Threat of Fascism in American Politics

[hst_patriot]

So I've noticed. You would think these people would take more stock in themselves as human beings. It's one thing to be an armchair politician, but its another to be an armchair politician who doesn't understand how a debate works.

It's reasons expressed in my previous post, ignorance, and apathy, that have turned this country into the mess it is today, and the Tea Party is using this ignorance to take more away for American citizens. You hide behind Fox News TV personality and imitate what they say without even understanding it, If no one will debate me then you are only proving you are incapable of making a thought unless its jammed into your skull by a television set.

I will be gone for a few hours and will gladly review any comments when I return. If I disagree, but your argument is based on reason and logic, I will not treat you like Marauder. In fact I will commend you, because you will be the first Tea Party supporter, EVER, who is capable of a proper debate.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Our entire gov't is fascist, no point in singling out a tiny group.

Are you claiming the the merger of General Motors and Chrysler with the Federal Government is somehow "fascist?"

April 6, 2011​

"The blockbuster initial public offering of General Motors Co (GM.N) has refueled investors' appetite for the long-ignored auto sector and bodes well for other sector companies expected to tap the public market after sweeping restructurings.

The U.S. auto industry, which emerged from the punishing downturn of the late 2000s with sharply lower costs and higher profit potential, could see a robust pipeline of new equity offerings in the next 12-18 months, senior equity capital markets and M&A bankers said at the Reuters Global Mergers and Acquisitions Summit in New York."

GM IPO Bodes Well​

 

[FuelRod]

Jeannie Garofellow said it? Oh I'm sold.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[

Looks pretty close to me!

I can't think of any way in which that's NOT the case.

 

[hst_patriot]

Every politician is corrupt. Business, which the tea party wants to hand control of our nation to, corrupts them. Defend yourselves on my post. I want answers to yall's madness!

 

[Avatar4321]

A person who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool. A person who takes offense when offense is intended is a bigger fool.

Life's too short to let people have that kind of control over your life.

 

[xotoxi]

the Tea Party is about to adulterate a libertarian classic; Atlas Shrugged?

Ayn Rand is pissed.

Dear Mr. Patriot,

You are correct. I am pissed.

Yours truly,

 

[WillowTree]

Jeannie Garofellow said it? Oh I'm sold.

Oh me too. Sign me up.

 

[WillowTree]

If you stopped doing MJ long enough to allow your brain to function adequately, you would know that even the ACLU has failed to find any actual evidence of racism in the TEA Parties.... that'll be because they are not racist.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik]YouTube - Janeane Garofalo declares Tea Party attendees racist and Keith Olbermann agrees.[/ame]​

Oh snap! owned.

oh snap,, what's olbernut doing these days??

 

[Two Thumbs]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[

Looks pretty close to me!

Then you lack reading comprehension.

Who sent union thugs to bully and beat people? SEIU, and their leader has been to the WH more than anyone.

Who started an illegal war not long ago? Obama

Damn you just described the DNC.

grats

 

[Two Thumbs]

Not really, I'm saying they are. Someone please tell me how they are not. I want: a) a quotation from a leading figure of the tea party where they define democracy, liberty and/or freedom, i.e. do not simply list these concepts as their platform but discuss what one or more of these concepts means. b) an example where Tea Party politics demonstrate the concept(s) of democracy, liberty, and/or freedom. c) an explanation of why their actions are synonymous with democracy, liberty, and/or freedom.

If my demands are not met then I will continue to denounce the tea party as fascist.

I think you may be right......

From Dictionary.com

fas·cist   /ˈfæʃɪst/ Show Spelled
[fash-ist] Show IPA

–noun
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

And, here's something from wikipedia........

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[3] They advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation and the creation of an ideal "new man" to form a governing elite through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right.[9][10][11][12][13]

Fascists exalt violence, war, and militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through the military service.[14] Fascists view violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[15]

Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-conservative, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, and in many cases anti-capitalist.[16] Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[17] In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[18] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[19] They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system

Now, considering that the teabaggers themselves are corporate sponsored (Dick Army and the Koch brothers), as well as farther to the right than most GOP types, yeah.....they ARE fascists.

What Pres owns GM? Obama.

You also just described the DNC.

grats.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Midnight Marauder, let me get this straight you are using a Goebbels, who was a fascist, furthermore a NAZI, to defend the position that the Tea Party is not fascist. Are you arguing for fascism or are you just a retard?

I'm not making that claim, taking that position, nor have I. YOU are exibiting symptoms of Goebbels. Obviously you cannot read or comprehend what you read.

 

[Two Thumbs]

If you stopped doing MJ long enough to allow your brain to function adequately, you would know that even the ACLU has failed to find any actual evidence of racism in the TEA Parties.... that'll be because they are not racist.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHMDpk7Ik]YouTube - Janeane Garofalo declares Tea Party attendees racist and Keith Olbermann agrees.[/ame]​

Oh snap! owned.

A double fail.

shaman gave no links for the pics, for the chain email style picks.

And you morons think that has been comedian is a font of truth.

good lord

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I will be gone for a few hours and will gladly review any comments when I return. If I disagree, but your argument is based on reason and logic, I will not treat you like Marauder. In fact I will commend you, because you will be the first Tea Party supporter, EVER, who is capable of a proper debate.

As soon as you show us all where I've ever supported the "Tea Party" you might then have a point. (Hint: You can't, because it never happened.)

You don't know the first thing about "proper debate," otherwise, your entire premise wouldn't be the infantile straw man argument it is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Midnight Marauder, let me get this straight you are using a Goebbels, who was a fascist, furthermore a NAZI, to defend the position that the Tea Party is not fascist. Are you arguing for fascism or are you just a retard?

You are in no position to call others "retard."

Was it the "Tea Party" which merged General Motors and the Federal Government? Did the Tea Party SUPPORT such merger? Did the Tea Party promote and support the TARP bailout of Goldman Sachs and Chase Manhattan?

You're a fucking fool without a hint of a clue.

Turn off Madcow and pick up a book.

 

[Uncensored2008]

the Tea Party is about to adulterate a libertarian classic; Atlas Shrugged?

Ayn Rand is pissed.

Atlas is an Objectivist classic. Rand hated Rothbard and the Libertarians. Rothbard called Rand and her Objectivists a cult.

You are completely clueless.

 

[Uncensored2008]

the book sucked

ayn rand sucked

You're more of a "Green Eggs and Ham" guy, huh?

 

[Anachronism]

Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

Looks pretty close to me!

Sounds pretty darn good to me.

So I've noticed. You would think these people would take more stock in themselves as human beings. It's one thing to be an armchair politician, but its another to be an armchair politician who doesn't understand how a debate works.

Debate is a waste of time for those of us who live in a world without "Grey" in it. There are two options.... Right and Wrong. The boundaries of each have long since been determined. Therefore there is no need to "debate" anything. It is only those who inject "Grey" into a Black & White world who see the need for debate on topics.

It's reasons expressed in my previous post, ignorance, and apathy, that have turned this country into the mess it is today, and the Tea Party is using this ignorance to take more away for American citizens. You hide behind Fox News TV personality and imitate what they say without even understanding it, If no one will debate me then you are only proving you are incapable of making a thought unless its jammed into your skull by a television set.

If I know that Up is Up and Down is Down; why would I have to have a debate with you or anyone else on that topic? Is my mind going to be changed?.... No. Is your mind going to be changed?.... No. So why waste the time debating it?

Oh, and my viewpoint on Up and Down doesn't come from Fox News. It comes from my upbringing and what I was taught by my parents, grandparents, etc...

 

[hst_patriot]

Uncensored2008, you are as mentally handicapped as Marauder, who thinks that posting about how the Tea Party is fascist, is fascist because everyone is saying. People agreeing is NOT fascism Marauder, you need to work on reading comprehension.

First I did not bring up government bailouts to align them with the Tea Party. But to demonstrate how Obama is NOT a marxist, socialist, terrorist sleeping cell, if he were then the government would OWN these industries. You picked up on this though good work, if you were in 3rd grade. I think it was you who asked how many times I voted for Obama, the answer is 0 I did not vote because both candidates were so appalling that I could not pick between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

The rest of the Tea Party supporters who posted on this thread, unfortunately, demonstrated my point they are utterly brain dead. None of them offered one piece of evidence to counter my claim the tea party is fascist. To refresh my examples:

1. Tea Party Leaders want business to be the lone voice of politics in America
Example: Tea Party supports making unions illegal. Unions is a faction of workers that protect the interest of workers. Just as lobbyists protect the interest of corporations. By making it illegal for workers to unionize they are stripping a group of citizens their right for political agency. This is fascist because the idea is the rights of corporations are the only rights that need be represented in government.

2. Fox News is a right wing propaganda network being used to influence people, by telling their viewers what candidates are acceptable to vote for. This supplements my claim because its a network on public TV that does not identify as being a spokesperson for right wing politics. Fox makes their viewers believe you are conservative or a terrorist/commie, there is not middle ground on Fox.

3. The Tea Party is funded by extremely wealthy individuals. One of them is Rupert Murdoch, who owns Newcorp, which includes Fox News. Clearly, one mind set is at work

Conclusion: When you have a party that does not believe in the right of the people to participate in government, and uses a propaganda network, passed off as "fair and balanced", and funded by the largest contributor to a party or movement, one set of values is being implemented as law. This is fascism.

I have made an argument. Marauder, Uncensored, and the rest of you who disagreed with my claims, you have provided no evidence other than "fuck you". However, despite what the crank to operate puppets on Fox say, "fuck you" is not evidence. It's an insult.

Marauder I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by calling you a retard, but you have not proved otherwise. Uncensored you too are an idiot. Both of you have ZERO reading comprehension and debate skills. Neither of you have offered evidence to disprove my claim, you told me to stop talking about it, i.e. "fuck off" My point is thus proven, Tea Party supporters, Fox News junkies, conservatives, or whatever it is you want to refer to yourself as do not know how to do more than masturbate to photos of Glen Beck.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

People agreeing is NOT fascism Marauder, you need to work on reading comprehension.

You continue to simply outright lie about what was said. Agreeing was never brought up. Regurgitating the talking point du jour endlessly, repeatedly, obviously believing in Goebbels techniques, was. Repeating the same thing over and over does not validate it or make it true, and also does not make it agreed with.