Time to Bail?

Discussion in 'Middle East - General' started by Superlative, Jun 19, 2007.

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    How long before the US backs out?

    How long before Iraq is officially declared a full blown civil war?, and that the US should not be involved?

    Should we let Iran arm whomever the Shiite, and The US arm the Sunni's?

    While we protect the Oil?

    The violence is not subsiding, our latest plan is arming our enemies, (as long as they promise not to turn around and shoot us).

    Erecting walls hasn't changed anything,

    The surge has yet to show (Positive) effect.

    Patience yeilds death.

    Is september a good deadline for the NeoCons to agree this is a waste of life and money?
     
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    In every battle there comes a time when both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins. - Ulysses S. Grant
     
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    What happens when it ceases to be 'our' battle?
     
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    We are there for control of oil, we will stay if at all possible.
    Civil war , democracy, etc are secondary nuisances.

    Not that I agree with the principle behind that observation.
    Just posting what I see as the real reason for our being in Iraq.
    I expect this era to be known in history as the beginning of the oil wars.
     
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    Can you name the three countries that supply the U.S. with the majority of the oil we import? Iraq isn't one of them, never has been and I doubt it ever will be.
     
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    He that fights and runs away, may turn and fight another day; but he that is in battle slain, will never rise to fight again. -
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    Let the Iraqis fight their own battles now.
     
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    Sadly I cannot name the top 3, but in december, didnt Hallibutron get the Iraq oil export back up to its previous level of 20+ million barrels a month? - I corrected this, I mistakenly posted, "day" instead of 'month'.

    the US gets more than 20 billion barrels a month from 3 other countries?
     
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    Something to think about:

    http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010228

     
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    right , locking down the supply is the current game.
    And if we just had Iran and Afganistan as well......
     
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    I'm not saying we shouldn't get out, I believe we should.

    Unfortunately I'm not sure that doing so any time soon is a good idea. The fact of the matter is, we screwed the pooch in Iraq and it is the responsibility of the U.S. government to somehow find a way to fix it. And even then, we can't fix it 100%, too much tribal/sectarian conflict at the core. You think there was a power vacuum after we toppled Sadam? You think the violence is bad now? What do you suppose is keeping Iran at bay? I'm of the opinion that the Iranians are just waiting for a chance to drop in and grab up what they can as reparations for the atrocities suffered during their war with Iraq.

    There is no easy answer. SNAFU best describes where we are now. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
     

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