international inspectors have daily access," as compared to "undeclared sites where our or other intelligence agencies point us to suspicious activity."

In the case of the undeclared sites, Moniz said, the agreement establishes "for the first time a finite time period for Iran, or any other country for that matter, to respond to the allegations, provide the access, or be in material breach."

The 24-day period breaks down by allowing a 14-day period for the IAEA to determine if an inspection is needed, seven days for the P5+1 countries to rule for access, and a three-day period for Iran to provide that access, said Moniz.

"Those are all maximums," he added. "It's a new tool, and one that we feel very confident of in terms of detecting nuclear materials."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Iran Deal s Moniz 24-Day Wait Won t Hinder Nuclear Inspectors

Bullshit! Since when do you give these rogue regimes 24 days, and then they have to give permission? He LIES! Anyone with a 3 digit IQ would know this, sorry to see you don't!

Whatever you say....you are baaaaaaaaaaad

Here's Your guy.....

 

[Bfgrn]

Bullshit! Since when do you give these rogue regimes 24 days, and then they have to give permission? He LIES! Anyone with a 3 digit IQ would know this, sorry to see you don't!

How many days do you have to wait now pea brain? Talk about ZERO IQ...

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Obiwan 11838829 page 3

Flashback for the Libs that faked concern for our troops in Iraq...

Senior U.S. commanders say the three primary Iranian-backed militias, Kataib Hezbollah, the Promise Day Brigade, and Asaib al Haq, and their rockets were behind 12 of the deaths in June.

:Libs would have let the UN inspections keep going and kept our troops out of harm's way in Iraq from 2003 when Bush started it through 2011 when Bush promised to end the US troop presence there.

Did you know that those attacks you cited were related to the negotiations in 2011 to keep a US troop presence in Iraq beyond the deadline for all troops to be gone from Iraq by the end of 2011 which was set by Bush in December 2008?

Did you know that Muqtada al Sadr is an Iraqi anti-American Cleric who had a high level of political influence in Iraq's Parliament that kept Maliki in power during this period of Iraq's Bush's makeshift Iran friendly democracy experiment. Read the following report from the summer of 2011 to fully understand the context of the absolute mess that Bush43 started in 2003 that ended with this complicated Maliki/Sadr partnership and the dispute about keeping American troops in Iraq after Bush essentially promised to have them all withdrawn by the end of 2011.

Sadr had displayed an uncompromising posture toward the U.S. military presence in recent weeks. The Promised Day Brigade, which Sadr created in 2008 to fight against U.S. forces, had attacked U.S. bases and troop convoys in June.

The Brigade had issued a statement Jun. 28 claiming responsibility for 10 mortar and Katyusha rocket attacks against U.S. bases around the country and attacks on U.S. military convoys, saying that the attacks had “killed and wounded a number of U.S. soldiers”.

Attacks by Shi’a militias killed 15 U.S. troops in June – the highest monthly total of troops killed in combat since June 2008.

U.S. officials in Baghdad included the Promised Day Brigade among the three Shi’a militias they said had been funded and armed by Iran and had killed U.S. troops.

Last weekend, in a statement posted on his website, Sadr said nothing to disassociate himself from the Promised Day Brigade’s operations against U.S. forces or its claim of responsibility for killing U.S. troops. Instead, he announced the Brigade would have the “mission” of “resisting” U.S. troops if they are not all gone by Dec. 31 – the deadline for withdrawal under the agreement signed by George W. Bush in November 2008.

What Is Sadr s Game on Future U.S. Troop Presence Inter Press Service

Muqtada al Sadr led a militia that was strongly Iraqi nationalistic and distrustful of Iran's ambitions in Iraq. The main Shiite Iran-backed militia was the Badr Brigades made up of many Iraqi exiles that were born or grew up in Iraq and were trained and led by the Qud's forces and very much under the influence of Iraq. The Badr Brigades rolled into Baghdad from Iran with tanks and other military vehicles on the heels of the US invasion that reached and overthrew Baghdad.

The Tehran backed leader of the Badr Militia and its political organization held hands with Bush43 in the Oval Office.

President Bush Meets with His Eminence Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq

President George W. Bush welcomes Sayyed Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, to the White House Monday, Dec. 4, 2006. Said the President, "I appreciate so very much His Eminence's commitment to a unity government. I assured him the United States supports his work and the work of the Prime Minister to unify the country." White House photo by Eric Draper


Yes Bush and Hakim - the leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq holding hands.

So if you 'really cared for the troops' you would have protested like hell when Bush kicked UN inspectors out and started a war for absolutely no national security threat that existed at that time in March 2003.