THIS Is Torture: Found in Iraq

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/international/middleeast/19torture.html?

    Notice the absence of music, bibles/korans? Don't they know what it really takes?

     
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    I would not advocate or condone torture. That's the whole point, with few exceptions, seriously less then you would find in US med. and high security prisons, the conventions regarding torture have been followed, which is what was agreed to regarding 'combants other than lawful.'

    It seems some senators and citizens need to understand what are rules for getting information and what torture is.
     
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    oh dont get me wrong this is not Nazi Germany or Russia
    but I prefer to set very high standards.

    The terrorist are weak this is not a grab for world power by Al quaeda.

    We neeed to have an establised chain of justice, when they got
    NR2 of Al Quaeda yes torture is needed.

    For some unsubstained guy from wherever, we should refrain because
    we dont want to go down the gutter.

    Thats why torture needs to be authorized and by that justified.

    Some senators just want to cut and run and use it as an excuse.

    Still I demand (if I may) that torture has to be restricted for only
    the top 500 of our enemies.

    While it may give us insight torturing anyone the moral price imo is not
    worth it. We can win without stooping down to the level of the enemy.

    I know we dont stoop that low to begin with, there are no heads cut
    off that I remember.

    Like always it is tricky to protect the innocent while prosecuting the guilty.

    I just have the Nazi experience in my history (and that is not meant as
    an compariosn) that makes me error in favor of doubt.
     
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    No nonsense, I can understand your sensitivity. I'll even go one better, I doubt very much there are many, if any 'innocents' at Guantanomo as prisoners. Still wouldn't condone torture. From what I've read it rarely works anyways.

    However, to use omnimous threats, lies, etc.? Yeah, standard investigative procedures by police. To fool with lights, temps, etc. Yeah, disorienting. Screeching music, sure-nasty but heh, not torture. (yeah, even if it's "A Small World" or "Little Bunny Foo Foo."

    As I've said before, the coddling, kowtowing on Islam should stop. It's brought nothing but trouble all around and is NOT part of the conventions.
     
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    oh I agree the Koran story was ridicilous. I mean I dont care if you piss
    on the bible or Koran, Given I am an atheist now, but even
    as a former protestant it is hardly torture.

    I am not buying into the guantanmo campaign either, prison are never
    set to be out vacation camps. Still the lack of inditements of
    prisoners irks me. If they are terrorists try em and condamn
    their ass.

    If they are not terrorist make em POW and keep them just in case
    dont sent them back to friggin rejoin the enemy.

    As a German I am more sensitive about legality gone wrong. I do not
    mean to compare Bush to the ill spirited Nazi regime.

    But history also proves that alot of disaster happened out of good
    intentions.

    Either way we need more harshness on the battlefield not in the judicial
    process.
     
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    They are 'enemy non-combatants' and not handled as POW's. They have the protections regarding treatment, but not tribunals or such. Here's the thread:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21417&page=1&pp=15

    the 'conventions' discussion starts after a bit.
     

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