Time for honest posters to admit mistakes

[Gadawg73]

How is I now own 3 profitable businesses and researching my fourth?
How can that be in a down time?
Could it be that I do not sit around on my ass and I actively search for where the market is and how to search for that target market, it's size and where and how they spend their disposable income?
Sit around waiting for someone else to hire you and you will be unemployed. Get out there,knock on doors and state you are willing to work for anyone and tomorrow you will be working.

 

[Truthmatters]

Get me some documentation of what you claim about the gov creating cos that have shut exsisting companies out.

 

[xotoxi]

Time for honest posters to admit mistakes

My turn:

Made a post with the phase "could of" instead of "could have".

I should of known better.

 

[Immanuel]

Immie why is it you join in on the lie that I do not provide evidence?

Saved jobs are just that , every state was dumping state workers and you know that. When they were sent stim money some of that kept people from being let go.

You see contrary to what many claim MONEY reacts the same wether it came from fed tax dollars or state tax dollars.

When a state has reduced tax revenue because the state is in recession and gets fed money to make up for some of the gap the peopel who get payed get payed because of the fed money. That means they did not get ssent to the unemployemnt office becuase the state got fed dollars.

Does the income pais to people who would have lost their job due to reduced tax collections actually stimulate the economy or just maintain that jos which is itself a drain on the reduced amount of taxes being collected?

If that employee was laid off and had to collect unemployment, would that be a bigger drain on the economy or would paying that employ 3 or 4 times that amount from the same coffers be a bigger drain?

Paying collected taxes to a government worker does not stimulate the economy. Paying uncollected taxes that will need to be collected from the future years' tax revenues will continue to drain the economy well into the future.

This is like paying for groceries with a second mortgage.

You fail to calculate in the money these workers then turn and spend into the economy. That sustains and stimulates all business until the recovery starts to chug along. Then when the economy begins to recover the tax revenues go up because the economy is paying into it.

If you do nothing you get a protracted economy that will stagnate into a depression when the numbers are as large as in this recession.


Its like saying the medic giving someone morphine after an a battle injury does not help them recover. Without it the person would go into shock and die before they get to the hospital.

You're proposal is a flood the basement economic scheme. It doesn't work all that well. The money stagnates in the basement.

It is counter to the "trickle down" effect which in my opinion is more productive although, I am not so certain that I have ever actually seen it at work since the Republicans paid it lip service but I'm not so sure they really ever implemented the policy.

What we need is more like a combination of the two.

What we have right now is a push for governmental control of everything. I am unconcerned with how we get out of this economic downturn because if we survive as a nation we will come out of this. I am concerned about coming out of it with fewer rights than what we had when we went into it.

Immie

 

[Skull Pilot]

I made a mistake once.

























I thought I was wrong.

 

[Immanuel]

How is I now own 3 profitable businesses and researching my fourth?
How can that be in a down time?
Could it be that I do not sit around on my ass and I actively search for where the market is and how to search for that target market, it's size and where and how they spend their disposable income?
Sit around waiting for someone else to hire you and you will be unemployed. Get out there,knock on doors and state you are willing to work for anyone and tomorrow you will be working.

So you condemn those who do not have the entrepreneurial spirit?

I personally do not have that spirit. I am not willing to risk what I have on something that I am not sure I can succeed at.

I commend you for having it, but I simply am not willing to risk what I have for something like that. I've thought many times about starting businesses. I thought of the Netflix idea long before Netflix became a reality, but I simply did not want to risk what I had to pull it off... would'a, could'a, should'a!

As you may know from the other thread, I am currently unemployed. I have not been sitting around waiting for someone to hire me. I am actively seeking employment but have struggled getting used to the method of online hiring. My efforts have started producing interviews and I have two good prospects which may open up by the end of next week.

I could have gone out there and gotten a job a month ago taking half of what I made last year, but not only would I have been unhappy and probably bored within a week, but I would not have been serving the employer. So for the time being, I'm taking my time and looking for the best fit for me... by the way, do you need a good accountant for one of your companies in the Central Florida area?

Immie

 

[Truthmatters]

Does the income pais to people who would have lost their job due to reduced tax collections actually stimulate the economy or just maintain that jos which is itself a drain on the reduced amount of taxes being collected?

If that employee was laid off and had to collect unemployment, would that be a bigger drain on the economy or would paying that employ 3 or 4 times that amount from the same coffers be a bigger drain?

Paying collected taxes to a government worker does not stimulate the economy. Paying uncollected taxes that will need to be collected from the future years' tax revenues will continue to drain the economy well into the future.

This is like paying for groceries with a second mortgage.

You fail to calculate in the money these workers then turn and spend into the economy. That sustains and stimulates all business until the recovery starts to chug along. Then when the economy begins to recover the tax revenues go up because the economy is paying into it.

If you do nothing you get a protracted economy that will stagnate into a depression when the numbers are as large as in this recession.


Its like saying the medic giving someone morphine after an a battle injury does not help them recover. Without it the person would go into shock and die before they get to the hospital.

You're proposal is a flood the basement economic scheme. It doesn't work all that well. The money stagnates in the basement.Every study showes that poor people spend nearly all of their income. Tell me how giving to those most needy and willing to work causes the money to stagnate in the basement? Immie I love you but you are wrong here. When you give to the wealthy they save it in bad times( the banks did0 biut when you give to the lower classes they SPEND IT

It is counter to the "trickle down" effect which in my opinion is more productive although, I am not so certain that I have ever actually seen it as work since the Republicans paid it lip service but I'm not so sure they really ever implemented the policy.The reason you didnt like it when it was done was that it doesnt work .The wealthy keep the money and the poor spend it to survive.

What we need is more like a combination of the two.
That is what teh stim is
What we have right now is a push for governmental control of everything. What percent of the US economy is gov? Do you know? I am unconcerned with how we get out of this economic downturn because if we survive as a nation we will come out of this. I am concerned about coming out of it with fewer rights than what we had when we went into it. Then you have nothing to fear because you have not lost any under this admin.

Immie

Enjoy the world Immie its soon going to get better.

I really hope you get a job you love soon.

 

[Immanuel]

You fail to calculate in the money these workers then turn and spend into the economy. That sustains and stimulates all business until the recovery starts to chug along. Then when the economy begins to recover the tax revenues go up because the economy is paying into it.

If you do nothing you get a protracted economy that will stagnate into a depression when the numbers are as large as in this recession.


Its like saying the medic giving someone morphine after an a battle injury does not help them recover. Without it the person would go into shock and die before they get to the hospital.

You're proposal is a flood the basement economic scheme. It doesn't work all that well. The money stagnates in the basement.Every study showes that poor people spend nearly all of their income. Tell me how giving to those most needy and willing to work causes the money to stagnate in the basement? Immie I love you but you are wrong here. When you give to the wealthy they save it in bad times( the banks did0 biut when you give to the lower classes they SPEND IT

It is counter to the "trickle down" effect which in my opinion is more productive although, I am not so certain that I have ever actually seen it as work since the Republicans paid it lip service but I'm not so sure they really ever implemented the policy.The reason you didnt like it when it was done was that it doesnt work .The wealthy keep the money and the poor spend it to survive.

What we need is more like a combination of the two.
That is what teh stim is
What we have right now is a push for governmental control of everything. What percent of the US economy is gov? Do you know? I am unconcerned with how we get out of this economic downturn because if we survive as a nation we will come out of this. I am concerned about coming out of it with fewer rights than what we had when we went into it. Then you have nothing to fear because you have not lost any under this admin.

Immie

Enjoy the world Immie its soon going to get better.

I really hope you get a job you love soon.

Are you serious? Nothing to fear under this administration?

How about maintaining a free society? How about the right to make my own choices?

No the Stim is not a combination of the two. The stim is a government hand out that costs taxpayers money. If anything it is nothing more than redistribution of wealth once again.

I didn't say I didn't like the idea of Trickle Down Economics. I said, I didn't think the Bush Admin actually instituted it. The tax cuts weren't enough to stimulate the economy and beyond them, I can't really think of anything that his admin did to stimulate the economy.

No, I haven't looked up what percentage of the economy is government is today. What I can say is that President Obama just succeeded in taking over 1/6th of that economy.

As for the poor people spending all their money that is just great if it actually got to the poor people and not the bureaucrats that are supposed to dole it out.

Let's take your LANL example: You do realize that is "trickle down" right? The money went to LANL and is then supposed to trickle down to the employees. You understand that right? How much of that $212 million do you think will be paid out to the poor? Do you know? I don't.

Immie

 

[Truthmatters]

You're proposal is a flood the basement economic scheme. It doesn't work all that well. The money stagnates in the basement.Every study showes that poor people spend nearly all of their income. Tell me how giving to those most needy and willing to work causes the money to stagnate in the basement? Immie I love you but you are wrong here. When you give to the wealthy they save it in bad times( the banks did0 biut when you give to the lower classes they SPEND IT

It is counter to the "trickle down" effect which in my opinion is more productive although, I am not so certain that I have ever actually seen it as work since the Republicans paid it lip service but I'm not so sure they really ever implemented the policy.The reason you didnt like it when it was done was that it doesnt work .The wealthy keep the money and the poor spend it to survive.

What we need is more like a combination of the two.
That is what teh stim is
What we have right now is a push for governmental control of everything. What percent of the US economy is gov? Do you know? I am unconcerned with how we get out of this economic downturn because if we survive as a nation we will come out of this. I am concerned about coming out of it with fewer rights than what we had when we went into it. Then you have nothing to fear because you have not lost any under this admin.

Immie

Enjoy the world Immie its soon going to get better.

I really hope you get a job you love soon.

Are you serious? Nothing to fear under this administration?

How about maintaining a free society?What freedoms have you lost? How about the right to make my own choices? What choices ahve you lost?

No the Stim is not a combination of the two. How much of the stim was tax cuts? do you know? The stim is a government hand out that costs taxpayers money. If anything it is nothing more than redistribution of wealth once again.Infrastructure belongs to all of us

I didn't say I didn't like the idea of Trickle Down Economics. I said, I didn't think the Bush Admin actually instituted it. It doesnt work and you can not find one example of it workingThe tax cuts weren't enough to stimulate the economy and beyond them, I can't really think of anything that his admin did to stimulate the economy.You do realize the economic indicators are up right?

No, I haven't looked up what percentage of the economy is government is today. What I can say is that President Obama just succeeded in taking over 1/6th of that economy.Nope its an insurance company boon, what part is governement run?

As for the poor people spending all their money that is just great if it actually got to the poor people and not the bureaucrats that are supposed to dole it out. Immie you are3 argueing against your own argument

Let's take your LANL example: You do realize that is "trickle down" right? The money went to LANL and is then supposed to trickle down to the employees. You understand that right? How much of that $212 million do you think will be paid out to the poor? Do you know? I don't.You do understand that your own argument earlier was fr trickle down right?

Immie

You will benifit Immie

 

[Skull Pilot]

Enjoy the world Immie its soon going to get better.

I really hope you get a job you love soon.

Are you serious? Nothing to fear under this administration?

How about maintaining a free society?What freedoms have you lost? How about the right to make my own choices? What choices ahve you lost?

No the Stim is not a combination of the two. How much of the stim was tax cuts? do you know? The stim is a government hand out that costs taxpayers money. If anything it is nothing more than redistribution of wealth once again.Infrastructure belongs to all of us

I didn't say I didn't like the idea of Trickle Down Economics. I said, I didn't think the Bush Admin actually instituted it. It doesnt work and you can not find one example of it workingThe tax cuts weren't enough to stimulate the economy and beyond them, I can't really think of anything that his admin did to stimulate the economy.You do realize the economic indicators are up right?

No, I haven't looked up what percentage of the economy is government is today. What I can say is that President Obama just succeeded in taking over 1/6th of that economy.Nope its an insurance company boon, what part is governement run?

As for the poor people spending all their money that is just great if it actually got to the poor people and not the bureaucrats that are supposed to dole it out. Immie you are3 argueing against your own argument

Let's take your LANL example: You do realize that is "trickle down" right? The money went to LANL and is then supposed to trickle down to the employees. You understand that right? How much of that $212 million do you think will be paid out to the poor? Do you know? I don't.You do understand that your own argument earlier was fr trickle down right?

Immie

You will benifit Immie

Why? Because you say so.

And right now, government in totality eats up nearly 50% of GDP

The only time it was higher was during WWII

But you can see the trend can't you?

And the federal deficit (not debt) as a percent of GDP is 11%. To put that in perspective, the percentage of deficit to GDP of Greece is 13% and they're imploding.

In other words

We are totally fucking screwed.

 

[Truthmatters]

US in United States 1903-2010 - Federal State Local Government Spending As Percent Of GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s

and both thimes in the past when it was used the debt was reduced after the crisis.

We can do the same again when the revenues return in the recovery

 

[Skull Pilot]

US in United States 1903-2010 - Federal State Local Government Spending As Percent Of GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s

and both thimes in the past when it was used the debt was reduced after the crisis.

We can do the same again when the revenues return in the recovery

Have you looked at the chart?

Tell me what crisis has lasted since 1950 that the percentage has risen steadily?

There are no more spikes in the graph after WWII

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Tell me what crisis has lasted since 1950 that the percentage has risen steadily?

The implementation of the welfare state. That's the reason for the steady increase.

 

[Immanuel]

US in United States 1903-2010 - Federal State Local Government Spending As Percent Of GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s

and both thimes in the past when it was used the debt was reduced after the crisis.

We can do the same again when the revenues return in the recovery

Have you looked at the chart?

Tell me what crisis has lasted since 1950 that the percentage has risen steadily?

There are no more spikes in the graph after WWII

Tell me what crisis has lasted since 1950 that the percentage has risen steadily?

The implementation of the welfare state. That's the reason for the steady increase.

Actually when you look at the chart, I think you need to go back to 1930.

You have the peek in the mid forties which was the war, but the increase really began in the 1930's. Did the Depression have something to do with that and then only get compiled on by the New Deal?

Immie

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Actually when you look at the chart, I think you need to go back to 1930.

You have the peek in the mid forties which was the war, but the increase really began in the 1930's. Did the Depression have something to do with that and then only get compiled on by the New Deal?

Immie

The 1930s were the beginning of the welfare state and redistributionist socialism.

 

[Dis]

Time for honest posters to admit mistakes.

I'm brutally honest. I'll admit I made a mistake reading through a portion of this thread, rather than bypassing it like I should have.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are you serious? Nothing to fear under this administration?

How about maintaining a free society?What freedoms have you lost? How about the right to make my own choices? What choices ahve you lost?

No the Stim is not a combination of the two. How much of the stim was tax cuts? do you know? The stim is a government hand out that costs taxpayers money. If anything it is nothing more than redistribution of wealth once again.Infrastructure belongs to all of us

I didn't say I didn't like the idea of Trickle Down Economics. I said, I didn't think the Bush Admin actually instituted it. It doesnt work and you can not find one example of it workingThe tax cuts weren't enough to stimulate the economy and beyond them, I can't really think of anything that his admin did to stimulate the economy.You do realize the economic indicators are up right?

No, I haven't looked up what percentage of the economy is government is today. What I can say is that President Obama just succeeded in taking over 1/6th of that economy.Nope its an insurance company boon, what part is governement run?

As for the poor people spending all their money that is just great if it actually got to the poor people and not the bureaucrats that are supposed to dole it out. Immie you are3 argueing against your own argument

Let's take your LANL example: You do realize that is "trickle down" right? The money went to LANL and is then supposed to trickle down to the employees. You understand that right? How much of that $212 million do you think will be paid out to the poor? Do you know? I don't.You do understand that your own argument earlier was fr trickle down right?

Immie

You will benifit Immie

Why? Because you say so.

And right now, government in totality eats up nearly 50% of GDP

The only time it was higher was during WWII

But you can see the trend can't you?

And the federal deficit (not debt) as a percent of GDP is 11%. To put that in perspective, the percentage of deficit to GDP of Greece is 13% and they're imploding.

In other words

We are totally fucking screwed.

Well then, you should not have helped Bush get into office.

 

[Avatar4321]

Well then, you should not have helped Bush get into office.

Bush has absolutely nothing to do with you guys making things worse.

 

[nodoginnafight]

As for Nodog's contention about hyper-inflation, I will admit I was one of those who expected it and said so on another site maybe even here. Economic conditions have worsened since the Stimulus package was passed not gotten better, but we're not facing hyper-inflation for the time being. We're facing a recession and the Stimulus package did nothing at all to avert it. I surely don't see unemployment numbers falling.

Some people see only what they choose to see - especially when an honest look at ALL the facts contradicts one's strongly held beliefs, prejudices, and pre-conceived notions.

One must only google "economic recovery" and select "news" to see the all the stories from around the nation that all basically say the same thing. The economic recovery is chugging along - not speeding along - but chugging along. And most contain the opinion that while things are improving, it is going to be a long haul.

Trying to pretend that things are worse now than they were a year ago is absurd. And a great many posters have confirmed here that they are not honest posters. Either they delude themselves with selective vision or they just try to deny the facts to grind a political ax.

I'll admit that I have a very low tolerance level for both types of dishonesty. You can't discuss issues with people who choose dishonesty.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You should admit your "name" is misleading.