Time has come for a national ID for every citizen

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    It is time for this country to create an identification card for every legal citizen and require everyone to have that ID in their possession. In the technological age we are in we have no secrets. Our age, phone numbers, addresses, even information about our houses (how many faucets we have) is available on the internet. So the argument about privacy is mute. There is no privacy anymore. There are many benefits of a national ID card and one would be illegal’s would not have any. Legal aliens would have a different ID and have an expiration date.

    We have in America roadblocks by the police to check for seatbelts, drunk driving or other reasons. Why then is it wrong to set roadblocks and check ID’s?
     
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    As long as you don't insist on it being presented to vote. The left will have a cow.
     
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    I don't like this argument. Just because someone can figure out things thanks to the internet, doesn't mean we should give the government free reign as to their lawful right to look into our lives.

    As for illegal immigrants, to believe they wouldn't be able to get their hands on a National ID card is bordering on nativity. No offense.

    Having roadblocks and checking for IDs is one step closer to the Authoritarian Utopia. That may be your ideal future, but one where I feel like a prisoner because I gotta go show my ID to go to a friend's house is not.
     
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    The system is already in place, it is called the The Real ID Act and by 2013 all states will either comply or lose federal highway funding. Seventeen states already do. It's simple, if you have a state ID it is automatically cross referenced into the national database and brings up both a picture and a digital fingerprint to positively ID you. No, it doesn't apply to JUST DL, meaning any state ID including those for non citizens if a state chooses to issue those. Contrary to Bert's worries, the Real ID Act will eliminate the possibility of fraud unless someone is sophisticated enough to hack into the database and change pictures and fingerprints in the system.

    Not to mention, people might be fraudulent is a horrible excuse for not enacting something.
     
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    Wrong, we have checkpoints for sobriety, we do not have checkpoints for seat belts and other such things. Those would be blatantly unconstitutional. Well, except in a limited instance if a felony has occurred in the immediate area, in which case roadblocks can be temporarily established.
     
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    :lol: Because we all know that isn't possible.

    The Real ID is just another step to control over people. It has nothing to do with safety or anything such as that. At this point, a officer can walk up to you on any given street corner and by law you are required to identify yourself. He can also frisk you beforehand as to make sure you are not armed and that is all legal.

    To paraphrase George Carlin, "Even if you read the papers half as good as possible, you'll see the list of our rights get shorter year by year."
     
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    Regularly have seat belt stops, DWI stops:

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    I see no harm in ID for every Citizen.

    What's the big deal?
     
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    Unfortunately I don't think that it will happen for a few reasons.
    1. Corporations and other businesses make millions if not billions of dollars a year from labor of illegal immigrants.
    2. Republicans are Pro Big Business and Anti Voting in the Senate
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    3. The right-wing machine has all of its nuts wound up so tight that if you mention another federal program they just might explode.
     
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    A) Only 23 states have stop and identify laws, the other 22 have no such law, obviously meaning you are not required to do jack. In 14 of those 23 states the stop and identify law requires only a verbal answer, no "papers".

    B) A police officer can NOT just walk up and frisk you. They must take you into custody to do so. No that does not mean arrest. Example , you get pulled over the LEO has reason to remove you from the vehicle, but advises you are not under arrest at this time, the LEO WILL frisk you and place you in cuffs for his own safety. That however does NOT mean that a cop can just frisk you for no reason.

    Paranoia from Bert, who would have thunk it.
     

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