This Drudge Headline really tells the story of the latest polls

[grunt11b]

I just think it's going to be funny to come on here on November 7th and read all the suicide notes left by the leftwing on this board.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of all the polling you see however, the unpublished internal polls conducted by the campaigns are the most accurate indicators. If you want to know what the polls are really saying, just listen carefully to the rhetoric being put out there by the candidates and their spokespersons.

 

[AceRothstein]

Yes, the pollsters are willing to stake their reputations and livelihood on incorrect poll numbers just to show Obama ahead.

Why not?

It's never hurt them in the past. The polls had Bush losing in 04' and in 2000, and Scott Walker being recalled. It hasn't hurt them any.

Bush did lose the popular vote in 2000.
Bush was up in most polls in 2004.
Polling before the Walker recall showed that he would NOT be recalled.

 

[AceRothstein]

Yes, the pollsters are willing to stake their reputations and livelihood on incorrect poll numbers just to show Obama ahead.

Which pollsters have been embarrassed out of the business for being wrong?

No, the press is in the tank for Obama. The polls are not accurate. And the reporting on them is less so. So is the "fact checking" that goes on.

The more accurate a pollster is, the more they can charge for their swrgices

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes, the pollsters are willing to stake their reputations and livelihood on incorrect poll numbers just to show Obama ahead.

Which pollsters have been embarrassed out of the business for being wrong?

No, the press is in the tank for Obama. The polls are not accurate. And the reporting on them is less so. So is the "fact checking" that goes on.

The more accurate a pollster is, the more they can charge for their swrgices

You know this how? Many of the polls are done by news orgs. They generate readership thereby. So they aren't charging anything.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes, the pollsters are willing to stake their reputations and livelihood on incorrect poll numbers just to show Obama ahead.

They do it every election cycle, so I don't know why you suddenly find it so unbelievable. And their reputations aren't "staked' to polls taken in September, because it's easy to shrug off as fluctuations and vagueries in public opinion. About two weeks before the election, you'll start seeing more realistic numbers, because THOSE are the ones that will really be compared to the election results and affect the pollsters' reputations.

 

[tinydancer]

Of all the polling you see however, the unpublished internal polls conducted by the campaigns are the most accurate indicators. If you want to know what the polls are really saying, just listen carefully to the rhetoric being put out there by the candidates and their spokespersons.

I just love love love when a pollster in the midst of one of the most hotly contested Presidential election campaigns of all times decides to poll on "likeability" and overpolls Democrats.

Dead giveaway.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Bush did lose the popular vote in 2000.

While winning the electoral vote.

The polls being wrong didn't hurt them.

Bush was up in most polls in 2004.

Utter nonsense, the party press was in shock that Bush won.

Polling before the Walker recall showed that he would NOT be recalled.

So, what color is the sky on your planet?

Dem poll: Walker recall battle is a dead heat - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

{Barrett leads among women, minorities, young voters, and residents of Milwaukee county and greater Madison. Barrett is also winning independent voters 48 to 46 percent, a lead that is within the margin of error.}

Walker's lead in Wisconsin recall election tightens in new poll - ABC News

 

[teapartysamurai]

POLL: RACE TIGHT AS OBAMA EDGE NARROWS TO 2 PTS...

SWING STATE DAILY TRACKING: O 47%, R 45%...

CNN: OBAMA +6...

POLLED MORE DEMS?

ABCNEWSWASHPOST LIKELY VOTERS: O 49% R 48%...

... SURVEYED 33% DEMOCRAT, 23% REPUBLICAN

GALLUP FLASHBACK: MONDALE TOPS REAGAN...

WHICH POLLS WERE MOST ACCURATE IN '08?

DRUDGE REPORT 2012®
They are over sampling Democrats to get the Results they want.
They aren't doing this to show Obama ahead. They are doing this to convice Conservatives Obama is so ahead it's no use. They might as well stay home and not bother voting.
They are hoping to dispirit Romney supporters.
The liberal media will try any trick to try and get their guy over the finish line.
Remember they called Florida for Gore in 2000, with only 1% of the results in.
People got out of line waiting to vote for Bush, (in Florida) because they thought the election was over and it was no use.
They will try anything to keep you from voting.
Don't fall for usual tricks.

Obama is going to win easily--5 million votes or so; 300-320 Electoral Votes. Book it. Hope you like your new sig line

Yeah, and libs thought Ronald Reagan didn't have a chance either.

"He's just an actor!" They would tell me.

But I was right, and they were WRONG.

 

[teapartysamurai]

POLL: RACE TIGHT AS OBAMA EDGE NARROWS TO 2 PTS...

SWING STATE DAILY TRACKING: O 47%, R 45%...

CNN: OBAMA +6...

POLLED MORE DEMS?

ABCNEWSWASHPOST LIKELY VOTERS: O 49% R 48%...

... SURVEYED 33% DEMOCRAT, 23% REPUBLICAN

GALLUP FLASHBACK: MONDALE TOPS REAGAN...

WHICH POLLS WERE MOST ACCURATE IN '08?

DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

They are over sampling Democrats to get the Results they want.

They aren't doing this to show Obama ahead. They are doing this to convice Conservatives Obama is so ahead it's no use. They might as well stay home and not bother voting.

They are hoping to dispirit Romney supporters.

The liberal media will try any trick to try and get their guy over the finish line.

Remember they called Florida for Gore in 2000, with only 1% of the results in.

People got out of line waiting to vote for Bush, (in Florida) because they thought the election was over and it was no use.

They will try anything to keep you from voting.

Don't fall for usual tricks.

Hey Sam check this out. I was just about to put up a new thread, but I'll throw it here. Next time some lib tries to tell any of us Rasmussen is full of shit, tell em to stick it where the sun don't shine.

From this article:

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate?
Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Here is the list –

1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**

1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)**

3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)

4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)

5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*

6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*

6T. ARG (10/25-27)*

8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)

8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)

10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)

11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)

12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)

13. FOX (11/1-2)

14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)

15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)

16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)

17. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)

18. Marist College (11/3)

19. CBS (10/31-11/2)

20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)

21. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)

ETA: The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

22. CBS/Times (10/25-29)

23. Newsweek (10/22-23)

I know!

I saw that as well! Thanks for posting it here!

 

[teapartysamurai]

real clear politics average obama +3.1

unlike last week, no polls show romney tied or ahead. last week there were at least two.

gallup has president at+5

i saw rasmussen at +5 but that's not showing on RCP yet...

CNN Opinion Research at +6 for obama

RCP Avg

Obama 48.3
Romney 45.4

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

you're delusional... but then again, we knew that.

They had Mondale, and Dukakis ahead at this time.

These polls now mean nothing.

BTW, McCain was ahead of Obama this time in September. Everybody remember?

 

[teapartysamurai]

I think the State by State polls tell a different story as well.

For Example PPP (D) won't give their methodolgy for Ohio, but have Obama up 5.

Gravis has Romney up by 3 but also won't give out how they sample.

Columbus Dispatch has it as a tie, but CHECK OUT THE MONEY QUOTE BURIED IN THE ARTICLE:

Sixty-two percent say the country is on the wrong track. A total of 55 percent — including 1 out of 7 Obama supporters — say the president’s performance since taking office has been worse than they hoped.

Dispatch Poll results: Tight races put undecided voters in control | The Columbus Dispatch

Does that sound like a "tie" to you? Doesn't to me, either!

Like I said. The polls right now are meaningless and are trying to shape opinion, not reflect it.

 

[AceRothstein]

Bush did lose the popular vote in 2000.

While winning the electoral vote.

The polls being wrong didn't hurt them.

Bush was up in most polls in 2004.

Utter nonsense, the party press was in shock that Bush won.

Polling before the Walker recall showed that he would NOT be recalled.

So, what color is the sky on your planet?

Dem poll: Walker recall battle is a dead heat - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

{Barrett leads among women, minorities, young voters, and residents of Milwaukee county and greater Madison. Barrett is also winning independent voters 48 to 46 percent, a lead that is within the margin of error.}

Walker's lead in Wisconsin recall election tightens in new poll - ABC News

The polls in 2000 weren't wrong though. They had both Bush and Gore up 1 or 2 points which was well within the margin of error.

Here are the 2004 polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

Here are the Walker recall polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Wisconsin Governor Recall Election - Walker vs. Barrett

 

[Liability]

* * * *

Obama is going to win easily--5 million votes or so; 300-320 Electoral Votes. Book it. Hope you like your new sig line

It is beyond hysterical how urgently cornycane wants to believe that vapid bullshit.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Bush did lose the popular vote in 2000.

While winning the electoral vote.

The polls being wrong didn't hurt them.



Utter nonsense, the party press was in shock that Bush won.

Polling before the Walker recall showed that he would NOT be recalled.

So, what color is the sky on your planet?

Dem poll: Walker recall battle is a dead heat - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

{Barrett leads among women, minorities, young voters, and residents of Milwaukee county and greater Madison. Barrett is also winning independent voters 48 to 46 percent, a lead that is within the margin of error.}

Walker's lead in Wisconsin recall election tightens in new poll - ABC News

The polls in 2000 weren't wrong though. They had both Bush and Gore up 1 or 2 points which was well within the margin of error.

Here are the 2004 polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

Here are the Walker recall polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Wisconsin Governor Recall Election - Walker vs. Barrett

Those aren't the polls for September, they are for October, closer to the election.

Further, they are for Bush v. Kerry, NOT Bush v. Gore.

 

[AceRothstein]

Yes, the pollsters are willing to stake their reputations and livelihood on incorrect poll numbers just to show Obama ahead.

Yes.

Then not to look like complete assholes, by the third week in September you will see a tightening in the numbers with the polls that have super wide margins for Obama.

Maybe they will tighten, maybe they won't. Maybe the gap will widen. We will soon find out.

 

[Article 15]

While winning the electoral vote.

The polls being wrong didn't hurt them.



Utter nonsense, the party press was in shock that Bush won.



So, what color is the sky on your planet?

Dem poll: Walker recall battle is a dead heat - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

{Barrett leads among women, minorities, young voters, and residents of Milwaukee county and greater Madison. Barrett is also winning independent voters 48 to 46 percent, a lead that is within the margin of error.}

Walker's lead in Wisconsin recall election tightens in new poll - ABC News

The polls in 2000 weren't wrong though. They had both Bush and Gore up 1 or 2 points which was well within the margin of error.

Here are the 2004 polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

Here are the Walker recall polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Wisconsin Governor Recall Election - Walker vs. Barrett

Those aren't the polls for September, they are for October, closer to the election.

Further, they are for Bush v. Kerry, NOT Bush v. Gore.

Apparently, you are unable to navigate a website properly. Here let me help you:

Newsweek 9/30 - 10/2 -- 45 47 Kerry +2
Sacred Heart Univ 9/27 - 10/2 -- 48 43 Bush +5
Battleground 9/27 - 9/30 -- 51 44 Bush +7
LA Times 9/25 - 9/28 -- 51 45 Bush +6
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/24 - 9/26 -- 52 44 Bush +8
IBD/TIPP 9/22 - 9/27 -- 45 45 Tie
ABC News/Wash Post 9/23 - 9/26 -- 51 45 Bush +6
Pew Research 9/22 - 9/26 -- 48 40 Bush +8
Time 9/21 - 9/23 -- 48 42 Bush +6
FOX News 9/21 - 9/22 -- 46 42 Bush +4
Battleground 9/20 - 9/23 -- 50 45 Bush +5
Marist 9/20 - 9/22 -- 50 44 Bush +6
CBS News 9/20 - 9/22 -- 51 42 Bush +9
AP-Ipsos 9/20 - 9/22 -- 52 45 Bush +7
Pew Research 9/17 - 9/21 -- 45 42 Bush +3
NBC/WSJ 9/17 - 9/19 -- 50 46 Bush +4
Zogby 9/17 - 9/19 -- 46 43 Bush +3
IBD/TIPP 9/14 - 9/18 -- 45 42 Bush +3
ARG 9/7 - 9/21 -- 47 46 Bush +1
CBS News 9/12 - 9/16 -- 50 41 Bush +9
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/13 - 9/15 -- 54 40 Bush +14
Battleground 9/12 - 9/15 -- 49 45 Bush +4
Pew Research 9/11 - 9/14 -- 47 46 Bush +1
Harris 9/9 - 9/13 -- 47 48 Kerry +1
Newsweek 9/9 - 9/10 -- 49 43 Bush +6
IBD/TIPP 9/7 - 9/12 -- 46 46 Tie
Zogby 9/8 - 9/9 -- 46 42 Bush +4
Time 9/7 - 9/9 -- 52 41 Bush +11
AP-Ipsos 9/7 - 9/9 -- 51 46 Bush +5
FOX News 9/7 - 9/8 -- 47 43 Bush +4
ABC News/Wash Post 9/6 - 9/8 -- 52 43 Bush +9
Pew Research 9/8 - 9/10 -- 54 38 Bush +16
CBS News 9/6 - 9/8 -- 49 42 Bush +7
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/3 - 9/5 -- 52 45 Bush +7
Newsweek 9/2 - 9/3 -- 52 41 Bush +11

 

[theDoctorisIn]

POLL: RACE TIGHT AS OBAMA EDGE NARROWS TO 2 PTS...

SWING STATE DAILY TRACKING: O 47%, R 45%...

CNN: OBAMA +6...

POLLED MORE DEMS?

ABCNEWSWASHPOST LIKELY VOTERS: O 49% R 48%...

... SURVEYED 33% DEMOCRAT, 23% REPUBLICAN

GALLUP FLASHBACK: MONDALE TOPS REAGAN...

WHICH POLLS WERE MOST ACCURATE IN '08?

DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

They are over sampling Democrats to get the Results they want.

They aren't doing this to show Obama ahead. They are doing this to convice Conservatives Obama is so ahead it's no use. They might as well stay home and not bother voting.

They are hoping to dispirit Romney supporters.

The liberal media will try any trick to try and get their guy over the finish line.

Remember they called Florida for Gore in 2000, with only 1% of the results in.

People got out of line waiting to vote for Bush, (in Florida) because they thought the election was over and it was no use.

They will try anything to keep you from voting.

Don't fall for usual tricks.

Hey Sam check this out. I was just about to put up a new thread, but I'll throw it here. Next time some lib tries to tell any of us Rasmussen is full of shit, tell em to stick it where the sun don't shine.

From this article:

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate?
Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Here is the list –

1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**

1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)**

3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)

4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)

5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*

6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*

6T. ARG (10/25-27)*

8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)

8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)

10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)

11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)

12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)

13. FOX (11/1-2)

14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)

15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)

16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)

17. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)

18. Marist College (11/3)

19. CBS (10/31-11/2)

20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)

21. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)

ETA: The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate? | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

22. CBS/Times (10/25-29)

23. Newsweek (10/22-23)

Rasmussen has Obama +5.

 

[AceRothstein]

The polls in 2000 weren't wrong though. They had both Bush and Gore up 1 or 2 points which was well within the margin of error.

Here are the 2004 polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry

Here are the Walker recall polls. RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - Wisconsin Governor Recall Election - Walker vs. Barrett

Those aren't the polls for September, they are for October, closer to the election.

Further, they are for Bush v. Kerry, NOT Bush v. Gore.

Apparently, you are unable to navigate a website properly. Here let me help you:

Newsweek 9/30 - 10/2 -- 45 47 Kerry +2
Sacred Heart Univ 9/27 - 10/2 -- 48 43 Bush +5
Battleground 9/27 - 9/30 -- 51 44 Bush +7
LA Times 9/25 - 9/28 -- 51 45 Bush +6
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/24 - 9/26 -- 52 44 Bush +8
IBD/TIPP 9/22 - 9/27 -- 45 45 Tie
ABC News/Wash Post 9/23 - 9/26 -- 51 45 Bush +6
Pew Research 9/22 - 9/26 -- 48 40 Bush +8
Time 9/21 - 9/23 -- 48 42 Bush +6
FOX News 9/21 - 9/22 -- 46 42 Bush +4
Battleground 9/20 - 9/23 -- 50 45 Bush +5
Marist 9/20 - 9/22 -- 50 44 Bush +6
CBS News 9/20 - 9/22 -- 51 42 Bush +9
AP-Ipsos 9/20 - 9/22 -- 52 45 Bush +7
Pew Research 9/17 - 9/21 -- 45 42 Bush +3
NBC/WSJ 9/17 - 9/19 -- 50 46 Bush +4
Zogby 9/17 - 9/19 -- 46 43 Bush +3
IBD/TIPP 9/14 - 9/18 -- 45 42 Bush +3
ARG 9/7 - 9/21 -- 47 46 Bush +1
CBS News 9/12 - 9/16 -- 50 41 Bush +9
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/13 - 9/15 -- 54 40 Bush +14
Battleground 9/12 - 9/15 -- 49 45 Bush +4
Pew Research 9/11 - 9/14 -- 47 46 Bush +1
Harris 9/9 - 9/13 -- 47 48 Kerry +1
Newsweek 9/9 - 9/10 -- 49 43 Bush +6
IBD/TIPP 9/7 - 9/12 -- 46 46 Tie
Zogby 9/8 - 9/9 -- 46 42 Bush +4
Time 9/7 - 9/9 -- 52 41 Bush +11
AP-Ipsos 9/7 - 9/9 -- 51 46 Bush +5
FOX News 9/7 - 9/8 -- 47 43 Bush +4
ABC News/Wash Post 9/6 - 9/8 -- 52 43 Bush +9
Pew Research 9/8 - 9/10 -- 54 38 Bush +16
CBS News 9/6 - 9/8 -- 49 42 Bush +7
CNN/USA Today/Gallup 9/3 - 9/5 -- 52 45 Bush +7
Newsweek 9/2 - 9/3 -- 52 41 Bush +11

The same for the Walker data. Most polls showed Walker in the lead. There are always going to be outliers.

 

[AceRothstein]

Which pollsters have been embarrassed out of the business for being wrong?

No, the press is in the tank for Obama. The polls are not accurate. And the reporting on them is less so. So is the "fact checking" that goes on.

The more accurate a pollster is, the more they can charge for their swrgices

You know this how? Many of the polls are done by news orgs. They generate readership thereby. So they aren't charging anything.

Do you think the polling agencies work for free? They don't only poll political races but use the major races as a way to advertise their services.