Throwing in the towel

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    After posting a few things to the forum I am thinking about throwing in the towel. I was a Political science / econ double major in school and an avid debater so I was into the whole politics thing. After school I drifted away from politics and focused on my family and career development (my wife hates politics).

    I started paying attention again after 9/11, as I was living in NY at the time it was hard to ignore. As time wore on and we managed to squander all of the good will we had garnered in the world frustration tuned me away from politics again.

    With the pending elections and the market crash I became interested in political discourse again so this forum was an obvious place to turn. The difficulty in trying to talk people into voting for their own best interest is so exhausting, especially when I vote consistently against my own interest for the sake of the nation. Here are some of the things that have just worn me down:

    Abortion
    I am past the stage in my life where this would be an issue for my wife and I and I fully intend to have our family doctor prescribe birth control to my daughter when she enters puberty, I will also be sure to provide my son with discreet access to condoms at a young age. It will not impact my family if the Right eliminate legal abortion and I don’t see them eliminating birth control in the near future. Same goes for sex education. My children will get clinical lectures on the subject from the time they are about 6 so why care if it is banned from public school, besides with the cuts to social programs I won’t be paying to support all those teen mothers.

    Taxes
    Why do I support candidates that will raise my taxes? As I move into a life stage where I can benefit from the SSA cap, the Cap Gains rate on dividends, mortgage deductions, education tax credits and the upper income tax brackets it does not make any sense for me to support Obama. 8 out of 10 Americans don’t want to tax the wealthy as they will not want to be taxed when they become wealthy, even though the odds say that they will never reach that level. Why should I want to dispel that myth?

    National Debt
    Why do I care, I can just invest in foreign markets and protect my savings from the ever deflating value of the dollar and as all my debt is fixed, higher interest rates are beneficial to me. Besides, if the domestic financial industry collapses we will just bail it out again.

    Defense
    It’s a volunteer army so my kids won’t be forced to go to war and shares of United Defense and Boeing are on the rise, and would really take off if we just eliminated all those labor unions.

    Religion
    If it becomes a requirement I suppose I could give up my Sundays to the local Anglican parish

    Guns
    Don’t really care one way or the other, maybe I should get armed just in case society does break down.

    Social Security
    I have a good defined benefit plan, an SERP and a good 401(k); I will not need the SSA so why should I pay for them.

    Medicare
    My SERP provides retiree health benefits so this isn’t my problem either.

    Medicaid
    I have health insurance, why should I care if poor kids get any healthcare at all.

    Education
    My wife is a SHAM so we could home school or pay for private school. As the money I spend on public schools does not benefit me directly, I should be against the whole concept of public education.

    Outsourcing:
    My position will not be outsourced so why should I care?

    Organized Labor:
    Why should I care if the US labor movement tanks? I am just tired of trying to convince bus drivers that they would not make $80K per year without a union. If they want to make $11 per hour, I am not going to try and stop them.

    Guilt:
    Why should I feel any guilt in helping people take maximum financial advantage from the tax “loopholes” the wealthy bake into the tax code? To save a lot of time and trouble we could just not tax capital gains and then the wealthy could really spur investment and completely avoid taxation. I can stop debating internally about if it’s right or wrong to get an $11m payment for a CFO who helped drive his company into the ground.

    It’s just so much easier to stop fighting and accept that people do not act rationally so there is no point in arguing with them.
     
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    I will never give up.

    Democracy is not easy its just the best.
     
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    People don't act rationally in the aggregate, but there are highly intelligent people in this world. I suggest if you want to talk politics intelligently, don't go to a politics board. The best political discussions I have had (online) have been with people who aren't obsessed with politics. Intellectual people are generally informed about a whole host of issues (including politics), but don't have the narrow dogmatic focus you see from the majority of posters here, and on other politics boards.

    I talk politics because I enjoy it. I enjoy theorizing about problems and coming up with complicated solutions and reading writers who have thought more about the issues, and are more intelligent than I am. Why I come here? Pure mindless amusement. But don't confuse the highly intellectual, complicated, and often very rewarding discussion of politics with what happens on these boards.
     
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    no one likes a quitter...you got a spine figure out why.
     
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    That's the problem right there, you are never going to win an online argument. The only thing you can do is make your points and leave it at that.
    The lurkers will read what you say and form an opinion. That's who you should be focused on.

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    Don't leave, I understand how you feel.....but don't grow cynical and old alone....there are plenty of us here.

    Did someone say Talk politics with non-political people?? Ohhh I've done that....and all those non-political people suddenly found Politics because Oprah told them to......it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

    Waaaaay better off here!

    You people are lovely!
     
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    Jesus Christ dude, there's better ways to get attention than whining like a pussy. Go check a few of my threads if you're looking for pointers.
     
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    I am a lefty, I like whining like a pussy, its what we do. :badgrin:

    I think my moment of weekness has passed, I am just going to stop talking about taxes for a while.
     
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    Glad to hear it. :cool:
     
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    What else are you going do, watch dancing with the stars and consume for the rest of your life? Thats exactly what they want you to do, be a good little consumer with no worries. Your giving up to easy my friend

    I also liked your tax paragraph, its funny because "americans dont want to be taxed when they become rich" lol Thats why I think some people are stupid, because they buy into the "american dream", its more like the American Fantasy if you look at the real data. .01% of people on this planet (about 13,000) have more money than 4 billion people. Its even worse in America so that argument about one day becoming rich is retarded. It takes power away from the middle class, the people who drive the economy and tread in place with a life long quest of paying off debt and interest (money which was created out of thin air to begin with) to make the rich even richer. All you have to do is look at the data, thats all. Look at how the gap between rich and middle class has gotten bigger over the last century, if most people did that they would realize that most people are not bright enough to be among the rich. Either your born rich, or you have a brilliant idea and someone bought into it. Nobody ever got rich, saving money from labor.
     
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