This is the America Chimpy and Co. want...

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    <blockquote>A draft Bush administration plan for special military courts seeks to expand the reach and authority of such "commissions" to include trials, for the first time, of people who are not members of al-Qaeda or the Taliban and are not directly involved in acts of international terrorism, according to officials familiar with the proposal.

    The plan, which would replace a military trial system ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in June, would also allow the secretary of defense to add crimes at will to those under the military court's jurisdiction. The two provisions would be likely to put more individuals than previously expected before military juries, officials and independent experts said. -<a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101334_pf.html>The Washington Post</a></blockquote>

    This pernicious bit of legislation would permit trial in absentia, admission of heresay evidence and evidence obtained by coercion. Defendants would not be allowed to confront their accusers, due process would be severely limited.

    The kicker here is that Rummy would be able to "...add crimes at will...". This is particularly ominous in light of the demonstrated willingness of this administration to ignore the Constitutional rights of US citizens and throw <i>habeas corpus</i> under the bus. Crimes committed by people not affiliated with Al Qaeda or the Taliban, nor even directly involved in international terrorism covers alot of ground, particularly given the very loose definition of terrorism contained in th PATRIOT Act.

    Given the authoritarian bent of Chimpy and his administration, it would not surprise me in the least for them use this legislation, if passed, against US citizens, particularly those who are opposed to the administration's disasterous policies in Iraq and elsewhere. The Republic is on life-support now. Passage of this legislation would pull the plug. Good-bye America...Hello Amerika...
     
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    Hmmmm...Silence. Apparently even the most fervent supporter of Chimpy McPresident can find a way to get behind this.
     
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    Bully, this is just the natural response to the poor decision in Hamdan. What exactly do you expect?
     
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    My guess Bully is that people are probably doing a little research on this on their own because its impossible to debate things with you the way you spin them so wildly.
     
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    Good, hope he adds being Liberal as a crime to that list. :thewave:
     
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    I dont. because they the liberals might actually have a legitimate claim against him. Last think they need is soemthing to legitimize their idealogy and get them elected.
     
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    Given the quality of replies so far, I seem to be correct in my assertion.
     
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    Lol Bully your jokes always brighten my day, as if you had made a point in the original post. Like I said we'll review the case so we can decipher between the truth and your spin.
     
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    No spin...Just call 'em as I see 'em.
     
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    This is from the Al Qaeda training manual. Sounds like the DNC talking points

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/alqaeda/manual.html

    IF AN INDICTMENT IS ISSUED AND THE TRIAL BEGINS, THE BROTHER HAS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING:

    At the beginning of the trial, once more the brothers must insist on proving that torture was inflicted on them by State Security [investigators] before the judge.
    Complain [to the court] of mistreatment while in prison.
    Make arrangements for the brother's defense with the attorney, whether he was retained by the brother 's family or court-appointed.
    The brother has to do his best to know the names of the state security officers, who participated in his torture and mention their names to the judge. [These names may be obtained from brothers who had to deal with those officers in previous cases.]
    Some brothers may tell and may be lured by the state security investigators to testify against the brothers [i.e. affirmation witness], either by not keeping them together in the same prison during the trials, or by letting them talk to the media. In this case, they have to be treated gently, and should be offered good advice, good treatment, and pray that God may guide them.
    During the trial, the court has to be notified of any mistreatment of the brothers inside the prison.
    It is possible to resort to a hunger strike, but it is a tactic that can either succeed or fail.
    Take advantage of visits to communicate with brothers outside prison and exchange information that may be helpful to them in their work outside prison [according to what occurred during the investigations]. The importance of mastering the art of hiding messages is self evident here.
    - When the brothers are transported from and to the prison [on their way to the court] they should shout Islamic slogans out loud from inside the prison cars to impress upon the people and their family the need to support Islam.
    - Inside the prison, the brother should not accept any work that may belittle or demean him or his brothers, such as the cleaning of the prison bathrooms or hallways.
    - The brothers should create an Islamic program for themselves inside the prison, as well as recreational and educational ones, etc.
    - The brother in prison should be a role model in selflessness. Brothers should also pay attention to each others needs and should help each other and unite vis a vis the prison officers.
    - The brothers must take advantage of their presence in prison for obeying and worshiping [God] and memorizing the Qora'an, etc. This is in addition to all guidelines and procedures that were contained in the lesson on interrogation and investigation. Lastly, each of us has to understand that we don't achieve victory against our enemies through these actions and security procedures. Rather, victory is achieved by obeying Almighty and Glorious God and because of their many sins. Every brother has to be careful so as not to commit sins and everyone of us has to do his best in obeying Almighty God, Who said in his Holy Book: "We will, without doubt. help Our messengers and those who believe (both) in this world's life and the one Day when the Witnesses will stand forth." May God guide us.
     

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