This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam

Disagree that it doesn't matter. Agree that we will continue to treat it under the terms of the Constitution until (and if) it becomes clear that it needs to be treated otherwise. We are not there yet, but we should continue to keep our eyes open, because we are dealing with an alien and largely incompatible hybrid belief system that may cause us considerable difficulty in the coming years.

Our constitution has prevented a Christian majority from forcing religious law on us - I trust that they will likewise prevent a Muslim minority from imposing religious law :)

And what gives you reason to extend that trust ? (when you don't even know what you're talking about)

Protectionism does not get to redefine American history and the Constitution.

Our trust is in the Constitution, not the delusions of a few far wing nut reactionary philosophy.
 
Angola denies reports on banning Islam

Angola's government has denied it had banned Islam and closed mosques in the country, after media speculation that sparked outrage among Muslims worldwide.

"There is no war in Angola against Islam or any other religion," said Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs, part of the ministry of culture, onTuesday.

"There is no official position that targets the destruction or closure of places of worship, whichever they are." Fernando told AFP news agency.

David Ja, a spokesman for local Muslims, challenged the government's account and said that a number of mosques had already been closed.

But according to the ministry of culture, those closures were related to a lack of necessary land titles, building licenses or other official documents.

A witness in the province of Uige (Carmona) told Al Jazeera that the closed mosques were hastility built by expatriate communities from west and north Africa who needed a place to perform Friday prayers.

“It’s true that several mosques have been destroyed and others simply shut down in the last few months. Most of the mosques that were destroyed were built without government permission. Two authorised mosques in Luanda are still operating without a problem. I have not heard of any official decision to ban Islam or prohibit Muslim prayers in mosques.” Ahmed ould Taher told Al Jazeera.

Angola denies reports on banning Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English
 
IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.
 
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IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.


Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English
 
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Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.


Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

Sorry. I'm busy now answering other posts. Get back to you LATER.
 
Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.


Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

Sorry. I'm busy now answering other posts. Get back to you LATER.

What's new?
 
IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

How exactly would banning Islam help our country?

That's like banning guns as an answer to gun violence; you don't really solve anything and now, you have unarmed citizens who can no longer protect themselves.

Furthermore, wouldn't you say that our constitution very specificity guarantees religious freedom? Aren't you pro-constitution or is that only when it suits you?

Banning a religion? How about banning Christianity because of sexual abuses by members of the churches that are propagating it?

Kind of a very slippery slope once the government starts regulating religion. I hope that's never the case, because the day you become outnumbered, you're next.

Sure would help if people would read the thread before they come tumbling in here, clueless to the progress of it.

EARTH TO MADCABBIE: See Post # 72 (Islam is not a religion)

Islam is ALREADY banned in America by the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause) It just isn't being enforced, that's all.

No it's not like banning guns. Islam being banned doesn't leave people disarmed and an enforcement of it would reduce terrorism and the thousands of instances of Islamization, by making it harder for the dozens of Muslim Brotherhood front groups to organize their Islamizations, and impose them on Americans.

Banning Christianity is another topic. I trust you could find the Start New Thread button.

I'm "next". "Next" what ?
 
Our constitution has prevented a Christian majority from forcing religious law on us - I trust that they will likewise prevent a Muslim minority from imposing religious law :)

And what gives you reason to extend that trust ? (when you don't even know what you're talking about)

Protectionism does not get to redefine American history and the Constitution.

Our trust is in the Constitution, not the delusions of a few far wing nut reactionary philosophy.

You changed the subject. I wasn't asking her about American history or the Constitution, and I know I don't get to redefine them, nor did I ever purport to, so why are you bringing up these unattached, unrelated things ?

What I was asking her was why she would "trust that they will likewise prevent a Muslim minority from imposing religious law" (when a Muslim minority has ALREADY imposed Islam upon Americans innumerable times, and has been doing it for 22 years-examples > Lina Morales, footwashing basins, radio talk show hosts, Sum of All Fears, etc)

PS - if you believe in the Constitution then why aren't you calling for the enforcement of that Constitution's (Article 6, Section 2) ban on supremacism (ex-Islam) ? (which it appears you're oblivious to)
 
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IT"S STARTING. The Dominos are beginning to fall. Angola today. Eventually, every country in the world will ban Islam. How comforting to see the photograph of the heavy demolition equipment knocking down the minarets, and destroying the mosques. Click the link to see it.

This Country May Have Become the First in the World to Ban Islam - PolicyMic

How exactly would banning Islam help our country?

That's like banning guns as an answer to gun violence; you don't really solve anything and now, you have unarmed citizens who can no longer protect themselves.

Furthermore, wouldn't you say that our constitution very specificity guarantees religious freedom? Aren't you pro-constitution or is that only when it suits you?

Banning a religion? How about banning Christianity because of sexual abuses by members of the churches that are propagating it?

Kind of a very slippery slope once the government starts regulating religion. I hope that's never the case, because the day you become outnumbered, you're next.

Sure would help if people would read the thread before they come tumbling in here, clueless to the progress of it.

EARTH TO MADCABBIE: See Post # 72 (Islam is not a religion)

Islam is ALREADY banned in America by the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause) It just isn't being enforced, that's all.

No it's not like banning guns. Islam being banned doesn't leave people disarmed and an enforcement of it would reduce terrorism and the thousands of instances of Islamization, by making it harder for the dozens of Muslim Brotherhood front groups to organize their Islamizations, and impose them on Americans.

Banning Christianity is another topic. I trust you could find the Start New Thread button.

I'm "next". "Next" what ?

I cant seem to find anything supporting your claim that Islam is banned in the US. As a matter of fact such a law would go directly against the 1rst amendment.
 
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Angola denies reports on banning Islam

Angola's government has denied it had banned Islam and closed mosques in the country, after media speculation that sparked outrage among Muslims worldwide.

"There is no war in Angola against Islam or any other religion," said Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs, part of the ministry of culture, onTuesday.

"There is no official position that targets the destruction or closure of places of worship, whichever they are." Fernando told AFP news agency.

David Ja, a spokesman for local Muslims, challenged the government's account and said that a number of mosques had already been closed.

But according to the ministry of culture, those closures were related to a lack of necessary land titles, building licenses or other official documents.

A witness in the province of Uige (Carmona) told Al Jazeera that the closed mosques were hastility built by expatriate communities from west and north Africa who needed a place to perform Friday prayers.

“It’s true that several mosques have been destroyed and others simply shut down in the last few months. Most of the mosques that were destroyed were built without government permission. Two authorised mosques in Luanda are still operating without a problem. I have not heard of any official decision to ban Islam or prohibit Muslim prayers in mosques.” Ahmed ould Taher told Al Jazeera.

Angola denies reports on banning Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

So heavy equipment (bulldozers, payloaders, etc) go around demolishing minarets and mosques (not bothering any Christian churches), and Islam is not being banned, right ?
EARTH TO SUNNI MAN: Anytime a new govt policy is made, there will ALWAYS be a politician or 2 who will deny it exists. :lol: Be advised. When they go around knocking down your mosques.....you've had it, brother.
 
Its the second largest religion in the world and one of the fastest growing. Not too many countries will be banning it

List of religious populations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.


Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

1. It doesn't sound anything like Christianity. No religion, ideology, cult, or nation has ever come close to the horrific record of Islam's 270 million people killed, over 1400 years, and the lunatics are still out there doing it now, wheras Christianity quit it's evildoings centuries ago.

2. Whether Islam is a sanctioned religion here in the US (not so in some other countries) or not, doesn't change the fact that it's simply NOT A RELIGION. Religions are defined by their actions, not some vote-pandering suck-ups in Washington DC, or anywhere else. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam and its terrible Koran are a code of UNethics, which are unconstitutional in America, seditious, and in violation of numerous US laws.

3. If they've been demolishing mosques (and they have) you can bet the story is not a fraud. Anybody can say anything. Proof is in the pudding (bulldozers).

4. The link story does NOT say that ANGOLA denies the report of Islam being banned. It says that ONE MAN says that, and he is not "ANGOLA". In addition that one man's denial is challenged by Angolan Muslims who point to the many mosques that the govt has demolished. Got it now ?
 
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How exactly would banning Islam help our country?

That's like banning guns as an answer to gun violence; you don't really solve anything and now, you have unarmed citizens who can no longer protect themselves.

Furthermore, wouldn't you say that our constitution very specificity guarantees religious freedom? Aren't you pro-constitution or is that only when it suits you?

Banning a religion? How about banning Christianity because of sexual abuses by members of the churches that are propagating it?

Kind of a very slippery slope once the government starts regulating religion. I hope that's never the case, because the day you become outnumbered, you're next.

Sure would help if people would read the thread before they come tumbling in here, clueless to the progress of it.

EARTH TO MADCABBIE: See Post # 72 (Islam is not a religion)

Islam is ALREADY banned in America by the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause) It just isn't being enforced, that's all.

No it's not like banning guns. Islam being banned doesn't leave people disarmed and an enforcement of it would reduce terrorism and the thousands of instances of Islamization, by making it harder for the dozens of Muslim Brotherhood front groups to organize their Islamizations, and impose them on Americans.

Banning Christianity is another topic. I trust you could find the Start New Thread button.

I'm "next". "Next" what ?

I cant seem to find anything supporting your claim that Islam is banned in the US. As a matter of fact such a law would go directly against the 1rst amendment.

How strange that you can't find it (HA HA HA HA), when I've been posting it left and right IN THIS THREAD, over & over. what's the matter ? Lost your reading glasses today ? I've probably posted alltogether in this forum (despite my being new here) over 100 times.
Well OK, Mr. NOT QUITE WITH IT. Here is your law that bans Islam (and any other supremacist ideology as well)

US CONSTITUTION - Article 6, Section 2 (the Supremacy Clause)

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

PS- Islam is also banned by virtue of US Codes 2384 & 2385. Here THEY are.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."


PS - Maybe you hadn't heard but there a whole lot of things that "go directly against the 1st amendment" For example, in the 1st amendment's free speech category, we have slander, libel, perjury, sedition, conspiracy speech of various types, obscenity law, fighting words, inciting a riot, etc. All examples of speech. All ILLEGAL. The 1st amendment, with its many exceptions, is the weakest part of the Constitution. The supremacy clause, with zero exceptions, is the strongest. Also, since Islam is not a religion, it has no connection to the 1st amendment, other than being in total contradiction to it.
 
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Islam is not a religion.
It's obvious how Islam came to be purported as a "religion". When the founders of it were espousing imperialist genocidal mass murder, extreme misogyny, rape, pedophilia, kidnapping/slavery, torture/mutilation, racial and sexist discrimination, animal cruelty/killing, and other vile things, and were looking for troops to join them in their conquests throughout Asia Minor, they needed something very powerful and extreme to offset and shield them from the severe condemnation they were sure to get.
The answer was religion. By pretending that the Koran, and all of its hatred and immorality was the word of God, they forced the people to accept it. After all, nobody wants to go against God do they ? As this grandiose con job spread, over time, it became deeper and deeper entrenched as a religion, and more and more difficult to abolish or reform.
And it spread only because the murderous Muslim marauders who spread it, killed 270 million people around the world to do that. Many, if not most, Muslims living today, trace their ancestry back to people who were non-Muslims and were forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way for someone to call himself a Muslim.

Also, see the links in Post # 72.


Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

1. It doesn't sound anything like Christianity. No religion, ideology, cult, or nation has ever come close to the horrific record of Islam's 270 million people killed, over 1400 years, and the lunatics are still out there doing it now, wheras Christianity quit it's evildoings centuries ago.

2. Whether Islam is a sanctioned religion here in the US (not so in some other countries) or not, doesn't change the fact that it's simply NOT A RELIGION. Religions are defined by their actions, not some vote-pandering suck-ups in Washington DC, or anywhere else. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam and its terrible Koran are a code of UNethics, which are unconstitutional in America, seditious, and in violation of numerous US laws.

3. If they've been demolishing mosques (and they have) you can bet the story is not a fraud. Anybody can say anything. Proof is in the pudding (bulldozers).

4. The link story does NOT say that ANGOLA denies the report of Islam being banned. It says that ONE MAN says that, and he is not "ANGOLA". In addition that one man's denial is challenged by Angolan Muslims who point to the many mosques that the govt has demolished. Got it now ?

!. Sorry man. Sounds exactly like Christianity to me. I dont know if you can begin to estimate how many people have died because of Christianity being used to take over nations. Christianity was the shock troop for imperialism if you read your history.

2. You said it was a banned religion. Are you moving the goal posts? Your opinion that it is not a religion is just your opinion. It fits within the definition of a religion under the 1rst amendment.

3. I think thats just your take on it. Could it be possible the mosque was not sanctioned or they didn't pay taxes, fees, or had it properly inspected? Why are other mosques still open?

4. That one man is the ambassador to the US from Angola. There is another man Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs that says the same thing.

According to the ministry of culture, these closures were related to a lack of necessary land titles, building licenses or other official documents.

Angola denies banning Islam after outcry
 
Sure would help if people would read the thread before they come tumbling in here, clueless to the progress of it.

EARTH TO MADCABBIE: See Post # 72 (Islam is not a religion)

Islam is ALREADY banned in America by the Constitution (Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause) It just isn't being enforced, that's all.

No it's not like banning guns. Islam being banned doesn't leave people disarmed and an enforcement of it would reduce terrorism and the thousands of instances of Islamization, by making it harder for the dozens of Muslim Brotherhood front groups to organize their Islamizations, and impose them on Americans.

Banning Christianity is another topic. I trust you could find the Start New Thread button.

I'm "next". "Next" what ?

I cant seem to find anything supporting your claim that Islam is banned in the US. As a matter of fact such a law would go directly against the 1rst amendment.

How strange that you can't find it (HA HA HA HA), when I've been posting it left and right IN THIS THREAD, over & over. what's the matter ? Lost your reading glasses today ? I've probably posted alltogether in this forum (despite my being new here) over 100 times.
Well OK, Mr. NOT QUITE WITH IT. Here is your law that bans Islam (and any other supremacist ideology as well)

US CONSTITUTION - Article 6, Section 2 (the Supremacy Clause)

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

PS- Islam is also banned by virtue of US Codes 2384 & 2385. Here THEY are.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."


PS - Maybe you hadn't heard but there a whole lot of things that "go directly against the 1st amendment" For example, in the 1st amendment's free speech category, we have slander, libel, perjury, sedition, conspiracy speech of various types, obscenity law, fighting words, inciting a riot, etc. All examples of speech. All ILLEGAL. The 1st amendment, with its many exceptions, is the weakest part of the Constitution. The supremacy clause, with zero exceptions, is the strongest. Also, since Islam is not a religion, it has no connection to the 1st amendment, other than being in total contradiction to it.

I am beginning to think you are seriously confused. Can you make up your mind? Where does it say Islam is banned? The only thing I see is that the Federal government has the final word when it comes to law.

18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
Did you notice it says persons and not religions?

18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government
Again please tell me where it states religions.

You keep saying Islam is not a religion in direct contradiction to the dictionary. They pray to a god named Allah and have religious practices.

Religion:
1.
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
 
And what gives you reason to extend that trust ? (when you don't even know what you're talking about)

Protectionism does not get to redefine American history and the Constitution.

Our trust is in the Constitution, not the delusions of a few far wing nut reactionary philosophy.

You changed the subject. I wasn't asking her about American history or the Constitution, and I know I don't get to redefine them, nor did I ever purport to, so why are you bringing up these unattached, unrelated things ?

What I was asking her was why she would "trust that they will likewise prevent a Muslim minority from imposing religious law" (when a Muslim minority has ALREADY imposed Islam upon Americans innumerable times, and has been doing it for 22 years-examples > Lina Morales, footwashing basins, radio talk show hosts, Sum of All Fears, etc)

PS - if you believe in the Constitution then why aren't you calling for the enforcement of that Constitution's (Article 6, Section 2) ban on supremacism (ex-Islam) ? (which it appears you're oblivious to)

Because your lack of understanding about American history and the Constitution undermines your arguments.

We will treat any problems as criminal secular matters, which is more than sufficient. Nothing the Islamists are trying to do will be permitted that contradicts the Constitution. Your interpretation of Article 6 Section 2 remains errant.

But since you believe in governmental supremacism, then you do not believe in Amendment X or and endorse the changes to it through Amendment IV.
 
Sounds a lot like Christianity. Doesn't change the fact that its a sanctioned religion here in the US and abroad.

Says here the story is a fraud.

Angola denies it has banned Islam - Africa - Al Jazeera English

1. It doesn't sound anything like Christianity. No religion, ideology, cult, or nation has ever come close to the horrific record of Islam's 270 million people killed, over 1400 years, and the lunatics are still out there doing it now, wheras Christianity quit it's evildoings centuries ago.

2. Whether Islam is a sanctioned religion here in the US (not so in some other countries) or not, doesn't change the fact that it's simply NOT A RELIGION. Religions are defined by their actions, not some vote-pandering suck-ups in Washington DC, or anywhere else. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam and its terrible Koran are a code of UNethics, which are unconstitutional in America, seditious, and in violation of numerous US laws.

3. If they've been demolishing mosques (and they have) you can bet the story is not a fraud. Anybody can say anything. Proof is in the pudding (bulldozers).

4. The link story does NOT say that ANGOLA denies the report of Islam being banned. It says that ONE MAN says that, and he is not "ANGOLA". In addition that one man's denial is challenged by Angolan Muslims who point to the many mosques that the govt has demolished. Got it now ?

!. Sorry man. Sounds exactly like Christianity to me. I dont know if you can begin to estimate how many people have died because of Christianity being used to take over nations. Christianity was the shock troop for imperialism if you read your history.

2. You said it was a banned religion. Are you moving the goal posts? Your opinion that it is not a religion is just your opinion. It fits within the definition of a religion under the 1rst amendment.

3. I think thats just your take on it. Could it be possible the mosque was not sanctioned or they didn't pay taxes, fees, or had it properly inspected? Why are other mosques still open?

4. That one man is the ambassador to the US from Angola. There is another man Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs that says the same thing.

According to the ministry of culture, these closures were related to a lack of necessary land titles, building licenses or other official documents.

Angola denies banning Islam after outcry

1. FALSE! I've been hearing this dumb line for years. Christianity was not used to take over nations. Actually, the missionaries had nothing to do with imperialism. All they did was spread religion. The military guys (conquistadores, etc) were the imperialists seeking gold, wealth, land, and patriotism)

2. The 1st amendment does not define religion. :lol: As for goal posts, I don't know what you mean by that.

3. What other mosques still open ? If so, maybe they just haven't got to them yet. Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. :lol:

4. One man. Two men. HA HA. That'll be the day when I rest my case on what some politician says. You see mosques going down ? You see Islam going down.
 
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Protectionism does not get to redefine American history and the Constitution.

Our trust is in the Constitution, not the delusions of a few far wing nut reactionary philosophy.

You changed the subject. I wasn't asking her about American history or the Constitution, and I know I don't get to redefine them, nor did I ever purport to, so why are you bringing up these unattached, unrelated things ?

What I was asking her was why she would "trust that they will likewise prevent a Muslim minority from imposing religious law" (when a Muslim minority has ALREADY imposed Islam upon Americans innumerable times, and has been doing it for 22 years-examples > Lina Morales, footwashing basins, radio talk show hosts, Sum of All Fears, etc)

PS - if you believe in the Constitution then why aren't you calling for the enforcement of that Constitution's (Article 6, Section 2) ban on supremacism (ex-Islam) ? (which it appears you're oblivious to)

Because your lack of understanding about American history and the Constitution undermines your arguments.

We will treat any problems as criminal secular matters, which is more than sufficient. Nothing the Islamists are trying to do will be permitted that contradicts the Constitution. Your interpretation of Article 6 Section 2 remains errant.

But since you believe in governmental supremacism, then you do not believe in Amendment X or and endorse the changes to it through Amendment IV.

FALSE! And I might add that your attempt to appear erudite looks ridiculous. Form is trumped by content, every time, and that's what you don't have here, right now. YES, something the Islamists are trying to do that contradicts the Constitution (practice Islam), IS BEING PERMITTED. Very much so. With mosques and madrasses all over the country. It's being permitted in violation of the Constitution's Supremacy Clause, as well as in violation of US Codes 2384 & 2385.

I've been posting these arguments for years, boy. You're not going to come hunkering in here and displace them, one ounce. Neither one of your oh so clever ploy amendments has a damn thing to do with a supremacist ideology putting itself Supreme over the Constitution. Nice ridiculous try. Any more amendments you want to talk about ? Plenty of them to choose from. :eusa_whistle:
 
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1. It doesn't sound anything like Christianity. No religion, ideology, cult, or nation has ever come close to the horrific record of Islam's 270 million people killed, over 1400 years, and the lunatics are still out there doing it now, wheras Christianity quit it's evildoings centuries ago.

2. Whether Islam is a sanctioned religion here in the US (not so in some other countries) or not, doesn't change the fact that it's simply NOT A RELIGION. Religions are defined by their actions, not some vote-pandering suck-ups in Washington DC, or anywhere else. Religions are systems of belief with a code of ethics. Islam and its terrible Koran are a code of UNethics, which are unconstitutional in America, seditious, and in violation of numerous US laws.

3. If they've been demolishing mosques (and they have) you can bet the story is not a fraud. Anybody can say anything. Proof is in the pudding (bulldozers).

4. The link story does NOT say that ANGOLA denies the report of Islam being banned. It says that ONE MAN says that, and he is not "ANGOLA". In addition that one man's denial is challenged by Angolan Muslims who point to the many mosques that the govt has demolished. Got it now ?

!. Sorry man. Sounds exactly like Christianity to me. I dont know if you can begin to estimate how many people have died because of Christianity being used to take over nations. Christianity was the shock troop for imperialism if you read your history.

2. You said it was a banned religion. Are you moving the goal posts? Your opinion that it is not a religion is just your opinion. It fits within the definition of a religion under the 1rst amendment.

3. I think thats just your take on it. Could it be possible the mosque was not sanctioned or they didn't pay taxes, fees, or had it properly inspected? Why are other mosques still open?

4. That one man is the ambassador to the US from Angola. There is another man Manuel Fernando, director of the National Institute for Religious Affairs that says the same thing.

According to the ministry of culture, these closures were related to a lack of necessary land titles, building licenses or other official documents.

Angola denies banning Islam after outcry

1. FALSE! I've been hearing this dumb line for years. Christianity was not used to take over nations. Actually, the missionaries had nothing to do with imperialism. All they did was spread religion. The military guys (conquistadores, etc) were the imperialists seeking gold, wealth, land, and patriotism)

2. The 1st amendment does not define religion. :lol: As for goal posts, I don't know what you mean by that.

3. What other mosques still open ? If so, maybe they just haven't got to them yet. Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. :lol:

4. One man. Two men. HA HA. That'll be the day when I rest my case on what some politician says. You see mosques going down ? You see Islam going down.

1. Typing false in bold, red letters doesnt change that its true. it just shows you are emotional. I guess this one is a dead end for debate.

2. The first amendment protects the practice of religion. As for goal posts you said first that Islam is banned. Then you said it didn't matter if it wasn't banned because it was not a religion. Now your back to saying it is banned. Please show me a sentence anywhere that say the words "Islam is banned" in the US and/or that it is not a religion. Can you do that?

3. I can see I am interrupting a fantasy of epic proportions that tinges on sexual in nature. My apologies.

4. I can only go by what the government officials that decide whether or not to ban Islam say. I highly doubt your dream comes true before you expire. Good luck with that. :lol:
 

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