This Is Really Disturbing.

But the foundation of the march was ridiculess, 800 people is alot of people to get offended by a cartoon.....A stupid cartoon does not warrant the spread of hate on the streets of the country that allows you to speak freely in the first place. Some might say, well the cartoon is free speach so we can yell whatever we want. Right, but the entire reason both of these country's are at war, is because of 9-11, something that these "peace marchers" are yelling out in favor of. It is there so called "religion" that started this war in the first place. Is osama bin laden not of the same religion as the Iraqi insurgents and of these Peace marchers? They have a biblical hatred for all things western and modern, yet they live by the same freedoms that allow them to speak of there hatred, of the rights that they themselves are practicing!

I am really glad that christian interpretation has not gone so far off the reservation. You would think that after 10,000 years of religious warfare, that muslims would start to realize that all of there pain and suffering is because of the interpretation of one single book written in a language with thousands of different meanings for the same words.

Vintij

800 people were not the only people who got offended by the cartoon. All of us, me and all the Muslims I know, got offended by the cartoon. It was an attack on someone we hold very dear to ourselves, a brother, a role model. It was an attack with no objective but to insult and offend Muslims, not to debate or discuss Islam. I don't think that any person with an ounce of dignity would tolerate or at least be neutral towards someone who insulted someone he loves, especially if it was a religious or spiritual figure. Would it be ok with you if Muslims mocked and ridiculed Jesus? If others mocked one of your loved ones?
Yes, some Muslims went overboard like those ones in the pics and the ones who burned embassies. And I don't agree with what they did (and Islam doesn't agree with what they did either). But even though, what is the % of those, let's say 8000 Muslims instead of 800, to the remaining 1.5 billion Muslims? Almost nothing.
The response of the majority of the Muslims was either to boycott Danish products (not all Western products), hold peaceful demonstrations (which the main media didn't report as extensively as the violent ones. I don't think that this would come to a surprise to anyone), or debate about the concept of freedom of speech (like, what about the Holocaust?).

Second, why associate Islam with the actions of Muslims? These are 2 separate things. Islam is a religion, a holy book, a document. Muslims are humans with emotions, desires, and aspirations. The document is something and the people are something else. Islam is not what a minority, or even a majority, of Muslims do. There could be so many contradictions between what the text of a religion says and what the followers of that religion do.

For example, do you link Christianity with negative and bad things that some Christians do even if they were priests? I don't and I won't. If what they did was sanctioned in the Bible, then yes, I should blame Christianity for it. If not, then not.
We here in the Middle East never blamed the religion of Christianity to the negative actions of Christians not during the times of the crusades nor during the colonization period nor during the current wars. We knew and know that their actions had nothing to do with Christianity and never associated Christianity with them.

Until then, write this in the quran, "thou shalt NOT force islam on anyone, thou shalt not pray for Beheadings"

Then maybe someone will start taking you seriously.

Regarding the verses in the Quran, there are quite a few like:
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing.

16:82 But if they turn away from you, (O Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message (entrusted to you).

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you (of your own choice) a guardian over them.
 
When some wacko claiming to be Christian blows up an abortion clinic the Christian church in total condemns the very act.

That can't be said for Islam. They are strangely silent when atrocities are commited in Mohammed's or Allah's name, or they give small token comments of little impact.

Yet, I still think that Christianity gets the biggest brunt of attacks by the left than does Islam........

Why????????

In Sunni Islam, we don't have the concept of Church as it is in Christianity. In Christianity, or precisly the Catholic Christianity, it is centralized. But in Sunni Islam there is no central instituition that tells people what to do and what not to do. (Shiites do have a central organization, the Ayotallahs, etc)
What we, the Sunni Muslims, see as "The Church" is the Quran, the book, Not what men say. Yes, we have people who study Islam, who become scholars and experts of Islam, whom we call Imams. We refer to them for questions about what is permitted and what is forbidden but we never give them holiness or see them as God's representatives on earth but as men who are specialists/experts/professors in the subject of Islam.
Yes, there are advantages and disadvantages for not having a centralized organization that controls the religion. sometime it is needed when there is chaos in the religion, where everyone starts interpreting it as he wishes but most of the times, it's better not to have one.

Yet there are many Islamic organizations, institutions, groups condemn atrocities that are committed against others. Please check the following link
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
 
bullypulpit. I love ya, but you gotta be kidding me. You're gonna tell me that radical islam, which is global is less dangerous or equally is dangerous as radical dangerous. Im sorry but based on the evidence ive seen, im gonna have to politely disagree and say that radical islam is just a bit more dangerous :lol:

Have a good day brother
 
bullypulpit. I love ya, but you gotta be kidding me. You're gonna tell me that radical islam, which is global is less dangerous or equally is dangerous as radical dangerous. Im sorry but based on the evidence ive seen, im gonna have to politely disagree and say that radical islam is just a bit more dangerous :lol:

Have a good day brother

The scriptures are really being validated more and more, that this is not a battle of flesh and blood, but of principalities, or of the spiritual realm.

Truth is made, "relative", the human race claims "foul!", and runs off into "victimhood" as their one and only excuse for lack of accountability and civility.
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Liberals are made out to be the moral, and sensitive, and the conservatives are the big bad, unfeeling Jesus zealouts out to throw everyone in "iron maidens".

What a scenario! Except for the many radio pundits, and one news media channel, the air waves are waft with relativism of all kinds, and a basic distaste for biblical values.

It is so much like the story of the ant and the grasshopper that might only be a Western or American analogy from of all things I remember a "cartoon". The grasshopper keeps living a life of "everythings fine, playing a fiddle all day and having a merry old time..", "leave me alone", "I fiddle all day", while the little ant busily carries goods and provisions into his little home throughout the Summer to ride-out the Winter. The cartoon comes to an end with the grasshopper in rags of clothes, pounding on the little ant's door during the Winter. The grasshopper is starving, and is crying for mercy for just a few crumbs of bread.

I see this cartoon as metaphorical in nature to the basic, "ostriche's" head in the hole in the ground attitude, of so many about Islam's potential threat to Western civilization, yet an ironic or over-the-top reaction to those that express biblical values is prevalent in that same Western society. Complacent about Islam, totally over balanced in reaction to Christian values...........?

You'd think that God personally chastised one group/persons or nation/s arbitrarily over another, like the nature portrayed by the Greek/Roman dieties of Jupiter or Zeus.

It all boils down to taking the victim's roll or the accountable person's role. We can carry on till our faces turn blue about the struggles of our lives, and let life pass us by while we live in perverbial ruts of our own making in most cases.
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It is indeed a spiritual demarcation thats being debated about, both in politics and religion. Euthanasia, abortion, all have crossed from religious positions to political positions. Life, is demarked by politicians, judges and doctors, not theologians.

As some have quoted the old Testament and attempted to portray God as this "henchman" that says......."off with their heads", the spirit of the scriptures is totally missed, as most do not want to accept that there is a Creator that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and is Lord and Authority over His creation.

God removes/ takes away, and also restores and builds-up, but it's all for His glory. The "lost" see this as selfish, the saved see this as His working out of His will.

Mankind doesn't realize that the hard things of life are only "things" that are offered as possible turning-point so wake up and smell the truth or continue on and face greater 2x4's on the old cranium.

It is classic from the time of man's creation, it will be with us until the time of true reckoning between us, and Him. There will not be a rock or cave or any excuse to use for hiding.

Man wants to follow Sinatra's mantra......"I did it my way", and it hasn't changed in eons and will not change in the future.

Christians will continue to be mocked for calling mankind to a higher plain of life through their faith, and they will be likened to and made into cruel, authoritarian figures. They will be thrown into categories of evil dictators who used Christianity as a shroud for totally unChristian behaviour.....i.e. Hitler, Crusaders, and many protestant, and Catholic church leaders...i.e. the Salem trials, the Inquisition, etc...

All along, the actual life of Jesus and all that He said and lived-out will be totally ignored..........and the only attention given to Him will be to mis-quote his statements or take them out of context to assuage the guilt of His detractors.
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In Sunni Islam, we don't have the concept of Church as it is in Christianity. In Christianity, or precisly the Catholic Christianity, it is centralized. But in Sunni Islam there is no central instituition that tells people what to do and what not to do. (Shiites do have a central organization, the Ayotallahs, etc)
What we, the Sunni Muslims, see as "The Church" is the Quran, the book, Not what men say. Yes, we have people who study Islam, who become scholars and experts of Islam, whom we call Imams. We refer to them for questions about what is permitted and what is forbidden but we never give them holiness or see them as God's representatives on earth but as men who are specialists/experts/professors in the subject of Islam.
Yes, there are advantages and disadvantages for not having a centralized organization that controls the religion. sometime it is needed when there is chaos in the religion, where everyone starts interpreting it as he wishes but most of the times, it's better not to have one.

Yet there are many Islamic organizations, institutions, groups condemn atrocities that are committed against others. Please check the following link
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Well the shiites are making islam look like a vilolent religion. I personally dont care what any religion thinks is truth, as long as it does not harm innocent people. Though For some reason, extremists are getting the idea that allah wants you to sacrifice your life to kill others?!? Where are they getting this from? Apparently all we can assume is that they got it from the quran, which we know it does not literally demand this but its those that interpret it in that way, that are making islam look like a joke, and the numbers are growing while islam sits back and does nothing. Its ironic that these people who clearly dont think for themselves, are the most vocal im demanding respect and claiming to be personally victimized.

In america, different forms of christianity will try to prove eachother wrong, in the middle east, different forms of islam will try to kill eachother. Thats the difference between a young religion and an old one. Thank god im not religious.

watch this

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4&mode=related&search=[/ame]

Is this kind of television, in every muslim country?
 
All the patience in the world and excuses for extemists Islamist, but will crucify all Christians based on the camps for juniors by some.

Hypocrits.

No KKathieKlan; hypocrisy is America having a formal government plan for world domination and, while criminally and genocidally implementing that plan, claiming it is self-sacrificingly exporting democracy. :eusa_sick: :eusa_sick:
 
No KKathieKlan; hypocrisy is America having a formal government plan for world domination and, while criminally and genocidally implementing that plan, claiming it is self-sacrificingly exporting democracy. :eusa_sick: :eusa_sick:

You do realize you are pitiful? You have nothing better to do than shadow me? Let's pretend anyone take you seriously, where is your government plan for world domination? Truly you put tinfoil in a whole new category.
 
You do realize you are pitiful? You have nothing better to do than shadow me? Let's pretend anyone take you seriously, where is your government plan for world domination? Truly you put tinfoil in a whole new category.

Me follow you around?!! Every time I check my mail, there is an imbecilic remark and a negative rep from you! So I’d say the shoe is on the other foot! :rolleyes:

Aren’t you ashamed of your sexual desperation, lusting after a 65-year-old man with alcohol induced brain-damage and brewers droop? Jesus Wept, woman, don't you realise I’d have to shovel it in with a warm teaspoon!! :sad:

And even if I was stalking you, you poor ever-optimistic Henny Pennyish spinster, it wouldn’t be for sexual motives. From what I hear about you, it takes your none-too-fussy shaggers five or six rolls to get off of you afterward. :eusa_sick: :eusa_sick:

Here, and in future inform yourself before you speak of things you know nothing about. Instead of relying on Bill O’Really to fill your reactionary rent-a-mind with Der Partei’s pathetic propaganda.

And fer fuck sake, Mighty Mouth; do some follow-up reading on the Bush Doctrine before you dismiss it as a bygone aberration and, as usual, shoot your big bucket mouth off!
 
Me follow you around?!! Every time I check my mail, there is an imbecilic remark and a negative rep from you! So I’d say the shoe is on the other foot! :rolleyes:

Aren’t you ashamed of your sexual desperation, lusting after a 65-year-old man with alcohol induced brain-damage and brewers droop? Jesus Wept, woman, don't you realise I’d have to shovel it in with a warm teaspoon!! :sad:

And even if I was stalking you, you poor ever-optimistic Henny Pennyish spinster, it wouldn’t be for sexual motives. From what I hear about you, it takes your none-too-fussy shaggers five or six rolls to get off of you afterward. :eusa_sick: :eusa_sick:

Here, and in future inform yourself before you speak of things you know nothing about. Instead of relying on Bill O’Really to fill your reactionary rent-a-mind with Der Partei’s pathetic propaganda.

And fer fuck sake, Mighty Mouth; do some follow-up reading on the Bush Doctrine before you dismiss it as a bygone aberration and, as usual, shoot your big bucket mouth off!

Have some more
 
Thank god im not religious.

]Thank WHO? Your not religous????

Thats pretty funny!


Its actually sarcasm and truth at the same time. Ofcourse the sarcasm with thanking god, but its true because you dont need to be religious to believe in god.

"A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, :D
 
Its actually sarcasm and truth at the same time. Ofcourse the sarcasm with thanking god, but its true because you dont need to be religious to believe in god.

"A religion is a set of beliefs and practices generally held by a community, involving adherence to codified beliefs and rituals and study of ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, :D

I got it the fist time V I just found it funny... Is that ok?

I understand the fact that you can believe in self made up God of some sort and not be "religous".
However you can't be a Jew, Christian, Muslim or Buddhist and not be religous.
 
Ok, is this a record? Chips and Alucard agreeing with themselves within X number of posts? Damn.
 

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