Threat of Fascism in American Politics

[FuelRod]

Uncensored2008, you are as mentally handicapped as Marauder, who thinks that posting about how the Tea Party is fascist is fascist because everyone is saying. People agreeing is NOT fascism Marauder, you need to work on reading comprehension.

First I did not bring up government bailouts to align them with the Tea Party. But to demonstrate how Obama is NOT a marxist, socialist, terrorist sleeping cell, if he were then the government would OWN these industries. You picked up on this though good work, if you were in 3rd grade. I think it was you who asked how many times I voted for Obama, the answer is 0 I did not vote because both candidates were so appalling that I could not pick between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

The rest of the Tea Party supporters who posted on this thread, unfortunately, demonstrated my point they are utterly brain dead. None of them offered one piece of evidence to counter my claim the tea party is fascist. To refresh my examples:

1. Tea Party Leaders want business to be the lone voice of politics in America
Example: Tea Party supports making unions illegal. Unions is a faction of workers that protect the interest of workers. Just as lobbyists protect the interest of corporations. By making it illegal for workers to unionize they are stripping a group of citizens their right for political agency. This is fascist because the idea is the rights of corporations are the only rights that need be represented in government.

2. Fox News is a right wing propaganda network being used to influence people, by telling their viewers what candidates are acceptable to vote for. This supplements my claim because its a network on public TV that does not identify as being a spokesperson for right wing politics. Fox makes their viewers believe you are conservative or a terrorist/commie, there is not middle ground on Fox.

3. The Tea Party is funded by extremely wealthy individuals. One of them is Rupert Murdoch, who owns Newcorp, which includes Fox News. Clearly, one mind set is at work

Conclusion: When you have a party that does not believe in the right of the people to participate in government, and uses a propaganda network, passed off as "fair and balanced", and funded by the largest contributor to a party or movement, one set of values is being implemented as law. This is fascism.

I have made an argument. Marauder, Uncensored, and the rest of you who disagreed with my claims, you have provided no evidence other than "fuck you". However, despite what the crank to operate puppets on Fox say, "fuck you" is not evidence. It's an insult.

Marauder I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by calling you a retard, but you have not proved otherwise. Uncensored you too are an idiot. Both of you have ZERO reading comprehension and debate skills. Neither of you have offered evidence to disprove my claim, you told me to stop talking about it, i.e. "fuck off" My point is thus proven, Tea Party supporters, Fox News junkies, conservatives, or whatever it is you want to refer to yourself as do not know how to do more than masturbate to photos of Glen Beck.

Spoken like a "Man of the People." Who is this douchebag?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored2008, you are as mentally handicapped as Marauder,

I'll take that as a compliment.

who thinks that posting about how the Tea Party is fascist is fascist because everyone is saying.

You don't know what fascism is. You are an idiot leftist who thinks that your hatred makes the other side "fascist."

Now listen up, stupid - the transfer of trillions of dollars from the public coffers to private looters is fascism.

Who did that? The Tea Parties? Ya fucking moron.

The Tea Parties are PROTESTING the fascist acts, shit fer brains.

First I did not bring up government bailouts to align them with the Tea Party.

The bailouts are fascism, stupid.

But to demonstrate how Obama is NOT a marxist, socialist, terrorist sleeping cell

Obama is a fascist, dumbfuck.

He is what you accuse the Tea Party of, stupid.

I think it was you who asked how many times I voted for Obama, the answer is 0 I did not vote because both candidates were so appalling that I could not pick between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

Amazing, usually one as stupid as you cast several ballots for Obama..

1. Tea Party Leaders want business to be the lone voice of politics in America
Example: Tea Party supports making unions illegal.

That's a fucking lie.

2. Fox News is a right wing propaganda network being used to influence people,

Of course, they fail to be managed by the DNC - SHUT THEM DOWN...

by telling their viewers what candidates are acceptable to vote for.

Matthews would never do that over at MSDNC..

3. The Tea Party is funded by extremely wealthy individuals One of them is Rupert Murdoch, who owns Newcorp, which includes Fox News. Clearly, one mind set is at work.

Do you just make shit up, or are you getting this from a leftist hate site?

You're a fucking moron.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Spoken like a "Man of the People." Who is this douchebag?

Some young dumbass kid who cannot dazzle with brilliance, so he tries to baffle with bullshit using long, off-topic, ad hominem, verbose straw man arguments and replies.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Neither of you have offered evidence to disprove my claim

You have offered NO evidence to support your claim.

It's your claim, it's up to you to back it - not for others to prove a negative.

Another logical fallacy of the lazy and bereft of intellect imbecile such as yourself. You're so ignorant and stupid, you don't even know you're using the worst logical fallacies in existence.

 

[hst_patriot]

Anachronism, you get the prize for having one of the better posts. I understand the grey area, I'll use the union example from my previous post. Unions can do both shitty and good things to his country as can corporations. In American style democracy both factions are supposed to be represented, but not under Tea Party ideas. When I am critical of Fox News, it is because their network takes the stance union bad, corporation good.

Most people's values are greatly influenced by their family. My political conscious, and my notion of right and wrong come from this group. I am accusing the Tea Party of putting a mask of liberty and democracy over the face of fascism, defining democracy and liberty as what is more commonly defined as fascism.

Maybe my point is being misinterpreted. Do Tea Party supporters realize they are calling for a fascist US government, and that's what they want, or are they just stupid? It's obvious that fascism is the goal of this organization.

Oh and a P.S. to Uncensored, you should try reading some books, essays actually; Common Sense, Rights of Man, and The Age of Reason, all by Thomas Paine. Also, federalist and anti-federalist papers, by various Founding Fathers. If you actually read them you will find out just how far the Tea Party deviates from the democracy implemented after the American Revolution.

 

[hst_patriot]

Ok Marauder, you have been upgraded to fucktard. I have offered evidence several times. I call you names because you cannot accomplish a task that is required by a 6th grader. Your inability to cite one instance where the Tea Party is not fascist proves this.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Maybe my point is being misinterpreted. Do Tea Party supporters realize they are calling for a fascist US government, and that's what they want, or are they just stupid? It's obvious that fascism is the goal of this organization.

This is your opinion. You have given nothing in the way of evidence to back it.

I have not disagreed with your position. I haven't agreed with it either. Pointing out this same argument has been debated here many times before you again posted it does not mean I disagree with it. Pointing out your logical fallacies does not mean I disagree.

Looks like your skin is as thin as your argument!

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Ok Marauder, you have been upgraded to fucktard. I have offered evidence several times. I call you names because you cannot accomplish a task that is required by a 6th grader. Your inability to cite one instance where the Tea Party is not fascist proves this.

You don't ask people to prove a negative. That's a infantile fallacy.

And again, you have posted NO evidence at all which supports your opinion. You have posted ONLY opinion.

It's still YOUR assertion to prove, not for others to disprove.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Here's your entire argument in a nutshell:

An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

 

[hst_patriot]

Uncensored: You don't know what fascism is. You are an idiot leftist who thinks that your hatred makes the other side "fascist.""

HST: Ok, why don't you supply a definition.

Uncensored:Now listen up, stupid - the transfer of trillions of dollars from the public coffers to private looters is fascism.

HST: derp. And so is believing that only business should be represented by government. Give me one instance were the tea party is against this.

Uncensored: Who did that? The Tea Parties? Ya fucking moron.

HST: Never said they did. Reading comprehension is important.



Uncensored:The Tea Parties are PROTESTING the fascist acts, shit fer brains.

HST: Untrue, just like everything else in your post.


Uncensored:The bailouts are fascism, stupid.
HST: DERP I said that. Bush is also a fascist by this logic, he bailed them out first.


Uncensored:Obama is a fascist, dumbfuck.
HST: no he's a pussy

Uncensored:Amazing, usually one as stupid as you cast several ballots for Obama..
That's a fucking lie.

HST: Really? Do you have a polygraph?

Uncensored:Of course, they fail to be managed by the DNC - SHUT THEM DOWN...

HST:your referring to me calling Fox a propaganda network. I don't want the democrats to run things. The US must balance business with human rights, that is what our foundation is about. Read some late 18th early 19th century literature you fucking tool.

Uncensored: by telling their viewers what candidates are acceptable to vote for.
Matthews would never do that over at MSDNC..

HST: MSNBC sucks too. The difference is Matthews is a liberal being liberal, while tea partiers are fascist pretending to be libertarians.

3. The Tea Party is funded by extremely wealthy individuals One of them is Rupert Murdoch, who owns Newcorp, which includes Fox News. Clearly, one mind set is at work.

Uncensoredo you just make shit up, or are you getting this from a leftist hate site?

HST: No. I got it from the national archive that catalogs campaign contributions. The Tea Party hasn't taken over yet, this is still a democracy.

Uncensored: You're a fucking moron.[/QUOTE]

HST: If I'm a moron you are a paramecium, do you know what that is?

 

[hst_patriot]

Here's your entire argument in a nutshell:

An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

If you support the Tea Party you are supporting fascism. You can argue that fascism is a good idea. However, if you tried to do that I would have to remind you that the founding of our constitution is based in democracy. Therefore, there is no place for fascism or the tea party in America, if you support the Tea Party move to China, there nation is much more aligned with tea party ideology.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Here's your entire argument in a nutshell:

An association fallacy is an inductive informal fallacy of the type hasty generalization or red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association. The two types are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association. Association fallacies are a special case of red herring, and can be based on an appeal to emotion.

If you support the Tea Party you are supporting fascism. You can argue that fascism is a good idea. However, if you tried to do that I would have to remind you that the founding of our constitution is based in democracy. Therefore, there is no place for fascism or the tea party in America, if you support the Tea Party move to China, there nation is much more aligned with tea party ideology.

Actually, it's not. You won't find the words "democracy," "democratic," or even "democrat" anywhere in any of our founding documents.

You WILL however find these in the Federalist Papers, where the framers and founders warned us AGAINST democracy. Unlike you, I have actually read them.

The United States is a representative republic with democratically elected officials. NOT a democracy.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

If you support the Tea Party you are supporting fascism.

Again, your opinion. Which you have offered nothing at all but fallacies of logic, to try to float.

 

[hst_patriot]

And Marauder, you stupid fuck, I have listed evidence, several times.

The tea party is funded by extremely wealthy people, the most prominent financial supporter of their movement controls a media outlet that makes their values appear as truth while claiming to be "fair and balanced" (Fact: Murdoch is number one contributor to the Tea Party), is an organization that believes one faction; business, industry, corporatists aught to control politics (Example: Wants to make it illegal for workers to have political agency).

Where is your evidence. Or is your evidence that you are illiterate?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

And Marauder, you stupid fuck, I have listed evidence, several times.

The tea party is funded by extremely wealthy people, the most prominent financial supporter of their movement controls a media outlet that makes their values appear as truth while claiming to be "fair and balanced" (Fact: Murdoch is number one contributor to the Tea Party), is an organization that believes one faction; business, industry, corporatists aught to control politics (Example: Wants to make it illegal for workers to have political agency).

Where is your evidence. Or is your evidence that you are illiterate?

You have listed NO evidence. Only appeal to authority and opinion. Your argument not only is horribly flawed, it's also a very OLD allegation, going back at least a couple of years. So, it doesn't even have any originality.

Since I have made NO argument against your premise other than the flawed nature of it which is clearly demonstrated by yourself, I have no need to post any evidence. I have not disagreed with your opinion, only pointed out the flaws in your argument which are many.

In short, you're not convincing at all. And rather repetitious, unoriginal and boring actually. We have at least 100 or so cookie cutter morons just like you posting here. Nothing special.

 

[hst_patriot]

How did you ever pass American history? Oh wait, I forgot that Marauder is a semi functioning retard. You obviously failed it.

Prior to the American Revolution, poor in England were not represented in Parliament, which is also representative government. The concept of democracy, developed in England first, and later used in the crafting of the Constitution, was elaborated in the belief that every individual has the right to agency in government. So uh yeah, democracy is essential in the foundations of American political philosophy

Federalist and Anti-Federalist debate is about if the US should be a unified nation or a nation made of separate states. The result was a compromise, i.e. state and federal rights exist in the US. Individuals are promised certain rights to ensure their agency in government by the federal government. Clearly you didn't read, or you had Glen Beck read it when he tucks you in at night.

Yes it is my opinion that the Tea Party is fascist, but I'm explaining my opinion. You are just making yourself look like an uneducated hillbilly.

 

[Rogo]

Good grief...

 

[hst_patriot]

WOW. I just had an aneurism on account of your stupidity. Just because someone has made an argument before doesn't make it wrong. In fact it demonstrates there is validity to my argument, because I'm NOT the only one who is realizing the fascism in the tea party. You just proved me right again. Thanks.

You offer no definition of fascism and cannot say my logic is flawed because you have not offered any of your own. You assert that because many people on this board agree with me that I am wrong, which seems like flawed logic to me.


PS I am boring because you need to sharpen your reading comprehension, vocabulary, and debate skills.

PPS You should really run for office as a tea party candidate. You make a nematode appear to be able to solve complex calculus problems, by comparison.

 

[Rogo]

Wait... this is a Tea Party website?

 

[hst_patriot]

Spoken like a "Man of the People." Who is this douchebag?

I am a libertarian. I believe in the foundations of the Constitution, where individual right is a major construct, for example, the bill of rights.

I am not denying that industry and a free market are bad. I am arguing, the literature that influenced the writing of the constitution also viewed every citizen has the right to agency in the government.

Tea Partiers are saying; "we need to give business more leniency," and they don't mean small independent business, they mean big corporate business. "They need these tax breaks," even though the mistakes of those involved with business lead us in to this recession/depression, and contribute to the unemployment rate by moving jobs to China.

"We need to disband unions, because they hinder business," and that way we can go back to the days when 8 year olds worked in coal mines and textile factories, or when sausages at the supermarket had human fingers in them, and medicine could be toxic.

The notion that we should allow business to have anymore right than it does now is... well, more retarded than Marauder and Uncensored, and its fascist because individuals have no right to agency, therefore forced to be subservient to a corporate order, with no ability to determine life in this nation, again fascism explained.