Thoughts. Porn, good, bad or indifferent?

[DvDud1]

I'm no prude, believe me...but the prevalence of porn IS a problem where our young people are concerned

If porn is a big problem for kids, what is the porn causing them to do? I live in a large city and the number of cases where a pre-teen or teen girl is all tied up, greased up, and sodomized is remarkably low. In fact I cannot think of an example.

You're misrepresenting what I said, Stickem...
"...that Little Johnny next door...(is) starting to think that your daughter would look pretty good all tied up, greased up, and sodomized like the girl in that movie he saw"...
In other words, I'm stating that viewing graphic hardcore pornography at a young age can contribute to kids getting a warped/distorted view of sexuality, also disrespect and a disconnect toward the opposite sex.
Do you dispute that?
There's no shortage of information available on the subject, and actually common sense should be able to tell you that porn may distort the way some kids come to view sex, but as for links-I'll let you hunt for them...you can google "children, pornography" if you'd like, I'll pass.

 

[catzmeow]

I think porn is an easy scapegoat for the unthinkable. But, I don't think the two are connected. Nor do I believe that censoring free speech would make my daughter safer.

 

[catzmeow]

You're misrepresenting what I said, Stickem...
"...that Little Johnny next door...(is) starting to think that your daughter would look pretty good all tied up, greased up, and sodomized like the girl in that movie he saw"...
In other words, I'm stating that viewing graphic hardcore pornography at a young age can contribute to kids getting a warped/distorted view of sexuality, also disrespect and a disconnect toward the opposite sex.
Do you dispute that?
There's no shortage of information available on the subject, and actually common sense should be able to tell you that porn may distort the way some kids come to view sex, but as for links-I'll let you hunt for them...you can google "children, pornography" if you'd like, I'll pass.

I think you are being hyperbolic regarding the extent of the problem.

 

[RodISHI]

My philosophy is the following: Raise the kids in such a manner that they are strong in their morals and principles. If a kid can be strong in their beliefs, the child can be protected from the onslaught of peer pressure. Also I'm of the mind that kids should work hard -- "The idle mind is the devil's playground."

There will always be kids who will stray far from the path no matter how much time and effort you spend on them, but the children who have the most problems are the ones from broken homes where parental supervision is not in abundance. We can only do our best and hope for the best.

It can happen even with families with two parents. If the parents preoccupied to spend time with their children or actually watch them. Which is the case in many homes throughout the country. The majority of families now have both mom and dad working FT to make ends meet. Then looking back one family on our block where the mom stayed home and the dad worked was a mess. That particular mom would be classified as "religious fruitcake". She went so far over board her boys went totally the opposite direction.

Yes, you're right about that. I know this one family that is completely intact and both the mother and father came from good families. The problem is that both the parents are so meek that the children run the house. I hear smart things coming out of one of the kid's mouth, but neither parent says anything about it. It's sad because the children are basically, but when you sit idly by and let children behave poorly, it doesn't bode well for the kids.

Mine still remember 'picking their own switches' and mom's backhand. It was rare but occassionally warranted. I'll post a poem my daughter wrote for me when she was 11. The line about the "mean ole witch saying go pick a switch" will give you an idea how strict I was. Then if you ask either of them if they can recall getting spanked neither can. It was the humility of having to pick the switch to get swattted with that got to them. Although son recalls my back hand in the car one day when he was 14. Even now he says he deserved a heck of a lot more than that.

Parents that let their children rule over themselves aren't doing them any favors.

 

[catzmeow]

The actors are usually ugly and they make these fake noises that get me laughing more than anything else.

The standard women of porn and their "O" faces are indeed laughable.

This is a very timely discussion because my son happened onto some porn on the internet a few weeks ago. I always look through the history on the computer, so of course, I figured out relatively quickly what he'd been doing. I use firefox, so I installed some censors that should limit his opportunities to view porn.

I don't believe that he is now significantly more likely to sodomize someone. I think he was curious about sex, saw some people having sex, and had his curiousity satisfied.

I see it as NORMAL, not something to have a freak out about.

 

[catzmeow]

Mine still remember 'picking their own switches' and mom's backhand. It was rare but occassionally warranted. I'll post a poem my daughter wrote for me when she was 11. The line about the "mean ole witch saying go pick a switch" will give you an idea how strict I was. Then if you ask either of them if they can recall getting spanked neither can. It was the humility of having to pick the switch to get swattted with that got to them. Although son recalls my back hand in the car one day when he was 14. Even now he says he deserved a heck of a lot more than that.

Parents that let their children rule over themselves aren't doing them any favors.

The ironic aspect of your comments is that there is a VERY STRONG correlation between the type of discipline you used with your children and later sexual victimization.

After analysing the results of four studies, Straus came to the conclusion that spanking and other corporal punishment by parents are associated with an increased probability of three sexual problems as a teen or adult - Verbally and physically coercing a dating partner to have sex; Risky sex such as premarital sex without a condom; and Masochistic sex such as being aroused by being spanked when having sex.

“These results, together with the results of more than 100 other studies, suggest that spanking is one of the roots of relationship violence and mental health problems. Because there is 93 percent agreement between studies that investigated harmful side effects of spanking, and because over 90 percent of U.S. parents spank toddlers, the potential benefits for prevention of sexual and relationship violence is large,” Straus says.

Spanking kids can cause sexual problems later in life

Children who learn to experience love from their parents in the form of physical pain and emotional humiliation REPEAT THAT PATTERN IN THEIR INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS.
Try that one on for size.

More from the study:

Straus concludes that corporal punishment weakens the bond between the child and the parents. He believes that this alienation from parents may make teenagers less likely to avoid sex and less likely to follow safe sex practices.

Your daughter's poem affirms this finding.

 

[stekim]

In other words, I'm stating that viewing graphic hardcore pornography at a young age can contribute to kids getting a warped/distorted view of sexuality, also disrespect and a disconnect toward the opposite sex.

I suppose it could depending on what it was the people were doing. Just watching two people have sex isn't likely to do that. But as with most things it's not the fault of the porn. It's the fault of the other "p" word: "Parents". And I promise you parents screw up far more kids than porn. So I say we ban parents.

 

[manifold]

If one can't legislate in an effort to limit risk. Then tell me why does a society even have regulations, laws and rules in a society that people must live by? I mean surely if we cannot limit risk through legislation every should be allowed to dump their own trash as they see fit, right? I mean if we are going to have a loose society where everyone decides what's best for themselves regardless of how it may effect another why not just let everyone make all their own choices? Why should I have to abide in the speed limit when I have never had an accident speeding?

Of course you can mitigate risk with regulations, etc. I never said anything to the contrary. I said you cannot eliminate risk. Big difference. The rest is just strawman bullshit, no offense.

 

[catzmeow]

I promise you parents screw up far more kids than porn. So I say we ban parents.

I have to agree with you on this one. But then I would be banning myself, and who would take care of the children?

Are you volunteering?

 

[stekim]

The ironic aspect of your comments is that there is a VERY STRONG correlation between the type of discipline you used with your children and later sexual victimization.

Who are the wildest, most screwed up, most sexual kids in school (especially girls)? The ones with the strictest parents, of course. It's so cliche, but it's true. There are exceptions, of course, but show me someone raised in a very strict home and I'll show you someone with the clap.

 

[stekim]

I have to agree with you on this one. But then I would be banning myself, and who would take care of the children?

Are you volunteering?

In this case I think they are far better off with you. I don't have FireFox or use any filters. It blocks my porn.

 

[catzmeow]

Who are the wildest, most screwed up, most sexual kids in school (especially girls)? The ones with the strictest parents, of course. It's so cliche, but it's true. There are exceptions, of course, but show me someone raised in a very strict home and I'll show someone with the clap.

Yup. Been there, done that.

 

[RodISHI]

Mine still remember 'picking their own switches' and mom's backhand. It was rare but occassionally warranted. I'll post a poem my daughter wrote for me when she was 11. The line about the "mean ole witch saying go pick a switch" will give you an idea how strict I was. Then if you ask either of them if they can recall getting spanked neither can. It was the humility of having to pick the switch to get swattted with that got to them. Although son recalls my back hand in the car one day when he was 14. Even now he says he deserved a heck of a lot more than that.

Parents that let their children rule over themselves aren't doing them any favors.

The ironic aspect of your comments is that there is a VERY STRONG correlation between the type of discipline you used with your children and later sexual victimization.

After analysing the results of four studies, Straus came to the conclusion that spanking and other corporal punishment by parents are associated with an increased probability of three sexual problems as a teen or adult - Verbally and physically coercing a dating partner to have sex; Risky sex such as premarital sex without a condom; and Masochistic sex such as being aroused by being spanked when having sex.

“These results, together with the results of more than 100 other studies, suggest that spanking is one of the roots of relationship violence and mental health problems. Because there is 93 percent agreement between studies that investigated harmful side effects of spanking, and because over 90 percent of U.S. parents spank toddlers, the potential benefits for prevention of sexual and relationship violence is large,” Straus says.

Spanking kids can cause sexual problems later in life

Children who learn to experience love from their parents in the form of physical pain and emotional humiliation REPEAT THAT PATTERN IN THEIR INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS.
Try that one on for size.

More from the study:

Straus concludes that corporal punishment weakens the bond between the child and the parents. He believes that this alienation from parents may make teenagers less likely to avoid sex and less likely to follow safe sex practices.

Your daughter's poem affirms this finding.

That is funny since you have not read the whole poem Catz. You do manage to jump to conclusions on people you have a desire to be against though don't you. The poem actually tells me how much she loves me, yet you have not read it have you. Like I said, I'll post it when I come across it. Until then spew on.

 

[Sarah G]

The actors are usually ugly and they make these fake noises that get me laughing more than anything else.

The standard women of porn and their "O" faces are indeed laughable.

This is a very timely discussion because my son happened onto some porn on the internet a few weeks ago. I always look through the history on the computer, so of course, I figured out relatively quickly what he'd been doing. I use firefox, so I installed some censors that should limit his opportunities to view porn.

I don't believe that he is now significantly more likely to sodomize someone. I think he was curious about sex, saw some people having sex, and had his curiousity satisfied.

I see it as NORMAL, not something to have a freak out about.

How old is he?

 

[catzmeow]

That is funny since you have not read the whole poem Catz. You do manage to jump to conclusions on people you have a desire to be against though don't you. The poem actually tells me how much she loves me, yet you have not read it have you. Like I said, I'll post it when I come across it. Until then spew on.

It's easier to blame porn. Porn is evil and must be destroyed.

 

[RodISHI]

If one can't legislate in an effort to limit risk. Then tell me why does a society even have regulations, laws and rules in a society that people must live by? I mean surely if we cannot limit risk through legislation every should be allowed to dump their own trash as they see fit, right? I mean if we are going to have a loose society where everyone decides what's best for themselves regardless of how it may effect another why not just let everyone make all their own choices? Why should I have to abide in the speed limit when I have never had an accident speeding?

Of course you can mitigate risk with regulations, etc. I never said anything to the contrary. I said you cannot eliminate risk. Big difference. The rest is just strawman bullshit, no offense.

None taken. I do agree that we do the best we can to "mitigate risk" to children via regulation.

 

[catzmeow]

How old is he?

He's in 5th grade and recently discovered how much he enjoys his penis.

 

[catzmeow]

That is funny since you have not read the whole poem Catz. You do manage to jump to conclusions on people you have a desire to be against though don't you. The poem actually tells me how much she loves me, yet you have not read it have you. Like I said, I'll post it when I come across it. Until then spew on.

I'm sure she does love you, Rodishi. That doesn't remove the correlations between these types of discipline and later sexual victimization/risk-taking behavior.

 

[catzmeow]

None taken. I do agree that we do the best we can to "mitigate risk" to children via regulation.

What regulation do you propose that effective parenting wouldn't make irrelevant?

 

[RodISHI]

That is funny since you have not read the whole poem Catz. You do manage to jump to conclusions on people you have a desire to be against though don't you. The poem actually tells me how much she loves me, yet you have not read it have you. Like I said, I'll post it when I come across it. Until then spew on.

I'm sure she does love you, Rodishi. That doesn't remove the correlations between these types of discipline and later sexual victimization/risk-taking behavior.

Nothing more than your normal attempts to twist some bullshit here catz without really knowing jack-shit about someone. Is that really all you know how to do?