Time to ban antidepressants?

[whitehall]

Congress needs to hold an investigation into the widespread use of behavior altering drugs prescribed to adolescent school kids sometimes without the consent of parents. The side effects of mild doses of mood altering drugs prescribed to adults who want to quit smoking include "thoughts of suicide". The effects of so-called mood altering drugs are unpredictable and more serious in adolescents. Could "thoughts of suicide" be translated into "thoughts of murder"? Indications are that the Columbine shooters were on mood altering drugs.

 

[saveliberty]

Antidepressants help a great number of people. Just as some are ready and willing to get rid of guns, some are ready to do the same with medicine. How do you justify one and not the other?

 

[Aristotle]

I've already dismantled EOTS' position on Anti-depressants.

School shootings according to the Center of Disease Control have stated in their reports that school shootings account for less than 2% of reported shootings in the United States. Most kids are killed outside of school. I think people with no education on psychiatric medicine use the media as a ruse to argue further that psych meds are the issue.

Psych meds are known to have helped people, and simply basing claims on one UK finding (mind you other research has contradict that finding) is not something we should base our opinions off of.

 

[saveliberty]

Problem is the federal govenment makes drug manufacturers report every adverse case involving a drug. Even if the drug itself may not be the cause or only a minor coontributor.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Antidepressants help a great number of people. Just as some are ready and willing to get rid of guns, some are ready to do the same with medicine. How do you justify one and not the other?

No people on certain meds cant have guns.

 

[saveliberty]

Antidepressants help a great number of people. Just as some are ready and willing to get rid of guns, some are ready to do the same with medicine. How do you justify one and not the other?

No people on certain meds cant have guns.

I don't think the meds should be the sole determining factor. Violent behavior needs to be present.

 

[skye]

I can't imagine anyone but psychiatrists banning those drugs .... I mean the Mayor of New York... does he have medical qualifications to start banning medicine too? Is he a Medical doctor?

Go ban sodas ...if you wish Mr Mayor.... but medications? this is just too much!

 

[Connery]

To blame an action violent or not solely on medication is a wrong approach IMO, should a person be diagnosed with a mental or emotional illness medications in many situations is only one means of dealing with the situation. Medication is conjunction with other therapeutic tools should be used.

Many times medication merely deals with the symptoms, it takes a great deal of work and effort to effectively manage a mental or emotional illness.

 

[skye]

yes..but why Nanny Bloomberg takes it upon himself to say who is mentally sick or not?

what a fuckward!

 

[eots]

Problem is the federal govenment makes drug manufacturers report every adverse case involving a drug. Even if the drug itself may not be the cause or only a minor coontributor.

that statement could not be any further from the truth

 

[eots]

I've already dismantled EOTS' position on Anti-depressants.

School shootings according to the Center of Disease Control have stated in their reports that school shootings account for less than 2% of reported shootings in the United States. Most kids are killed outside of school. I think people with no education on psychiatric medicine use the media as a ruse to argue further that psych meds are the issue.

Psych meds are known to have helped people, and simply basing claims on one UK finding (mind you other research has contradict that finding) is not something we should base our opinions off of.

you dismantled nothing..you provided not a single fact of any kind

 

[yidnar]

Many have asked, what is a common factor in most incidents of school violence? Of course, the current PC crowd is holding a witch hunt against firearms, although school violence is certainly not limited to their use alone. It does seem that, regardless of the tool employed to commit murder, mayhem, and suicide, the one common element would appear that almost every single perpetrator was using, or had recently been using, antidepressant drugs of some sort.

I'm just wondering whether that small fact will show up in the Biden committee's findings?

List of school shootings on antidepressants | Alternative

the problem with kids isn't antidepressants it's the parents doping up hyper kids with ritalin and other drugs instead of disciplining their children !! and people wonder why when kids get older they need antidepressants when these kids have been on drugs they didn't need through their childhood !!

 

[skye]

I've already dismantled EOTS' position on Anti-depressants.

School shootings according to the Center of Disease Control have stated in their reports that school shootings account for less than 2% of reported shootings in the United States. Most kids are killed outside of school. I think people with no education on psychiatric medicine use the media as a ruse to argue further that psych meds are the issue.

Psych meds are known to have helped people, and simply basing claims on one UK finding (mind you other research has contradict that finding) is not something we should base our opinions off of.

you dismantled nothing..you provided not a single fact of any kind

eots...with all respect people suffering from schizophrenia and terrible mental sicknesses like that need their medication.....who is a Mayor to say what should they take ...or not?

 

[eots]

February 20, 2012

Last night 60 Minutes presented the work of Irving Kirsch. Back in 2004 one of us (Jon) wrote, “It remains to be seen how the mainstream press explains this “dirty little secret” to the American public, but so far it has received little airtime.” It is refreshing that a show like 60 Minutes has covered this.

Overall the show was very good. However, for anyone who has read Kirsch’s work the idea that this is new information was a little surprising, as he first showed that there was a minimal difference between SSRIs and placebos approximately 14 years ago. The other slightly misleading part of the show was how they presented those who “disagreed” with him. At this point even within mainstream psychiatry this is virtually a non-existent debate, and it is now well acknowledged that the difference between placebo and antidepressant drug effect is minimal. If you listen closely to the scientists who 60 Minutes interviewed to get the other side even they didn’t really disagree with Kirsch’s main findings.


February 20, 2012

Last night 60 Minutes presented the work of Irving Kirsch. Back in 2004 one of us (Jon) wrote, “It remains to be seen how the mainstream press explains this “dirty little secret” to the American public, but so far it has received little airtime.” It is refreshing that a show like 60 Minutes has covered this.

Overall the show was very good. However, for anyone who has read Kirsch’s work the idea that this is new information was a little surprising, as he first showed that there was a minimal difference between SSRIs and placebos approximately 14 years ago. The other slightly misleading part of the show was how they presented those who “disagreed” with him. At this point even within mainstream psychiatry this is virtually a non-existent debate, and it is now well acknowledged that the difference between placebo and antidepressant drug effect is minimal. If you listen closely to the scientists who 60 Minutes interviewed to get the other side even they didn’t really disagree with Kirsch’s main findings.
60 Minutes, The SSRIs, and The Dirty Little Secret | Mad In America

 

[Connery]

Problem is the federal govenment makes drug manufacturers report every adverse case involving a drug. Even if the drug itself may not be the cause or only a minor coontributor.

that statement could not be any further from the truth

The Manufacturer is required to report an ADE..

Reporting Adverse Drug Events

"Reporting to the FDA Via the Manufacturer: The majority of ADEs are reported to the drug manufacturer, whose contact information can be found at the relevant manufacturer Web sites. The manufacturer collects all pertinent information from the reporter and is required to send this information to the FDA. Serious and unexpected ADEs are expedited by the manufacturer to the FDA within 15 days of the manufacturer’s receipt of the ADE. All ADEs are also periodically reported by the manufacturer to regulatory agencies through periodic safety reports. These reports contain summaries of all ADE reports in a designated time period and include patient exposure (both postmarketing and clinical trial), presentation of case summaries, study findings, and overall safety evaluation."

Reporting Adverse Drug Events

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNvQr9EAh28]Antidepressants found to be no better than Placebo. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[eots]

Problem is the federal govenment makes drug manufacturers report every adverse case involving a drug. Even if the drug itself may not be the cause or only a minor coontributor.

that statement could not be any further from the truth

The Manufacturer is required to report an ADE..

Reporting Adverse Drug Events

"Reporting to the FDA Via the Manufacturer: The majority of ADEs are reported to the drug manufacturer, whose contact information can be found at the relevant manufacturer Web sites. The manufacturer collects all pertinent information from the reporter and is required to send this information to the FDA. Serious and unexpected ADEs are expedited by the manufacturer to the FDA within 15 days of the manufacturer’s receipt of the ADE. All ADEs are also periodically reported by the manufacturer to regulatory agencies through periodic safety reports. These reports contain summaries of all ADE reports in a designated time period and include patient exposure (both postmarketing and clinical trial), presentation of case summaries, study findings, and overall safety evaluation."

Reporting Adverse Drug Events

lol...

 

[skye]

Mentally ill people have to take their medications.


Period.


You are not a psychiatrist eots.

So shut up.

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn7RU7eRXlA]Prescription Drugs--Manipulated Clinical Research, 5/7 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[skye]

fuck off