Threats From Obama Administration Exhibit Thuggery

[Bfgrn]

My heart really pumps purple-piss.

It wouldn't be such an issue if it weren't for this Administrations attempt at demonizing the industry....even though nothing they do will reduce costs. No new law makes it easier for anyone to get insurance. It just makes it more expensive and puts insurance providers out of business. One of the reasons they charge so much is because of abuses and fraud by policy holders and the simple fact that the government refuses to pay full price for health care after it's been provided to the beneficiaries. Oh...and don't forget the trial lawyers that are bringing frivolous lawsuits against doctors which only ends up raising their malpractice insurance and only results in lawyers getting rich off both the doctors and the people that are paying premiums.

New regulations I pointed out earlier will make it impossible for insurance providers to function in the market and force them ether out of business or force them to comply to ridiculous mandates. Eventually death panels that are already being formed will decide who deserves treatment and who doesn't qualify.

But you just want to get even with those evil bastards then you'll have your wish

Revenge is a poor way to do business and will only result in job losses and eventually more expensive health care.

This is the cause of this weak economy..plain and simple.

There's good reason to demonize that industry and the scum bags that control them. In the 1990's health insurance companies were spending around 85 cents on the dollar for medical CARE, but Wall Street got their grubby little hands on control of that industry and force these companies to stay below 80% or they punish them severely in the market. As premiums skyrocketed, coverage DECLINED and MORE of the costs were put on the consumer.

Why don't you do yourself a favor...listen to someone that knows the industry because he was there. He spent 20 years as an executive at CIGNA.

Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients
July 10, 2009

Last month, testimony in front of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation by a former health insurance insider named Wendell Potter made news even before it occurred: CBS NEWS headlined: "Cigna Whistleblower to Testify." After Potter's testimony the industry scrambled to do damage control: "Insurers defend rescissions, take heat for lack of transparency."

In his first extended television interview since leaving the health insurance industry, Wendell Potter tells Bill Moyers why he left his successful career as the head of Public Relations for CIGNA, one of the nation's largest insurers, and decided to speak out against the industry. "I didn't intend to [speak out], until it became really clear to me that the industry is resorting to the same tactics they've used over the years, and particularly back in the early '90s, when they were leading the effort to kill the Clinton plan."

Potter began his trip from health care spokesperson to reform advocate while back home in Tennessee. Potter attended a "health care expedition," a makeshift health clinic set up at a fairgrounds, and he tells Bill Moyers, "It was absolutely stunning. When I walked through the fairground gates, I saw hundreds of people lined up, in the rain. It was raining that day. Lined up, waiting to get care, in animal stalls. Animal stalls."

Looking back over his long career, Potter sees an industry corrupted by Wall Street expectations and greed. According to Potter, insurers have every incentive to deny coverage — every dollar they don't pay out to a claim is a dollar they can add to their profits, and Wall Street investors demand they pay out less every year. Under these conditions, Potter says, "You don't think about individual people. You think about the numbers, and whether or not you're going to meet Wall Street's expectations."

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HEREBill Moyers Journal . Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients | PBS

I was licensed to sell insurance here in TN did it for a while and couldn't make any money doing it....so I've been in the industry.

You can't even watch the video? Would it harm you in some way?

 

[boedicca]

Scooped ya:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...s-will-be-punished-for-telling-the-truth.html

 

[RDD_1210]

I noticed the left's only defense for this Brown Shirt action is that those Fat-Cats need to be punished for making money in America.

Only Democrat friends and Union members are allowed to make huge amounts of cash in this country now. Profits are nolonger allowed for those who don't do what they're told. Get with the program and they'll make sure you can make a living as long as it's controlled.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making obscene amounts of money that comes at the expense of people who HAVE health insurance and still can't get the care they need, just because it could hurt the bottom line of insurance companies. Anyone who defends insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves for defending such behavior in this country.

 

[RDD_1210]

Typical Marxist argument.

Let's post the incomes of Democrats in Congress and their supporters.

Georges Soros made billions.....Obama himself made over $3 million last year. John Kerry....millions. Nancy Pelosi....millions more.....Harry Reid...the same....the list goes on and on.

Seems only the right (no pun intended) people deserve to make money in this economy.

Everyone else is under attack.

Stick the 'Marxist' shit up your ass you morally bankrupt scum bag and answer my question...how do YOU define ROUGH?

rough is when you izz sitting in da basement and mummy has to pay for your 26 year old ass, and if mummy don't do it "We the People" must do it. That's rough. Rough is when We the people are forced to pay for stupid fucking heroin addicts to go in and get their Methadone injections. fuck all you leeches.

Let's face reality. Using your "logic", I would be the one paying for your health insurance, since I have a job, and you in fact, don't.

Funny how you claim to be against people mooching off of others when you are doing this very thing to all of us who actually work.

 

[Bfgrn]

I noticed the left's only defense for this Brown Shirt action is that those Fat-Cats need to be punished for making money in America.

Only Democrat friends and Union members are allowed to make huge amounts of cash in this country now. Profits are nolonger allowed for those who don't do what they're told. Get with the program and they'll make sure you can make a living as long as it's controlled.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making obscene amounts of money that comes at the expense of people who HAVE health insurance and still can't get the care they need, just because it could hurt the bottom line of insurance companies. Anyone who defends insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves for defending such behavior in this country.

Good post!

It goes farther and deeper than morality. What these insurance cartels are doing is a violation the whole concept of a free market. In a true free market, you can't get rich by making other people poor. Unless everyone benefits, it is not a true free market, it is a captured market, a perversion of that critical tenet.

What is true irony...it is socialism, for corporations.

 

[boedicca]

I noticed the left's only defense for this Brown Shirt action is that those Fat-Cats need to be punished for making money in America.

Only Democrat friends and Union members are allowed to make huge amounts of cash in this country now. Profits are nolonger allowed for those who don't do what they're told. Get with the program and they'll make sure you can make a living as long as it's controlled.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making obscene amounts of money that comes at the expense of people who HAVE health insurance and still can't get the care they need, just because it could hurt the bottom line of insurance companies. Anyone who defends insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves for defending such behavior in this country.

Is a 3% profit margin "obscene"?

 

[Charles_Main]

Health insurance companies are being painted into a corner. The Obama Administration is instituting rules and regulations that are forcing them to raise their premiums to be able to stay in business.

They've already announced that they are raising rates to remain competitive and make a profit which resulted in a threat issued by the Sec. of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebilius that anyone who raises rates for reasons the Obama Administration feels is unwarranted will result in serious repercussions. [see below]

Health care professionals are already getting shafted on Medicade to the tune of 17 cent on the dollar so it seems that this is the way the White House intends on instituting the public option and eventually a single payer system in health care. Doctors are in for some rough times folks and so are the insurance companies. By controlling what a health care provider charges and what a health insurance company can charge socialized medicine is on the way....and after looking at all of this everyone but the Obama Administration feels that this will not control costs but instead increase them.

Originally Posted by Kathleen Sebelius

Ms. Karen Ignagni
President and Chief Executive Officer
America’s Health Insurance Plans
601 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
South Building, Suite 500
Washington, DC 20004

Dear Ms. Ignagni:

It has come to my attention that several health insurer carriers are sending letters to their enrollees falsely blaming premium increases for 2011 on the patient protections in the Affordable Care Act. I urge you to inform your members that there will be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases.

The Affordable Care Act includes a number of provisions to provide Americans with access to health coverage that will be there when they need it. These provisions were fully supported by AHIP and its member companies. Many of the legislation’s key protections take effect for plan or policy years beginning on or after September 23, 2010. All plans must comply with provisions such as no lifetime limits, no rescissions except in cases of fraud or intentional misrepresentation of material fact, and coverage of most adult children up to age 26. New plans must comply with additional provisions, such as coverage of preventive services with no cost sharing, access to OB / GYNs without referrals, restrictions on annual limits on coverage, a prohibition on pre-existing condition exclusions of children (which applies to all group health plans), access to out-of-network emergency room services, and a strengthened appeals process. And health plans that cover early retirees could qualify for reinsurance to sustain that coverage for businesses, workers, and retirees alike.

According to our analysis and those of some industry and academic experts, any potential premium impact from the new consumer protections and increased quality provisions under the Affordable Care Act will be minimal. We estimate that that the effect will be no more than one to two percent. This is consistent with estimates from the Urban Institute (1 to 2 percent) and Mercer consultants (2.3 percent) as well as some insurers’ estimates. Pennsylvania’s Highmark, for example, estimates the effect of the legislation on premiums from 1.14 to 2 percent. Moreover, the trends in health costs, independent of the legislation, have slowed. Employers’ premiums for family coverage increased by only 3 percent in 2010 – a significant drop from previous years.

Any premium increases will be moderated by out-of-pocket savings resulting from the law. These savings include a reduction in the “hidden tax” on insured Americans that subsidizes care for the uninsured. By making sure insurance covers people who are most at risk, there will be less uncompensated care, and, as a result, the amount of cost shifting to those who have coverage today will be reduced by up to $1 billion in 2013. By making sure that high-risk individuals have insurance and emphasizing health care that prevents illnesses from becoming serious, long-term health problems, the law will also reduce the cost of avoidable hospitalizations. Prioritizing prevention without cost sharing could also result in significant savings: from lowering people’s out-of-pocket spending to lowering costs due to conditions like obesity, and to increasing worker productivity – today, increased sickness and lack of coverage security reduce economic output by $260 billion per year.

Given the importance of the new protections and the facts about their impact on costs, I ask for your help in stopping misinformation and scare tactics about the Affordable Care Act. Moreover, I want AHIP’s members to be put on notice: the Administration, in partnership with states, will not tolerate unjustified rate hikes in the name of consumer protections.

Already, my Department has provided 46 states with resources to strengthen the review and transparency of proposed premiums. Later this fall, we will issue a regulation that will require state or federal review of all potentially unreasonable rate increases filed by health insurers, with the justification for increases posted publicly for consumers and employers. We will also keep track of insurers with a record of unjustified rate increases: those plans may be excluded from health insurance Exchanges in 2014. Simply stated, we will not stand idly by as insurers blame their premium hikes and increased profits on the requirement that they provide consumers with basic protections.

Americans want affordable and reliable health insurance, and it is our job to make it happen. We worked hard to change the system to help consumers. It is my hope we can work together to stop misinformation and misleading marketing from the start.

Sincerely,

Kathleen Sebelius

HHS to insurers: Don't blame us for your rates - Yahoo! News

This is the kind of shit that happens when you give Government to much control over the Private sector.

This amounts to censorship. She is saying SHUT THE FUCK ABOUT the FACT that part of the rise in rates is Directly do to our new law, Or we will cut you out of the action in 2014.

Exactly what the Founders NEVER wanted to see the Feds be capable of.

Despicable.

 

[boedicca]

I noticed the left's only defense for this Brown Shirt action is that those Fat-Cats need to be punished for making money in America.

Only Democrat friends and Union members are allowed to make huge amounts of cash in this country now. Profits are nolonger allowed for those who don't do what they're told. Get with the program and they'll make sure you can make a living as long as it's controlled.

There is nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making obscene amounts of money that comes at the expense of people who HAVE health insurance and still can't get the care they need, just because it could hurt the bottom line of insurance companies. Anyone who defends insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves for defending such behavior in this country.

Good post!

It goes farther and deeper than morality. What these insurance cartels are doing is a violation the whole concept of a free market. In a true free market, you can't get rich by making other people poor. Unless everyone benefits, it is not a true free market, it is a captured market, a perversion of that critical tenet.

What is true irony...it is socialism, for corporations.

Wrong. There is no system in which EVERYONE BENEFITS. Some people, by their own choices, don't want to benefit. Some people opt out of participating. A standard that EVERYONE BENEFITS is unobtainable utopianism which is unachievable in any reality.

 

[Charles_Main]

The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.

 

[RDD_1210]

The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.

Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..

 

[Charles_Main]

The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.

Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..

So you honestly think there are no people in this country. Who could afford to insure themselves but choose instead to have large screen TV's. high speed internet, 2 cars, and all the modern gadgets?

Sure there are people that genuinely need help, but there are people who could afford it themselves but simply choose to spend their money on other things. Especially among people 18 to 26. Who are counted in the number of uninsured, but who if single could insure themselves for about 150 bucks a month. Which when compared to all the things we spend our money on each month. Is not much at all.

 

[RDD_1210]

The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.

Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..

So you honestly think there are no people in this country. Who could afford to insure themselves but choose instead to have large screen TV's. high speed internet, 2 cars, and all the modern gadgets?

Sure there are people that genuinely need help, but there are people who could afford it themselves but simply choose to spend their money on other things. Especially among people 18 to 26. Who are counted in the number of uninsured, but who if single could insure themselves for about 150 bucks a month. Which when compared to all the things we spend our money on each month. Is not much at all.

Of course there are people like you describe. But rejecting healthcare reform which would help millions of people who genuinely DO need help because of these people is ridiculous. Healthcare reform is MUCH more then helping people who don't have insurance, it's about making sure people who already have insurance receive they care they need and have paid for when they need it.

 

[boedicca]

No, it's not about that. It's about expanding the scope of government control over The People, and replacing the Rule of Law with the Whim of the Bureaucrat.

 

[Jack Fate]

Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.

 

[Charles_Main]

The plain truth is some people do not deserve to benefit. Some people are unwilling to even try to help themselves.

Spoken like someone who has no clue how healthcare in this country works. I guess you're lucky that you've never had cancer before and been denied claims. Consider yourself very lucky..

I was talking about those people, Many 18 to 25 years old. Who are healthy and could get insurance for about 150 bucks a month, but do not. Then have 2 cars, Cell phones, High speed internet, and all the other modern gadgets of life. Sure there are people who need help, but there are also people who could help themselves and choose not to. When they count the uninsured the do not discriminate between those who genuinely can not afford it, and those who could afford it and choose not to get it.

PLEASE

Don't talk to me like I do not know how it is asshole. You do not know me. I do not have insurance. My mother who is still not old enough for medicare. Does not have insurance and has A plastic Anemia and recently had a mastectomy because of Breast cancer.

So far the "evil" hospitals and doctors have FORGIVEN 112,000 dollars in bills she has racked up. Simply called up and said. You are off the hook We will use it as a write off. She also gets free drugs provided by an evil Pharmaceutical company. Who have agreed to provide her and several other local patients with her disorder drug therapy for the rest of their lives for free.

So do not talk to me like you know me, or what I have been through. My mother is exactly the kind of person who could be hurt by the Rationing that a Government controlled health care for all will lead to. She has a Chronic Disorder which is almost 100% survivable but which requires expensive long term treatment and blood infusions to keep her alive. It is exactly that kind of person who has reason to fear this bill. It is exactly that kind of person who stands to not get the best possible treatment as bureaucrats scramble to cut costs.

 

[WillowTree]

stick the 'marxist' shit up your ass you morally bankrupt scum bag and answer my question...how do you define rough?

rough is when you izz sitting in da basement and mummy has to pay for your 26 year old ass, and if mummy don't do it "we the people" must do it. That's rough. Rough is when we the people are forced to pay for stupid fucking heroin addicts to go in and get their methadone injections. Fuck all you leeches.

let's face reality. Using your "logic", i would be the one paying for your health insurance, since i have a job, and you in fact, don't.

Funny how you claim to be against people mooching off of others when you are doing this very thing to all of us who actually work.

fail.

 

[Annie]

No, it's not about that. It's about expanding the scope of government control over The People, and replacing the Rule of Law with the Whim of the Bureaucrat.

The more we look at the plan, they less we like it. (We is not just conservatives, as many of the Democrats are now realizing):

Pajamas Media Get Ready for Your Health Care ‘Re-Education’

Get Ready for Your Health Care ‘Re-Education’
Posted By Paul Hsieh On September 14, 2010 @ 12:00 am In Uncategorized | 56 Comments

After Congress passed ObamaCare, senior Democratic leaders predicted that public opposition would fade and voters would reward congressional supporters in the November elections.

However, the exact opposite has occurred. Opinion polls show that ObamaCare remains deeply unpopular with the American people [1], because it will limit their freedoms, reduce their access to quality medical care, and raise their health care costs.

Democratic congressional candidates now regard health care as toxic for their re-election chances [2]. Those who had voted for ObamaCare are running away from that fact, whereas the few Democrats who voted against ObamaCare now use it as a selling point in their campaigns.

But rather than acknowledging that their health care plan is fundamentally flawed, the Obama administration is trying to pretend that the problem is merely one of bad public relations. Hence, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has stated that “we have a lot of re-education to do [3].”

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Lots of links and issues in remainder of piece.

 

[RDD_1210]

Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.

Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

 

[boedicca]

Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.

Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

No they don't. A lot of people would rather have no frills policies where they have copayments in order to lower their premiums. ObamaCare forces a one-sized fits all model that will end up fitting nobody.

 

[Jack Fate]

Making sure people have coverage after paying their premiums is fine, but that is not what this "health care reform" accomplished. Forcing the American people to buy health insurance is not reform. This congress and this president did not "reform" health care. They ruined it. That's why the American people are going to reject this entire mess on Nov 2.

Actually it's EXACTLY what this bill has helped to accomplish. You may not like everything that is in the bill, but what it has done in removing exclusions based upon preexisting conditions and removing caps on coverage limits directly impacts helping people who DO have insurance.

Your pals didn't have to force all of us to buy coverage. That's where your pals overstepped their bounds and that is why they are going to get tossed out on thier asses on Nov 2. Do you understand that?