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I disagree. If you've seen local politicians, some are little Hitlers, but many are good people who want to do good.
Problem is some of them get scared away from politics by those who are aggressive, others don't get heard because they're not aggressive.
I disagree. If you've seen local politicians, some are little Hitlers, but many are good people who want to do good.
That naivety has long been our undoing.
There are politicians with good intentions. They also have dishonest ambitions and personal motivation. That is why I said a good intentioned and honest politician is 1 in 10000.
Problem is some of them get scared away from politics by those who are aggressive, others don't get heard because they're not aggressive.
The point of that post was that politics are useless.
They only harm the common man. They do no overall good, but cause long and lasting harm.
No, politicians don't always harm people. In some countries politicians have done a good job of making things run.
Some places where politicians are on the take, then it's bad, in China politicians have been on the take but also managed to improve the lives of most Chinese people massively since Mao died in 1975.
Sometimes you get a Mao, sometimes you get a Deng XiaoPing and sometimes you get someone different to both.
Where did I state that the democrats support freedom?I am well aware of that possibility. Every time another republican is elected I (and the nation as I see it) looses. People continue to vote in those republicans that claim to support freedom while being diametrically opposed to it and those politicians keep running because they keep winning.You're forgetting the third possibility, which is losing.If people would stop seeing politics as a team sport then yes. Unfortunately, most people want to 'win' rather than elect a leader that will actually change anything.
Your belief that Democrats support freedom couldn't be more absurd. Where is the "freedom" in the 2000 page Obamacare bill? Where is the freedom in driving the coal industry out of business?
The logical conclusion of that stance is to only support an anarchy.I disagree. If you've seen local politicians, some are little Hitlers, but many are good people who want to do good.
That naivety has long been our undoing.
There are politicians with good intentions. They also have dishonest ambitions and personal motivation. That is why I said a good intentioned and honest politician is 1 in 10000.
Problem is some of them get scared away from politics by those who are aggressive, others don't get heard because they're not aggressive.
The point of that post was that politics are useless.
They only harm the common man. They do no overall good, but cause long and lasting harm.
Time for 3rd part? I'd prefer to go in the opposite direction. I'd reduce any advantage that political parties have in the system and have a non-partisan open primary in September or October where if any candidate gets over 50% of the vote he/she wins, otherwise the top 2 finishers have a run-off election in November.
In other words, forcing an end to free assembly and affiliation in the political system.
The logical conclusion of that stance is to only support an anarchy.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
No, politicians don't always harm people. In some countries politicians have done a good job of making things run.
Some places where politicians are on the take, then it's bad, in China politicians have been on the take but also managed to improve the lives of most Chinese people massively since Mao died in 1975.
Sometimes you get a Mao, sometimes you get a Deng XiaoPing and sometimes you get someone different to both.
We could argue about the supply of good intentioned and honest politicians all day.
One proverb still reigns true. Never trust government.
The logical conclusion of that is self-reliance and self-governance.
Let me rephrase something too. The only functions of politics are appropriation and control people. Communist China improved because the problems politics caused in the first place were reversed. The cultural revolution was a consequence of politics.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
The whole point is to change the way people vote in order to have third parties in Congress to actually be able to do something. In many countries third parties actually do stuff because they ware in parliament.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
The whole point is to change the way people vote in order to have third parties in Congress to actually be able to do something. In many countries third parties actually do stuff because they ware in parliament.
I don't disagree with the intent .. but the reality is that we don't live in a country that has many relevant parties.
The intent is why I vote Green .. when I have the luxury to do so. This moment in time does not allow me such luxury.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
What the hell 3rd party? There are dozens of them by the time the election rolls around. Should we vote for the former CEO of "Cannabis Sativa" just because we hate Hillary and don't understand Trump? The dirty little secret is that Trump is the ultimate 3rd party candidate and you pot head idiots don't understand it. Go ahead suckers, waste your vote.
Who should you trust? Would you trust businessmen and women? Probably not.
Self reliance isn't a bad thing. However in the modern world it's not always possible. There needs to be government whether you like it or not.
Back to the issue of third parties, the more you have people taking those in power into account, the better, and small parties are more likely to do that. In the US there aren't any in any position in any state or federal govt body as far as I know.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
The whole point is to change the way people vote in order to have third parties in Congress to actually be able to do something. In many countries third parties actually do stuff because they ware in parliament.
I don't disagree with the intent .. but the reality is that we don't live in a country that has many relevant parties.
The intent is why I vote Green .. when I have the luxury to do so. This moment in time does not allow me such luxury.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
The whole point is to change the way people vote in order to have third parties in Congress to actually be able to do something. In many countries third parties actually do stuff because they ware in parliament.
I don't disagree with the intent .. but the reality is that we don't live in a country that has many relevant parties.
The intent is why I vote Green .. when I have the luxury to do so. This moment in time does not allow me such luxury.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
The US doesn't have many relevant parties because the system doesn't allow for it. Look at the Tea Party. In any other country they'd have been a separate party, like UKIP in the UK, the FPD in Germany or various others.
But because people see they only "have two choices" they vote for those two choices.
Make Congress Proportional Representation and all of a sudden people see that voting for another party actually means something.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
How many people will think like this? I think if they all got the cojones to vote third party, there might actually be some real positive change in the US for once.
What do you think a 3rd party could accomplish without other party members in Congress? That person would still have to work through democrats and republicans, would they not?
Voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote, not much more .. and I'm a Green.
The whole point is to change the way people vote in order to have third parties in Congress to actually be able to do something. In many countries third parties actually do stuff because they ware in parliament.
I don't disagree with the intent .. but the reality is that we don't live in a country that has many relevant parties.
The intent is why I vote Green .. when I have the luxury to do so. This moment in time does not allow me such luxury.
The reality is that voting 3rd party amounts to a protest vote .. which may be good for the conscience, but does nothing to solve problems today.
This may be true for you but it is not true for everyone. Some people's understandings of the problems leads them to conclude that the candidates that represent the duopoly are part of the problems we face today.
I'm not the principle of what you're saying brother .. but you hit the nail on the head .. "the system doesn't allow for it." No, it doesn't.
The Puppetmasters like the system just the way it is .. AND, Americans are a colonized people. You can tell us ANYTHING.
Those of us who've taken the red pill must find a way to work within a system that will not change to affect the issues important to us.
Who should you trust? Would you trust businessmen and women? Probably not.
Self reliance isn't a bad thing. However in the modern world it's not always possible. There needs to be government whether you like it or not.
Government can be beneficial. It is not a necessity.
Most people cannot seem to differentiate the difference between governments and states, which is something I have been discovering quite frequently.
I believe having the option to rely on others can be positive. I just believe people should reach a level of sufficiency where they can survive without having to rely on others.
If that is incompatible with modern society, then modern society is not worth preserving.
Back to the issue of third parties, the more you have people taking those in power into account, the better, and small parties are more likely to do that. In the US there aren't any in any position in any state or federal govt body as far as I know.
Yes, I have sort of came around to your position.
More parties makes it harder to consolidate power behind a unified regime and agenda.
All the same though, it is not a solution. Just a remedy.
