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No, an agnostic may sit on the fence regarding a particular religion. He is saying he doesn't know. Being agnostic doesn't automatically rule out any religion.Athiests and agnostics are certainly not evil for not believing. And maybe there is an eternal creator who created and rules over the eternal cosmos but is not believing there is really the greatest of sins? Of course not. Only a religion would say it was.
This is what agnostics and athiests have in common. We both call bs on all religions. That's what an agnostic says to the Jesus Mohammad and moses stories. Not buying it. Other than that it's just a maybe
Now if we can get Isis AL queda the Taliban and boka raham on board. I don't like any story that isn't true but let's focus first on the most insane of all the stories.I wish we could talk at a round table and discuss this in person.. oh well...
I need to go soon....
A round table? Those are the worst! People get beheaded and stuff when they lack a religion...
But it's ok... we both want good things for humans and all life on the planet. We don't disagree on that. That's all that matters!
You answered to a point that wasn't made. I said if one believes random chance created life then it was a matter of faith. I didn't say dismissing a religion is a matter of faith. Slow down when you read....which requires a HIGH degree of faith. Too much for most folks. You are a deeply faithful believer indeed. Dismissing other faiths doesn't change it.As far as your OP, I've already given my answer...random chance. Attempting to assign reason or meaning when we currently have no evidence to support such theories may be popular (I mean Zeus worked for explaining and giving reason to lightening for hundreds of years) but that doesn't make it any more true.
no dismissing something because there is no evidence is not "faith". i know that theocrats like saying that. but the reality is that it is a LACK of faith.... no matter how many times you say otherwise doesn't change things.
A frozen comit might have brought the first life. Or the mold and fungus that builds up when the conditions are right can turn into fish reptiles mammals then humans in a few million years. That's what seems to be true best we can tell with what we know now.I get this might not necassarily belong in CDZ, but since I can't stand any of the other forums, this is where I'm posting it. I hope that this becomes a fun conversation
First question: How did chemicals from lifeless reactions, turn into life?
Second: How did the early simple, single cell prokaryotic forms of life that had reached their available energy threshold, jumped to a higher energy threshold and turn into a eukaryotic form. A much more complex cell, that becomes the building block for complex life.
Finally: How did the jump happen from standard animal intelligence to human consciousness? Sure there are some smart animals out there, but they do not hold a candle to human intelligence.
I just don't believe there is a God. How's that a religion? Maybe there is I just don't think there is. Is that all it takes?Just want to point out that atheism is a religion, based on faith as much as any other.
Nobody on this Earth really knows. All we can do is try to make sense of things the best we can, using the measures we trust.
I trust the scientific method.
Now if we can get Isis AL queda the Taliban and boka raham on board. I don't like any story that isn't true but let's focus first on the most insane of all the stories.I wish we could talk at a round table and discuss this in person.. oh well...
I need to go soon....
A round table? Those are the worst! People get beheaded and stuff when they lack a religion...
But it's ok... we both want good things for humans and all life on the planet. We don't disagree on that. That's all that matters!
dude, my avatar is a headless horseman... get it?
When your stories require magical thinking we reject them as such...which requires a HIGH degree of faith. Too much for most folks. You are a deeply faithful believer indeed. Dismissing other faiths doesn't change it.As far as your OP, I've already given my answer...random chance. Attempting to assign reason or meaning when we currently have no evidence to support such theories may be popular (I mean Zeus worked for explaining and giving reason to lightening for hundreds of years) but that doesn't make it any more true.
That's why the most rational position is agnostic atheist.No, an agnostic may sit on the fence regarding a particular religion. He is saying he doesn't know. Being agnostic doesn't automatically rule out any religion.Athiests and agnostics are certainly not evil for not believing. And maybe there is an eternal creator who created and rules over the eternal cosmos but is not believing there is really the greatest of sins? Of course not. Only a religion would say it was.
This is what agnostics and athiests have in common. We both call bs on all religions. That's what an agnostic says to the Jesus Mohammad and moses stories. Not buying it. Other than that it's just a maybe
The atheist is different. They claim their is no god but they can't know it so it too is a matter of faith. That apparently others them but the inconsistency is all on them.
That's your conclusion but I'm not even sure it's true.You answered to a point that wasn't made. I said if one believes random chance created life then it was a matter of faith. I didn't say dismissing a religion is a matter of faith. Slow down when you read....which requires a HIGH degree of faith. Too much for most folks. You are a deeply faithful believer indeed. Dismissing other faiths doesn't change it.As far as your OP, I've already given my answer...random chance. Attempting to assign reason or meaning when we currently have no evidence to support such theories may be popular (I mean Zeus worked for explaining and giving reason to lightening for hundreds of years) but that doesn't make it any more true.
no dismissing something because there is no evidence is not "faith". i know that theocrats like saying that. but the reality is that it is a LACK of faith.... no matter how many times you say otherwise doesn't change things.
I just don't believe there is a God. How's that a religion? Maybe there is I just don't think there is. Is that all it takes?Just want to point out that atheism is a religion, based on faith as much as any other.
Nobody on this Earth really knows. All we can do is try to make sense of things the best we can, using the measures we trust.
I trust the scientific method.
Now if we can get Isis AL queda the Taliban and boka raham on board. I don't like any story that isn't true but let's focus first on the most insane of all the stories.I wish we could talk at a round table and discuss this in person.. oh well...
I need to go soon....
A round table? Those are the worst! People get beheaded and stuff when they lack a religion...
But it's ok... we both want good things for humans and all life on the planet. We don't disagree on that. That's all that matters!
dude, my avatar is a headless horseman... get it?
There's no such thing as a agnostic atheist. Someone made that up to feel better about their atheism. I've told you at least 20 times I'm not religious. It's simply too much for you to grasp.That's why the most rational position is agnostic atheist.No, an agnostic may sit on the fence regarding a particular religion. He is saying he doesn't know. Being agnostic doesn't automatically rule out any religion.Athiests and agnostics are certainly not evil for not believing. And maybe there is an eternal creator who created and rules over the eternal cosmos but is not believing there is really the greatest of sins? Of course not. Only a religion would say it was.
This is what agnostics and athiests have in common. We both call bs on all religions. That's what an agnostic says to the Jesus Mohammad and moses stories. Not buying it. Other than that it's just a maybe
The atheist is different. They claim their is no god but they can't know it so it too is a matter of faith. That apparently others them but the inconsistency is all on them.
You either believe Mary was a virgin or not. Agnostics go to hell with atheists.
See above.That's your conclusion but I'm not even sure it's true.You answered to a point that wasn't made. I said if one believes random chance created life then it was a matter of faith. I didn't say dismissing a religion is a matter of faith. Slow down when you read....which requires a HIGH degree of faith. Too much for most folks. You are a deeply faithful believer indeed. Dismissing other faiths doesn't change it.As far as your OP, I've already given my answer...random chance. Attempting to assign reason or meaning when we currently have no evidence to support such theories may be popular (I mean Zeus worked for explaining and giving reason to lightening for hundreds of years) but that doesn't make it any more true.
no dismissing something because there is no evidence is not "faith". i know that theocrats like saying that. but the reality is that it is a LACK of faith.... no matter how many times you say otherwise doesn't change things.
And even if it is, I have faith your magical stories aren't true. Yes, I agree. I have faith there are no angels devils or God. I have faith our ancestors were very primitive irrational superstitious people.
You have faith in ancient fables
You do not know my belief set. I believe in evolution if your hinting that I believe in creationism. So why this reaction to 3 very big and still mysterious leaps in evolution, that evolutionary biologists debate all the time?I get this might not necassarily belong in CDZ, but since I can't stand any of the other forums, this is where I'm posting it. I hope that this becomes a fun conversation
First question: How did chemicals from lifeless reactions, turn into life?
Second: How did the early simple, single cell prokaryotic forms of life that had reached their available energy threshold, jumped to a higher energy threshold and turn into a eukaryotic form. A much more complex cell, that becomes the building block for complex life.
Finally: How did the jump happen from standard animal intelligence to human consciousness? Sure there are some smart animals out there, but they do not hold a candle to human intelligence.
if this is yet another proselytizing thread, it probably belongs in the myriad of discussions in the religion section where people who believe certain things try to pretend they can convince people who do not believe in those things and have not asked to be preached to, that they *should* believe in those things.
all the while, substituting "faith" which has no evidence, for fact.
it's not that i don't respect your belief. t's that everyone believes they are correct in their beliefs or lack thereof.
hence the idea that you are right and everyone else is wrong has at its foundation an arrogance that is truly off-putting to anyone but those who share your belief set.
I don't have one. No need to. I do believe a creator made the universe because chance doesn't work for me. Beyond that, I don't know and don't feel the need to make something up or believe what somebody else made up.Mmmmmkay. The aliems didit. Case closed!
Yep. And your theory is...?
You do not know my belief set. I believe in evolution if your hinting that I believe in creationism. So why this reaction to 3 very big and still mysterious leaps in evolution, that evolutionary biologists debate all the time?I get this might not necassarily belong in CDZ, but since I can't stand any of the other forums, this is where I'm posting it. I hope that this becomes a fun conversation
First question: How did chemicals from lifeless reactions, turn into life?
Second: How did the early simple, single cell prokaryotic forms of life that had reached their available energy threshold, jumped to a higher energy threshold and turn into a eukaryotic form. A much more complex cell, that becomes the building block for complex life.
Finally: How did the jump happen from standard animal intelligence to human consciousness? Sure there are some smart animals out there, but they do not hold a candle to human intelligence.
if this is yet another proselytizing thread, it probably belongs in the myriad of discussions in the religion section where people who believe certain things try to pretend they can convince people who do not believe in those things and have not asked to be preached to, that they *should* believe in those things.
all the while, substituting "faith" which has no evidence, for fact.
it's not that i don't respect your belief. t's that everyone believes they are correct in their beliefs or lack thereof.
hence the idea that you are right and everyone else is wrong has at its foundation an arrogance that is truly off-putting to anyone but those who share your belief set.
And no this does not belong under religion and ethics, it belongs under science!! That is what it is, stop dismissing what you don't like as religion, your as worse than 5000 year old earth people.
Intelligent alien life in close enough proximity to us is made increasingly rare by the second question I posed. How does the simple prokaryotic cell who has reached its energy threshold gain the ability to become more complex, which requires more energy, to attain more energy you need to become more complex, to become more complex you need to attain more energy, and so on and so forth. It's a jump so rare, that it has only happened once on earth. Will we find other life out there, hopefully, but chances are it will be quite boring prokaryotic cells. Is there intelligent life out there, probably, but also probably very rare and far apart. So that does not become the simplest answer as of now. I think you want to believe too much there agent mulder.Mmmmmkay. The aliems didit. Case closed!
Yep. And your theory is...?
