This lady survived being aborted

[koshergrl]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Since progressives started promoting unmarried/underaged sex and abortions on demand, welfare rolls have EXPLODED.

So your argument is just a lie.

 

[mamooth]

Ever notice how every single "abortion survivor" is a pretty young white woman? Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

There's a great deal of profit to be made in claiming that you're an "abortion survivor". And how is someone going to disprove your claim? Pro-lifers want to believe it, so they certainly won't check it out.

 

[xsited1]

Ever notice how every single "abortion survivor" is a pretty young white woman? Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

So this is a race issue to you? Good grief!

There's a great deal of profit to be made in claiming that you're an "abortion survivor". And how is someone going to disprove your claim? Pro-lifers want to believe it, so they certainly won't check it out.

It's easy to check. Just look at the hospital discharge papers.

 

[The Infidel]

Ever notice how every single "abortion survivor" is a pretty young white woman? Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

There's a great deal of profit to be made in claiming that you're an "abortion survivor". And how is someone going to disprove your claim? Pro-lifers want to believe it, so they certainly won't check it out.

If you had chose to look into it yourself, rather than show all of us what an assclown you are, you would see that she has alot of info out there proving her story.

Im not going to supply it for you... because I have a feeling you realy don't give two shits in the first place.

But bravo to you....

 

[The Infidel]

You made the right decision for yourselves, and you prepared yourself for the unknown and things worked out alright.

But don't expect everyone else to welcome a mental disabled child into a world just because you did. You can't assume that just because you can deal with a DS child, that someone can as well.

What if someone just can't handle raising a little boy, and decides to scrub the pregnancy and start over... maybe it will be a little girl next time.

I mean.... if they cant deal with a sickly or disabled child.... lets let them try again.


No value in human life.... thanks Demoncats!

And most conservatives have no respect for the Constitution and rule of law.

You libturds are the last authority on The Constitution... do not even go there with me.

Better yet.... yeah, where in The Constitution does it give a woman the right to kill an unborn child?

This ought to be interesting....

 

[The Infidel]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Since progressives started promoting unmarried/underaged sex and abortions on demand, welfare rolls have EXPLODED.

So your argument is just a lie.

So true... it can all be traced to the sexual revolution.

There is no shame anymore... good behavior is made fun of, and bad behavior is promoted.

Just watch twenty minutes of MTV

What ever happened to the "music" part of it by the way?

 

[The Infidel]

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What's your excuse for cruel callousness?

There is a reason why that jerk earned a place on my ignore list.

Trolls like that do not deserve any of my attention.

 

[Plasmaball]

Need more abortions

 

[WillowTree]

Need more abortions

Sorry you missed your chance?

 

[Plasmaball]

Need more abortions

Sorry you missed your chance?

not at all, but the less people like you around the better.

 

[Noomi]

Britain's looking at dropping the date to 20 weeks. Very interesting debate.

Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister: 'Modern feminist' Miller wants 20 weeks not 24

Women's Minister Mrs Miller said medical advances means premature babies can be saved
Calls for reduction echoed by backbench Tory MP Nadine Dorries who proposed bill in 2008



Maria Miller: Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister | Mail Online

A baby born at 20 weeks cannot survive, nor will doctors even attempt to save its life as it is physically impossible. The lowest they could go is 22 weeks, as this is the absolute earliest a premature infant can survive.

Really? I suggest that you actually read and watch

How the 'miracle' baby born two weeks before the legal abortion limit clung to life against all odds | Mail Online

Tiny Miracles: Life-Saving Surgery Within A Mother’s Womb - Breakthrough Medicine - University of Miami Health System

21 weeks and 6 days, you may as well say 22 weeks. The earliest a baby can survive.
The baby operated on at 18 weeks was still in the womb - if he was born he wouldn't have lived.

 

[Noomi]

Ever notice how every single "abortion survivor" is a pretty young white woman? Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

There's a great deal of profit to be made in claiming that you're an "abortion survivor". And how is someone going to disprove your claim? Pro-lifers want to believe it, so they certainly won't check it out.

Two very good points. I doubt we will ever see the lifers drag around a black woman who 'survived' an abortion.

 

[Noomi]

I don't see an issue with Obama's words. A fetus is aborted but it is still moving, the doctor calls in another doctor to make sure the fetus can't be saved. You think that if a 19 week old fetus is born alive, it can be saved? It can't be. Its not possible - yet.

Noomi ---

That is the most sad thing I have read in a week....

It might be sad, but its the truth. A 19 week old fetus born will not survive, no matter how many doctors work on it. That is why doctors won't attempt to save it - they can't. Its just not physically possible yet.

Why do doctors not even attempt to save someone who was shot in the head, and has brain matter spilling around them? Because its just as impossible to save them as it is to save the life of a baby born months too soon.

Britain's looking at dropping the date to 20 weeks. Very interesting debate.

Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister: 'Modern feminist' Miller wants 20 weeks not 24

Women's Minister Mrs Miller said medical advances means premature babies can be saved
Calls for reduction echoed by backbench Tory MP Nadine Dorries who proposed bill in 2008



Maria Miller: Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister | Mail Online

A baby born at 20 weeks cannot survive, nor will doctors even attempt to save its life as it is physically impossible. The lowest they could go is 22 weeks, as this is the absolute earliest a premature infant can survive.

A newborn, at 9 months, will not survive outside of the womb either.... let it sit on a table and squirm around for a day or two and see what happens.


Does that make it any less human and alive???


Just asking....

A newborn doesn't usually require medical intervention to survive. It requires someone within society to feed and care for it.

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[Noomi]

I think teenagers should be able to get abortions without their parents consent. Especially if she has pro life parents who would force her to have the baby.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think teenagers should be able to get abortions without their parents consent. Especially if she has pro life parents who would force her to have the baby.

Fine idea. Take all control of family planning and population control out of the province of the basic unit of political power, the family. This has always been the dream of the political elites. Now with stem cell research, it now finally seems like it is within their grasp. No parents, no grandparents, no children, no traditions, just the State.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/interview/ethical-questions/

Arthur Caplan: There had been a long literature — Aldous Huxley, many other science fiction writers — who’d suggested that test tube baby technology wasn’t about infertility. It was about eugenics. It was about making super-babies, perfect babies, better babies. It also wasn’t about what infertile couples would choose to do. It was about what government and authoritarian states would force you to do if you wanted to have a child. So part of the antsyness about this technology had nothing to do with Landrum Shettles trying to make a human embryo in a dish for an infertile couple. It had to do with this imagery that was around, that somewhere Big Brother was going to decide: Why would we let just any old people decide to hook up and get married and have kids? Let’s do it scientifically. Let’s do it in a test tube. Let’s control it. And let’s try to select traits in children that would be useful for society. So the connection from the test tube baby was to the imagery of George Orwell or Aldous Huxley, to the science fiction concerns about, Are we going to breed ourselves to improve ourselves?

The Giver

Plot Overview

The giver is written from the point of view of Jonas, an eleven-year-old boy living in a futuristic society that has eliminated all pain, fear, war, and hatred. There is no prejudice, since everyone looks and acts basically the same, and there is very little competition. Everyone is unfailingly polite. The society has also eliminated choice: at age twelve every member of the community is assigned a job based on his or her abilities and interests. Citizens can apply for and be assigned compatible spouses, and each couple is assigned exactly two children each. The children are born to Birthmothers, who never see them, and spend their first year in a Nurturing Center with other babies, or “newchildren,” born that year. When their children are grown, family units dissolve and adults live together with Childless Adults until they are too old to function in the society. Then they spend their last years being cared for in the House of the Old until they are finally “released” from the society. In the community, release is death, but it is never described that way; most people think that after release, flawed newchildren and joyful elderly people are welcomed into the vast expanse of Elsewhere that surrounds the communities. Citizens who break rules or fail to adapt properly to the society’s codes of behavior are also released, though in their cases it is an occasion of great shame. Everything is planned and organized so that life is as convenient and pleasant as possible.

Jonas lives with his father, a Nurturer of new children, his mother, who works at the Department of Justice, and his seven-year-old sister Lily. At the beginning of the novel, he is apprehensive about the upcoming Ceremony of Twelve, when he will be given his official Assignment as a new adult member of the community. He does not have a distinct career preference, although he enjoys volunteering at a variety of different jobs. Though he is a well-behaved citizen and a good student, Jonas is different: he has pale eyes, while most people in his community have dark eyes, and he has unusual powers of perception. Sometimes objects “change” when he looks at them. He does not know it yet, but he alone in his community can perceive flashes of color; for everyone else, the world is as devoid of color as it is of pain, hunger, and inconvenience.

At the Ceremony of Twelve, Jonas is given the highly honored Assignment of Receiver of Memory. The Receiver is the sole keeper of the community’s collective memory. When the community went over to Sameness—its painless, warless, and mostly emotionless state of tranquility and harmony—it abandoned all memories of pain, war, and emotion, but the memories cannot disappear totally. Someone must keep them so that the community can avoid making the mistakes of the past, even though no one but the Receiver can bear the pain. Jonas receives the memories of the past, good and bad, from the current Receiver, a wise old man who tells Jonas to call him the Giver.

The Giver transmits memories by placing his hands on Jonas’s bare back. The first memory he receives is of an exhilarating sled ride. As Jonas receives memories from the Giver—memories of pleasure and pain, of bright colors and extreme cold and warm sun, of excitement and terror and hunger and love—he realizes how bland and empty life in his community really is. The memories make Jonas’s life richer and more meaningful, and he wishes that he could give that richness and meaning to the people he loves. But in exchange for their peaceful existence, the people of Jonas’s community have lost the capacity to love him back or to feel deep passion about anything. Since they have never experienced real suffering, they also cannot appreciate the real joy of life, and the life of individual people seems less precious to them. In addition, no one in Jonas’s community has ever made a choice of his or her own. Jonas grows more and more frustrated with the members of his community, and the Giver, who has felt the same way for many years, encourages him. The two grow very close, like a grandfather and a grandchild might have in the days before Sameness, when family members stayed in contact long after their children were grown.

Meanwhile, Jonas is helping his family take care of a problem newchild, Gabriel, who has trouble sleeping through the night at the Nurturing Center. Jonas helps the child to sleep by transmitting soothing memories to him every night, and he begins to develop a relationship with Gabriel that mirrors the family relationships he has experienced through the memories. When Gabriel is in danger of being released, the Giver reveals to Jonas that release is the same as death. Jonas’s rage and horror at this revelation inspire the Giver to help Jonas devise a plan to change things in the community forever. The Giver tells Jonas about the girl who had been designated the new Receiver ten years before. She had been the Giver’s own daughter, but the sadness of some of the memories had been too much for her and she had asked to be released. When she died, all of the memories she had accumulated were released into the community, and the community members could not handle the sudden influx of emotion and sensation. The Giver and Jonas plan for Jonas to escape the community and to actually enter Elsewhere. Once he has done that, his larger supply of memories will disperse, and the Giver will help the community to come to terms with the new feelings and thoughts, changing the society forever.

However, Jonas is forced to leave earlier than planned when his father tells him that Gabriel will be released the next day. Desperate to save Gabriel, Jonas steals his father’s bicycle and a supply of food and sets off for Elsewhere. Gradually, he enters a landscape full of color, animals, and changing weather, but also hunger, danger, and exhaustion. Avoiding search planes, Jonas and Gabriel travel for a long time until heavy snow makes bike travel impossible. Half-frozen, but comforting Gabriel with memories of sunshine and friendship, Jonas mounts a high hill. There he finds a sled—the sled from his first transmitted memory—waiting for him at the top. Jonas and Gabriel experience a glorious downhill ride on the sled. Ahead of them, they see—or think they see—the twinkling lights of a friendly village at Christmas, and they hear music. Jonas is sure that someone is waiting for them there.

Brave New World

Plot Overview

The novel opens in the Central London Hatching and Conditioning Centre, where the Director of the Hatchery and one of his assistants, Henry Foster, are giving a tour to a group of boys. The boys learn about the Bokanovsky and Podsnap Processes that allow the Hatchery to produce thousands of nearly identical human embryos. During the gestation period the embryos travel in bottles along a conveyor belt through a factorylike building, and are conditioned to belong to one of five castes: Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, or Epsilon. The Alpha embryos are destined to become the leaders and thinkers of the World State. Each of the succeeding castes is conditioned to be slightly less physically and intellectually impressive. The Epsilons, stunted and stupefied by oxygen deprivation and chemical treatments, are destined to perform menial labor. Lenina Crowne, an employee at the factory, describes to the boys how she vaccinates embryos destined for tropical climates.

The Director then leads the boys to the Nursery, where they observe a group of Delta infants being reprogrammed to dislike books and flowers. The Director explains that this conditioning helps to make Deltas docile and eager consumers. He then tells the boys about the “hypnopaedic” (sleep-teaching) methods used to teach children the morals of the World State. In a room where older children are napping, a whispering voice is heard repeating a lesson in “Elementary Class Consciousness.”

Outside, the Director shows the boys hundreds of naked children engaged in sexual play and games like “Centrifugal Bumble-puppy.” Mustapha Mond, one of the ten World Controllers, introduces himself to the boys and begins to explain the history of the World State, focusing on the State’s successful efforts to remove strong emotions, desires, and human relationships from society. Meanwhile, inside the Hatchery, Lenina chats in the bathroom with Fanny Crowne about her relationship with Henry Foster. Fanny chides Lenina for going out with Henry almost exclusively for four months, and Lenina admits she is attracted to the strange, somewhat funny-looking Bernard Marx. In another part of the Hatchery, Bernard is enraged when he overhears a conversation between Henry and the Assistant Predestinator about “having” Lenina.

After work, Lenina tells Bernard that she would be happy to accompany him on the trip to the Savage Reservation in New Mexico to which he had invited her. Bernard, overjoyed but embarrassed, flies a helicopter to meet a friend of his, Helmholtz Watson. He and Helmholtz discuss their dissatisfaction with the World State. Bernard is primarily disgruntled because he is too small and weak for his caste; Helmholtz is unhappy because he is too intelligent for his job writing hypnopaedic phrases. In the next few days, Bernard asks his superior, the Director, for permission to visit the Reservation. The Director launches into a story about a visit to the Reservation he had made with a woman twenty years earlier. During a storm, he tells Bernard, the woman was lost and never recovered. Finally, he gives Bernard the permit, and Bernard and Lenina depart for the Reservation, where they get another permit from the Warden. Before heading into the Reservation, Bernard calls Helmholtz and learns that the Director has grown weary of what he sees as Bernard’s difficult and unsocial behavior and is planning to exile Bernard to Iceland when he returns. Bernard is angry and distraught, but decides to head into the Reservation anyway.

On the Reservation, Lenina and Bernard are shocked to see its aged and ill residents; no one in the World State has visible signs of aging. They witness a religious ritual in which a young man is whipped, and find it abhorrent. After the ritual they meet John, a fair-skinned young man who is isolated from the rest of the village. John tells Bernard about his childhood as the son of a woman named Linda who was rescued by the villagers some twenty years ago. Bernard realizes that Linda is almost certainly the woman mentioned by the Director. Talking to John, he learns that Linda was ostracized because of her willingness to sleep with all the men in the village, and that as a result John was raised in isolation from the rest of the village. John explains that he learned to read using a book called The Chemical and Bacteriological Conditioning of the Embryo and The Complete Works of Shakespeare, the latter given to Linda by one of her lovers, Popé. John tells Bernard that he is eager to see the “Other Place”—the “brave new world” that his mother has told him so much about. Bernard invites him to return to the World State with him. John agrees but insists that Linda be allowed to come as well.

While Lenina, disgusted with the Reservation, takes enough soma to knock her out for eighteen hours, Bernard flies to Santa Fe where he calls Mustapha Mond and receives permission to bring John and Linda back to the World State. Meanwhile, John breaks into the house where Lenina is lying intoxicated and unconscious, and barely suppresses his desire to touch her. Bernard, Lenina, John, and Linda fly to the World State, where the Director is waiting to exile Bernard in front of his Alpha coworkers. But Bernard turns the tables by introducing John and Linda. The shame of being a “father”—the very word makes the onlookers laugh nervously—causes the Director to resign, leaving Bernard free to remain in London.

John becomes a hit with London society because of his strange life led on the Reservation. But while touring the factories and schools of the World State, John becomes increasingly disturbed by the society that he sees. His sexual attraction to Lenina remains, but he desires more than simple lust, and he finds himself terribly confused. In the process, he also confuses Lenina, who wonders why John does not wish to have sex with her. As the discoverer and guardian of the “Savage,” Bernard also becomes popular. He quickly takes advantage of his new status, sleeping with many women and hosting dinner parties with important guests, most of whom dislike Bernard but are willing to placate him if it means they get to meet John. One night John refuses to meet the guests, including the Arch-Community Songster, and Bernard’s social standing plummets.

After Bernard introduces them, John and Helmholtz quickly take to each other. John reads Helmholtz parts of Romeo and Juliet, but Helmholtz cannot keep himself from laughing at a serious passage about love, marriage, and parents—ideas that are ridiculous, almost scatological in World State culture.

Fueled by his strange behavior, Lenina becomes obsessed with John, refusing Henry’s invitation to see a feely. She takes soma and visits John at Bernard’s apartment, where she hopes to seduce him. But John responds to her advances with curses, blows, and lines from Shakespeare. She retreats to the bathroom while he fields a phone call in which he learns that Linda, who has been on permanent soma-holiday since her return, is about to die. At the Hospital for the Dying he watches her die while a group of lower-caste boys receiving their “death conditioning” wonder why she is so unattractive. The boys are simply curious, but John becomes enraged. After Linda dies, John meets a group of Delta clones who are receiving their soma ration. He tries to convince them to revolt, throwing the soma out the window, and a riot results. Bernard and Helmholtz, hearing of the riot, rush to the scene and come to John’s aid. After the riot is calmed by police with soma vapor, John, Helmholtz, and Bernard are arrested and brought to the office of Mustapha Mond.

John and Mond debate the value of the World State’s policies, John arguing that they dehumanize the residents of the World State and Mond arguing that stability and happiness are more important than humanity. Mond explains that social stability has required the sacrifice of art, science, and religion. John protests that, without these things, human life is not worth living. Bernard reacts wildly when Mond says that he and Helmholtz will be exiled to distant islands, and he is carried from the room. Helmholtz accepts the exile readily, thinking it will give him a chance to write, and soon follows Bernard out of the room. John and Mond continue their conversation. They discuss religion and the use of soma to control negative emotions and social harmony.

John bids Helmholtz and Bernard good-bye. Refused the option of following them to the islands by Mond, he retreats to a lighthouse in the countryside where he gardens and attempts to purify himself by self-flagellation. Curious World State citizens soon catch him in the act, and reporters descend on the lighthouse to film news reports and a feely. After the feely, hordes of people descend on the lighthouse and demand that John whip himself. Lenina comes and approaches John with her arms open. John reacts by brandishing his whip and screaming “Kill it! Kill it!” The intensity of the scene causes an orgy in which John takes part. The next morning he wakes up and, overcome with anger and sadness at his submission to World State society, hangs himself.