This lady survived being aborted

[The Infidel]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwFIEprF_9Y]How Will You Answer? - YouTube[/ame]


Then there is Obama's words.... skip to @ 3 minutes in.
"If that fetus or child... however you want to describe it is now outside the mothers womb, and the doctor continues to think that its not viable, but there's, lets say movement, or some indication that they are not just coming out limp and dead. They would have to in fact call in a 2nd physician.... to monitor and check off that this is not a live child that could be saved..."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoxuzeCsjbQ]Audio: Obama argues against Born Alive legislation in IL state senate.flv - YouTube[/ame]


My God people.... this man has no soul..!!!

 

[Noomi]

I don't see an issue with Obama's words. A fetus is aborted but it is still moving, the doctor calls in another doctor to make sure the fetus can't be saved. You think that if a 19 week old fetus is born alive, it can be saved? It can't be. Its not possible - yet.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How Will You Answer? - YouTube


Then there is Obama's words.... skip to @ 3 minutes in.
"If that fetus or child... however you want to describe it is now outside the mothers womb, and the doctor continues to think that its not viable, but there's, lets say movement, or some indication that they are not just coming out limp and dead. They would have to in fact call in a 2nd physician.... to monitor and check off that this is not a live child that could be saved..."

Audio: Obama argues against Born Alive legislation in IL state senate.flv - YouTube


My God people.... this man has no soul..!!!

You guys really don’t want to win this election, do you.

 

[hazlnut]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

 

[Ernie S.]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

I would almost support mandatory abortions for Democrats.
You, being exhibit A.

 

[chikenwing]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Make perfect sense too decent people that don't look at others as just money,or a way to save it.

 

[Clementine]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

In other words, government dependents are not now, nor will ever be, responsible for their own actions. They are too stupid to make good choices or pull themselves up so for the rest of their lives, we will have to treat them like dependent children. If we can't pay to stop their pregnancies, we have to pay to raise the child. They will suffer no consequences from their own choices. Got it.

Actually, they can get their abortions, then they can make payments till the doctor bill is paid in full. They might have to skip the tattoo parlors, nail salons, casinos and fast food, but it might get the message through that NOTHING is free and it's wrong to expect others to sacrifice on your behalf when you screw up. I think it would be a real learning experience in how the world works. How will they ever learn their lesson if we keep following behind them and cleaning up their mess?

 

[SuMar]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Perhaps these low income woman were to keep their legs closed then they wouldn't be in such a pickle now would they?

 

[Noomi]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Perhaps these low income woman were to keep their legs closed then they wouldn't be in such a pickle now would they?

That's right. Condemn the woman for having sex.

 

[SuMar]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Perhaps these low income woman were to keep their legs closed then they wouldn't be in such a pickle now would they?

That's right. Condemn the woman for having sex.

Only condemning ones to stupid not to be responsible.

 

[Clementine]

I thought you people wanted less people dependent on food stamps and medicaid.

Why would you not support free abortions for low income women?

Makes no sense.

Perhaps these low income woman were to keep their legs closed then they wouldn't be in such a pickle now would they?

That's right. Condemn the woman for having sex.

People should do what they want and they should also face the consequences of their own actions.

We always get yelled at when we even hint that people should take personal responsibility for their own actions. That is not allowed. We are supposed to shut up, let people who are dumber than a box of rocks screw up in every way possible, then pick up the tab so they can keep doing it.

I think they should be made to pay for their abortions and give up other things. Maybe approve the use of EBT cards for abortions, then they can't blow money at casinos and tattoo parlors. I see poor people who are chain smokers. The couple next door are on welfare and between the two of them, they smoke at least two packs a day. With the current price of cigarettes, that is over $300 a month. Holy shit. And statistics show that most smokers are poor people. They can use EBT cards for cigarettes. (remember the convenience store clerk who was fired for refusing to let a kid buy smokes with an EBT card).

We are being taken for suckers by footing the bill for everything and expecting people to do nothing for themselves. When they do work, their paychecks are free and clear, which gives a person making $12,000 a year more disposable income than the ones footing the bill for them. If you make $50,000 and pay your own bills, you don't have near as much left over as the ones on welfare. Real fair, isn't it?

It seems to me that the people who take responsibility for their lives are the ones being condemned by having the shit taxed out of them and then getting criticized for suggesting that people could minimize the heavy load by acting like an adult.

You want to coddle women who can't practice self control or make decisions that are in their best interest, then you insult those who pay the fine for other peoples mistakes. Why are we being penalized for the actions of others?

 

[Noomi]

Perhaps these low income woman were to keep their legs closed then they wouldn't be in such a pickle now would they?

That's right. Condemn the woman for having sex.

Only condemning ones to stupid not to be responsible.

If a woman uses birth control when she has sex, I would say she is being responsible.

 

[Clementine]

That's right. Condemn the woman for having sex.

Only condemning ones to stupid not to be responsible.

If a woman uses birth control when she has sex, I would say she is being responsible.

If that were the case with most women, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's a woman's business whether or not she has sex and whether or not she takes precaution. It's only other people's business when they get the bill.

 

[tinydancer]

I don't see an issue with Obama's words. A fetus is aborted but it is still moving, the doctor calls in another doctor to make sure the fetus can't be saved. You think that if a 19 week old fetus is born alive, it can be saved? It can't be. Its not possible - yet.

Britain's looking at dropping the date to 20 weeks. Very interesting debate.

Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister: 'Modern feminist' Miller wants 20 weeks not 24

Women's Minister Mrs Miller said medical advances means premature babies can be saved
Calls for reduction echoed by backbench Tory MP Nadine Dorries who proposed bill in 2008



Maria Miller: Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister | Mail Online

 

[tinydancer]

How Will You Answer? - YouTube


Then there is Obama's words.... skip to @ 3 minutes in.
"If that fetus or child... however you want to describe it is now outside the mothers womb, and the doctor continues to think that its not viable, but there's, lets say movement, or some indication that they are not just coming out limp and dead. They would have to in fact call in a 2nd physician.... to monitor and check off that this is not a live child that could be saved..."

Audio: Obama argues against Born Alive legislation in IL state senate.flv - YouTube


My God people.... this man has no soul..!!!

Ice runs thru his veins. His whole negative stance on the Born Alive legislation is beyond appalling.

I have no idea how anyone with any humanity could argue against treating a living breathing baby from a botched abortion. To allow that infant to just be cast aside in a hospital to "expire" without treatment is infanticide.

There are no pretty words for this heinous crime. And it is a crime.

 

[Clementine]

I don't see an issue with Obama's words. A fetus is aborted but it is still moving, the doctor calls in another doctor to make sure the fetus can't be saved. You think that if a 19 week old fetus is born alive, it can be saved? It can't be. Its not possible - yet.

Britain's looking at dropping the date to 20 weeks. Very interesting debate.

Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister: 'Modern feminist' Miller wants 20 weeks not 24

Women's Minister Mrs Miller said medical advances means premature babies can be saved
Calls for reduction echoed by backbench Tory MP Nadine Dorries who proposed bill in 2008



Maria Miller: Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister | Mail Online

My friend's daughter recently had a premature baby that was born at 20 weeks. All went well and baby is home now and doing fine. It is amazing what they can do and likely helps if a mother takes care of herself while pregnant.

If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, then why the wait to end the pregnancy? I am especially confused about late term abortions when the reason stated is to save the mother's life. The way the birth of the baby is delayed while they kill it, it's actually harder on the woman than a quicker delivery and trying to save the baby. I just wish people would be honest about their motives. I recall Obama voting against saving babies born alive because it went against the mother's wishes. That doesn't jive with the claim that late terms were strictly to save the mother's life.

I think it's really traumatic for medical personnel to have to do late term abortions. Deliberately taking a life goes against everything they stand for and it's not fair to them to force them to perform such radical procedures. While they try to save the woman in cases where her life really is in danger, like after an accident, they also try to save the baby, if possible.

 

[tinydancer]

I don't see an issue with Obama's words. A fetus is aborted but it is still moving, the doctor calls in another doctor to make sure the fetus can't be saved. You think that if a 19 week old fetus is born alive, it can be saved? It can't be. Its not possible - yet.

Britain's looking at dropping the date to 20 weeks. Very interesting debate.

Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister: 'Modern feminist' Miller wants 20 weeks not 24

Women's Minister Mrs Miller said medical advances means premature babies can be saved
Calls for reduction echoed by backbench Tory MP Nadine Dorries who proposed bill in 2008



Maria Miller: Cut abortion limit says new Women's Minister | Mail Online

My friend's daughter recently had a premature baby that was born at 20 weeks. All went well and baby is home now and doing fine. It is amazing what they can do and likely helps if a mother takes care of herself while pregnant.

If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, then why the wait to end the pregnancy? I am especially confused about late term abortions when the reason stated is to save the mother's life. The way the birth of the baby is delayed while they kill it, it's actually harder on the woman than a quicker delivery and trying to save the baby. I just wish people would be honest about their motives. I recall Obama voting against saving babies born alive because it went against the mother's wishes. That doesn't jive with the claim that late terms were strictly to save the mother's life.

I think it's really traumatic for medical personnel to have to do late term abortions. Deliberately taking a life goes against everything they stand for and it's not fair to them to force them to perform such radical procedures.

What a blessing for your friend!

Regarding late term abortions: when George Tiller was alive he was performing late terms for reasons that would make your hair curl. Sebelius, yes that Sebelius even allowed George Tiller to have his own crematorium. He had a "gift shop". I have a lot of material on Tiller.

The man was a monster.


"There also exists a common misconception that late-term abortions are limited to medical emergencies.

Nothing could be further from the truth. From 1998 until 2000, only one out of the 1168 abortions that Tiller performed after viability was done during a medical emergency.

Upwards of 97% of his late-term patients weren't even from Kansas—they flew in from other states to have abortions that they had scheduled in advance. "

Only read this link if you have a very strong stomach. All data presented is backed up with links to the pdfs from the State of Kansas.

George Tiller: a Case Study

 

[The Infidel]

I am stunned at some of the left's responses... so sad.

 

[Mr. H.]

Speak in the first person, please.

I didn't learn until after my divorce that the wife wanted to terminate our first born. Thinking back on it, I appreciate that I was witheld this information. Although I should have expected as much when my ex ate a bottle of Tylenol PM in her efforts, then fist-pounded her protruded stomach in hate. Anyhow - he's now the Director of Development for a major Hollywood producer.

After that bitch went by the wayside... I eventually remarried.

We lost our first at about 20 weeks. Natural happening shit we were told. So we tried again.

And then were told that the ultrasound gave strong indication of a Down's Syndrom child. The doctor rather nonchalantly suggested we "go down to the coffee shop and discuss our OPTIONS".

Which we did.... Convinced that we were about to parent a retarded kid, the wife looked at me and said "this is life- we take and accept responsibility for what is dealt us". She didn't need to say those words because I was already there.

17 years later, this "retarded kid" - perfectly healthy BTW - is enrolled in a premier high school Arts Academy, training in ballet and taking classes designed for college level students.

Long story less short, go out and fuck yourselves and save the world for us who love life for what it is- for what it may be - and for what it ultimately is.

 

[tinydancer]

Speak in the first person, please.

I didn't learn until after my divorce that the wife wanted to terminate our first born. Thinking back on it, I appreciate that I was witheld this information. Although I should have expected as much when my ex ate a bottle of Tylenol PM in her efforts, then fist-pounded her protruded stomach in hate. Anyhow - he's now the Director of Development for a major Hollywood producer.

After that bitch went by the wayside... I eventually remarried.

We lost our first at about 20 weeks. Natural happening shit we were told. So we tried again.

And then were told that the ultrasound gave strong indication of a Down's Syndrom child. The doctor rather nonchalantly suggested we "go down to the coffee shop and discuss our OPTIONS".

Which we did.... Convinced that we were about to parent a retarded kid, the wife looked at me and said "this is life- we take and accept responsibility for what is dealt us". She didn't need to say those words because I was already there.

17 years later, this "retarded kid" - perfectly healthy BTW - is enrolled in a premier high school Arts Academy, training in ballet and taking classes designed for college level students.

Long story less short, go out and fuck yourselves and save the world for us who love life for what it is- for what it may be - and for what it ultimately is.

Bless you and your wife for having the heart and soul to bring that baby into this world and to accept what unknowns lay before you as a couple.

Amen Mr. H. Amen.