Thoughts. Porn, good, bad or indifferent?

[RodISHI]

LOL-that's cute, but if we only had to worry about our own kids on our own computers then increased vigilance and supervision would be the answer.
But kids will find access to computers outside the home, and just because you or I may choose to be careful about what OUR kids watch doesn't mean that Little Johnny next door isn't getting away with watching stuff that he shouldn't...and starting to think that your daughter would look pretty good all tied up, greased up, and sodomized like the girl in that movie he saw...

I'm no prude, believe me...but the prevalence of porn IS a problem where our young people are concerned

I'm sorry, but I think your panties have gotten into a wad that doesn't reflect reality. I have a 15-year-old and an 11-year-old. I'm pretty familiar with policing this particular realm. It isn't as difficult as you seem to believe it is. It ain't rocket science, that's for damn sure.

Catz do you have a daughter? I kept a pretty close eye on mine when they were teens. Then I did try to give them some freedom to as to not quash them. My daughter at 16 had a regular boyfriend. I would not learn until she was twenty why she suddenly broke the relationship off with this boy that was not a full year older than her. They went together for almost two years. My daughter did not want to tell Rod or I that he put her up against the wall and tried to force himself onto her and that is why she dumped him.

As much as you think you may have a line on what is up in your childrens lives, you could learn different one day down the road. No matter how close you try to keep tabs on their safety. Preventive measures to protect others less fortunate is not to much to ask from society as a whole.

 

[manifold]

Catz do you have a daughter? I kept a pretty close eye on mine when they were teens. Then I did try to give them some freedom to as to not quash them. My daughter at 16 had a regular boyfriend. I would not learn until she was twenty why she suddenly broke the relationship off with this boy that was not a full year older than her. They went together for almost two years. My daughter did not want to tell Rod or I that he put her up against the wall and tried to force himself onto her and that is why she dumped him.

And you blame that on porn?

Sounds to me like your daughter did the right thing so I don't know what you're complaining about. You can't legislate risk out of life.

 

[Shogun]

I knew you'd check it out.

Not bad huh?

Not too shabby. Much better than Ampland.com

 

[stekim]

Tell me is for you is "remarkably low" acceptable when it comes to someone being abuse, raped or sodomized?

Your post was barely in English, but I think I got the question. It's never acceptable. Hope that clears up my position on rape. I admit I was pro-rape for a while, but some folks on a board just like this made me change my opinion.

 

[RodISHI]

Catz do you have a daughter? I kept a pretty close eye on mine when they were teens. Then I did try to give them some freedom to as to not quash them. My daughter at 16 had a regular boyfriend. I would not learn until she was twenty why she suddenly broke the relationship off with this boy that was not a full year older than her. They went together for almost two years. My daughter did not want to tell Rod or I that he put her up against the wall and tried to force himself onto her and that is why she dumped him.

And you blame that on porn?

Sounds to me like your daughter did the right thing so I don't know what you're complaining about. You can't legislate risk out of life.

It was not a complaint. More like a point. For anyone to say it is does not "reflect on reality" elluding to the pretense that they have complete control over what their fifteen or eleven year old is exposed to, they are only fooling themselves. Believe it or not raising a child is more than "rocket science". Common sense plays a big part in it. It is more obvious than not that few have that in this day and age.

If one can't legislate in an effort to limit risk. Then tell me why does a society even have regulations, laws and rules in a society that people must live by? I mean surely if we cannot limit risk through legislation every should be allowed to dump their own trash as they see fit, right? I mean if we are going to have a loose society where everyone decides what's best for themselves regardless of how it may effect another why not just let everyone make all their own choices? Why should I have to abide in the speed limit when I have never had an accident speeding?

 

[RodISHI]

Tell me is for you is "remarkably low" acceptable when it comes to someone being abuse, raped or sodomized?

Your post was barely in English, but I think I got the question. It's never acceptable. Hope that clears up my position on rape. I admit I was pro-rape for a while, but some folks on a board just like this made me change my opinion.

Glad you got it despite my limited formal education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

People do need to make their own choices no doubt. I do think though if they are aware of the pitfalls as with anything that could harm them or another it could help them through this world.

I keep thinking about the high school girl that your brother had a crush on. She sounds like a lost soul and that might be why she ended up in the porn industry. I have an inkling that if her homelife was better and that there was a parent around that did some decent supervision that she might have made better choices in life.

I did not know her well enough to know what her home life was like. It is a known fact though that glue sniffing damages brain cells. My brother hung with a crowd that drank pretty heavy. Not sure if he was into the glue sniffing or not?? I'll ask him next time I see him, (might be awhile as we live so far apart). I do know that the neighborhood she lived in wasn't the best. It was about a 1/4 mile or so down from where we lived. Most of those families had either only one parent or both parents working. Then so did the ones in the country club area. Very few had a parent that was at home or not working during the day so supervision was generally not there on a whole for most of the teens I knew growing up. SO CA is a rough place to grow up. Then so are other places I'm sure.

I'm sure no matter how well you try to protect your children the other children and adults they are around growing up will have an effect on their perspectives as they grow into adults.

My philosophy is the following: Raise the kids in such a manner that they are strong in their morals and principles. If a kid can be strong in their beliefs, the child can be protected from the onslaught of peer pressure. Also I'm of the mind that kids should work hard -- "The idle mind is the devil's playground."

There will always be kids who will stray far from the path no matter how much time and effort you spend on them, but the children who have the most problems are the ones from broken homes where parental supervision is not in abundance. We can only do our best and hope for the best.

 

[stekim]

Glad you got it despite my limited formal education.

No sweat. I'm here to help.

 

[catzmeow]

Catz do you have a daughter? I kept a pretty close eye on mine when they were teens. Then I did try to give them some freedom to as to not quash them. My daughter at 16 had a regular boyfriend. I would not learn until she was twenty why she suddenly broke the relationship off with this boy that was not a full year older than her. They went together for almost two years. My daughter did not want to tell Rod or I that he put her up against the wall and tried to force himself onto her and that is why she dumped him.

As much as you think you may have a line on what is up in your childrens lives, you could learn different one day down the road. No matter how close you try to keep tabs on their safety. Preventive measures to protect others less fortunate is not to much to ask from society as a whole.

I have a 15 year old daughter.

Let me be clear: I don't believe your daughter was assaulted due to porn. I don't believe that my duaghter will be assaulted due to porn.

I dealt with very sexually aggressive boys when I was 16. Do you think that they learned to be sexually aggressive because of PORN? Or because they were boys with a lot of testosterone pumping through their bodies? I'd say the latter.

Frankly, if a boy tries to push my daughter's sexual boundaries, I fear for his safety. I think she will kick his fucking ass. That's the person I raised her to be.

Was chatting with some male friends of hers last night over dinner, in fact, and made that very comment. Her male friends all agreed with that statement. My daughter is in no way a pushover, and I have been extremely candid with her about sex.

My daughter is rather...fierce. She knows who she is, and what her boundaries are.

See, you have to understand, Rodishi, that I've spent the last 19 years working with criminals. I'm not naive about what teenagers get up to. And, I have not raised a naive daughter. I've raised a girl whose best friends are guys, and who can handle herself around guys.

 

[catzmeow]

It was not a complaint. More like a point. For anyone to say it is does not "reflect on reality" elluding to the pretense that they have complete control over what their fifteen or eleven year old is exposed to, they are only fooling themselves. Believe it or not raising a child is more than "rocket science". Common sense plays a big part in it. It is more obvious than not that few have that in this day and age.

If one can't legislate in an effort to limit risk. Then tell me why does a society even have regulations, laws and rules in a society that people must live by? I mean surely if we cannot limit risk through legislation every should be allowed to dump their own trash as they see fit, right? I mean if we are going to have a loose society where everyone decides what's best for themselves regardless of how it may effect another why not just let everyone make all their own choices? Why should I have to abide in the speed limit when I have never had an accident speeding?

Do you believe, realistically speaking, that you can remove all risk from your child's life?

 

[stekim]

What does putting her up against the wall and trying to force himself onto her have to do with porn? Did he say porn made him do it? Or do you think it was raging hormones, poor impulse control and a dose of bad parenting? Maybe we should ban those things.

 

[RodISHI]

I keep thinking about the high school girl that your brother had a crush on. She sounds like a lost soul and that might be why she ended up in the porn industry. I have an inkling that if her homelife was better and that there was a parent around that did some decent supervision that she might have made better choices in life.

I did not know her well enough to know what her home life was like. It is a known fact though that glue sniffing damages brain cells. My brother hung with a crowd that drank pretty heavy. Not sure if he was into the glue sniffing or not?? I'll ask him next time I see him, (might be awhile as we live so far apart). I do know that the neighborhood she lived in wasn't the best. It was about a 1/4 mile or so down from where we lived. Most of those families had either only one parent or both parents working. Then so did the ones in the country club area. Very few had a parent that was at home or not working during the day so supervision was generally not there on a whole for most of the teens I knew growing up. SO CA is a rough place to grow up. Then so are other places I'm sure.

I'm sure no matter how well you try to protect your children the other children and adults they are around growing up will have an effect on their perspectives as they grow into adults.

My philosophy is the following: Raise the kids in such a manner that they are strong in their morals and principles. If a kid can be strong in their beliefs, the child can be protected from the onslaught of peer pressure. Also I'm of the mind that kids should work hard -- "The idle mind is the devil's playground."

There will always be kids who will stray far from the path no matter how much time and effort you spend on them, but the children who have the most problems are the ones from broken homes where parental supervision is not in abundance. We can only do our best and hope for the best.

It can happen even with families with two parents. If the parents preoccupied to spend time with their children or actually watch them. Which is the case in many homes throughout the country. The majority of families now have both mom and dad working FT to make ends meet. Then looking back one family on our block where the mom stayed home and the dad worked was a mess. That particular mom would be classified as "religious fruitcake". She went so far over board her boys went totally the opposite direction.

 

[Bootneck]

Fine if you like that kid of thing, but there have to be better ways to spend your time and money.

Unless you're stuck out in the wilderness in a grungy FOB, with no beer, boil-in-the bag rations and wondering whether Terry T will be lobbing over his regular dose of mortars and rocket grenades.

 

[catzmeow]

It can happen even with families with two parents. If the parents preoccupied to spend time with their children or actually watch them. Which is the case in many homes throughout the country. The majority of families now have both mom and dad working FT to make ends meet. Then looking back one family on our block where the mom stayed home and the dad worked was a mess. That particular mom would be classified as "religious fruitcake". She went so far over board her boys went totally the opposite direction.

Who knew porn was so incredibly dangerous???!!!???111

Hold me, Stekim. I'm frightened.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I did not know her well enough to know what her home life was like. It is a known fact though that glue sniffing damages brain cells. My brother hung with a crowd that drank pretty heavy. Not sure if he was into the glue sniffing or not?? I'll ask him next time I see him, (might be awhile as we live so far apart). I do know that the neighborhood she lived in wasn't the best. It was about a 1/4 mile or so down from where we lived. Most of those families had either only one parent or both parents working. Then so did the ones in the country club area. Very few had a parent that was at home or not working during the day so supervision was generally not there on a whole for most of the teens I knew growing up. SO CA is a rough place to grow up. Then so are other places I'm sure.

I'm sure no matter how well you try to protect your children the other children and adults they are around growing up will have an effect on their perspectives as they grow into adults.

My philosophy is the following: Raise the kids in such a manner that they are strong in their morals and principles. If a kid can be strong in their beliefs, the child can be protected from the onslaught of peer pressure. Also I'm of the mind that kids should work hard -- "The idle mind is the devil's playground."

There will always be kids who will stray far from the path no matter how much time and effort you spend on them, but the children who have the most problems are the ones from broken homes where parental supervision is not in abundance. We can only do our best and hope for the best.

It can happen even with families with two parents. If the parents preoccupied to spend time with their children or actually watch them. Which is the case in many homes throughout the country. The majority of families now have both mom and dad working FT to make ends meet. Then looking back one family on our block where the mom stayed home and the dad worked was a mess. That particular mom would be classified as "religious fruitcake". She went so far over board her boys went totally the opposite direction.

Yes, you're right about that. I know this one family that is completely intact and both the mother and father came from good families. The problem is that both the parents are so meek that the children run the house. I hear smart things coming out of one of the kid's mouth, but neither parent says anything about it. It's sad because the children are basically, but when you sit idly by and let children behave poorly, it doesn't bode well for the kids.

 

[xsited1]

I'm opposed to any government-enforced limits on free expression whatsoever. I would strike down all anti-pornography laws as unwarranted interference with private and voluntary acts (leaving in place laws punishing, for example, coercion of minors for the production of pornography).

 

[RodISHI]

Do you believe, realistically speaking, that you can remove all risk from your child's life?

No. I do believe that as a whole society can be better informed so less children will be at risk. I also agree with drawing lines in the sand that should not be crossed. Educating people why those lines should not be cross would better prevent those tragedies.

 

[catzmeow]

No. I do believe that as a whole society can be better informed so less children will be at risk. I also agree with drawing lines in the sand that should not be crossed. Educating people why those lines should not be cross would better prevent those tragedies.

You are almost as good as Skydancer at saying nothing in way too many words.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No. I do believe that as a whole society can be better informed so less children will be at risk. I also agree with drawing lines in the sand that should not be crossed. Educating people why those lines should not be cross would better prevent those tragedies.

You are almost as good as Skydancer at saying nothing in way too many words.

That's not fair to compare RodISHI to Skydancer. I understood what she was saying and I don't think RodISHI is blaming porn for all the ills of society.

 

[Sarah G]

I don't care whether anyone watches porn, I just never got into it. The actors are usually ugly and they make these fake noises that get me laughing more than anything else.