This is why we need a living wage

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    Bush was president from 2001 to 2009 causing SNAP spending to increase over 300%. They only increased 30% under Obama & are now decreasing. SNAP spending was decreasing all during Clinton's entire presidency, then Bush caused it to explode 10 times more than Obama.

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    Politifact says you are wrong and that you used a photo of prices at Sam's Club to defend Obama and blame the GOP is ironic.
     
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    Both good posts
     
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    Perhaps the goverment should set pay scales for all jobs and do the hiring and firing for them. The goverment can simply become the Hunan resources department for all businesses. That way the goverment can be in charge to make sure everyone is paid a fair wage and the managers and executives are no paid took much. We all know that the goverment is better at making business decisions about wages than busnesss people and the people and the people they hire.
     
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    Name a major industry that the government has not subsidized or bailed out. Name a major corporation that has not screwed its employees, its customers, or both. Name a single spell checker you have ever used!
     
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    My spelling and typos......guilty as charged. And autocorrect often works against me rather than for me.

    Most businesses are not subsidized or bailed out. The government is supported by the taxpayers which are businesses and individuals, not the other way around. The existance of crony capitalism does not justify the minimum wage or other wage and price controls.
     
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    The third was indeed the least of my concerns.

    What bothers/worries me is that your stated rational against the minimum wage sounds a lot like the sales pitch given out by big money why one should be against the minimum wage. In a government that actually worked for the people every government business day politicians would go work looking how to make this country work for everyone. That means a comprehensive program. The system has broken down however. The poor are getting dangerously poor and that is the highest priority. No single program, or even basket of programs, is going to stem the ongoing collapse of this country. And the system is so irrevocably broken a single program can't get through legislation, to say nothing of actually getting this country back on its feet. Rename the country from USA to KYAG. Think not? Enron looked great on paper the day before...
     
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    The only thing that will get poor people out of poverty is work.
    Sitting on your ass taking hand outs from people who have worked hard to better themselves is only going to keep you dependent on the system.
    All antipoverty programs do is breed more impoverished people.
    Minimum wage jobs are entry level positions for people with no marketable skills.
    The object is for people to learn and advance.
    If one chooses not to learn, he deserves no more money.
    A five dollar/hour job is worth $5 no matter what the government says it is. When a $5 job is artificially made a $10 job, that piece of paper with Alexander Hamilton's picture on it in your pocket becomes a Lincoln.
    Something must be done to motivate people to get an education and learn skills that will make them worth a living wage.
    Damned if I know how to motivate people, but I do know that if I were hungry, I would look for ways to earn more money.
     
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    That is a wonderful point of view but there are literally hundreds of variables which go into designing a well-balanced, sustainable economy, an economy that takes into account the needs of everyone, rich and poor. You know, for the people, by the people. Luckily we do not have a government who works solely for a few gigantic corporations who are unfortunately extremely shortsighted. Oh ya, ...
     
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    Do you really beleive that the government can "Design" a well-balanced, substainable economy the works better that free market capitalism?
     
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