This 6 minute video sums up the shocking facts of American wealth and inequality

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again, wouldn't you try to change a rule that let prep-school baseball teams start every inning with the bases loaded, even if your own team doesn't load the bases on its own very often, which is what you mean when you imply, "You didn't earn it either, so let them have their unearned privilege."

Or would you call that manly resentment "jealousy" motivated only by the fact that your team always loses to them? You are trying to avoid the real issue, which is having Daddy's Money put inferior people in superior positions over us. Not only that, but they make sure that only no-talent self-hating brown-noses get to scratch and claw their way up to the class the Heirheads were born in. It is our natural right to demand a society run by those with the most talent. I'm not going to claim that even the Heirheads would benefit from that. I don't lower myself to try to persuade high and mighty lowlife. To me, they're just guillotine fodder.

having Daddy's Money put inferior people in superior positions over us.

Now, now, just because you're inferior doesn't mean you're in charge.
Go whine in Cuba, everyone is equal there.

In a free country, a lazy, Low IQ draftdodger like Bush would have wound up living in a trailer park. On parlor socialism, you've got things upside down. Fidel Castro came from one of the richest families in Cuba, so it's the same structure as the United States. This was brought out in a Robert Redford movie when he asked one of Batista's thugs why so many of the Communists were from the upper class. The policeman answered, "The father of the one you know worked my father to death. The rich get tired of screwing us one way, so they try another. That's all Communism is."

You have a childish fixation in finding a Big Shot father figure, so you have to believe that one of the phony factions of the ruling class is on your side. You dream that they will adopt you, get your kid out of the draft if that comes up, makes sure you're in a situation where you don't have to be smart to become richer, and place you above people with talent, who will be your slaves. Your ultimate goal is to be accepted for Country Club membership, with one of the spoiled Heirheads patting you on the head and saying, "We forgive you for not being born rich."

The only thing rusty here is your brain.

Sorry the rich made you a failure.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're missing the point. Start with unquestionably unearned wealth first, and you may not have to go beyond that. Above-average inheritance and trust funds must be confiscated. Given an undeserved head start, the spoiled-rotten children of the rich will become a cancer on society. So they must be cut off from Daddy's Money at age 18. If we have to do it on our own, so must they.

YOU are missing the point. YOU have no right to "start" confiscating ANY wealth that is not obtained illegally. Nor do you have the right, let me hasten to add, to illegalize a method of gaining wealth SIMPLY because you personally do not approve of it - or, I think more accurately, you don't personally have access to it.

Try to comprehend this, because it's important.

Other people's money is not yours. You may not think THEY earned it, but YOU sure as shit didn't.

Well, now, that would be your opinion.

No, shitstain, that is not an opinion. That is fact. It is not yours = you did not earn it. Period. End of discussion. No amount of being a liberal will make you able to change reality simply by saying so.

Which, me poor ignorant con girl, really has no value of any kind.

Remind me to pencil in five minutes later next week to seriously not give a damn what you consider to have "value".

Now I know you do not like taxing wealth. Just seems so wrong to you.

Giving my belongings to the government to mismanage and squander? Yeah, I'm quirky that way.

Why, you have been told it is wrong, and you believe what you have been told.

Strike one, fuckstick. Making assumptions about total strangers is never a good idea. Making assumptions about me when you just got here? Might as well give up and go join the Justin Bieber message board right now. THEY might still respect you.

Why, me girl, isn't it great to be angry. You do so love being angry.

I suppose thinking so might give some tincture of meaning to your existence, but the truth is, just because I'm too smart to view your stupidity without being enraged that it is allowed to exist and flatter itself that it is valid doesn't mean I enjoy it.

So the sad truth is that everyone in your childhood was right: you're a hopeless nuisance, and nothing more. Ah, well.

But here is the thing, me poor ignorant con tool. You will pay the taxes that we all pay. They may be the lowest since the 1950's. They may be near the lowest of any country in the world. But they will make you scream like a stuck pig(which is in reality a good likeness of you). Because you are a con tool. And, me girl, no one really takes you seriously. You are incapable of economic argument. Just beyond you. Better to spend your time in the bat shit crazy con web sites accomplishing cut and paste duties.

ROFL! Right, newbie. You just keep telling yourself that. And while you're at it, tell yourself that you've cut me to the quick and really scored here. I'll consider it my charitable act for the week . . . if I can stop laughing long enough.

Look, me girls. You have a true malady. You are another congenital idiot. Which is a true psychological illness. Not your fault. Just plain bad luck.

"Congenital idiots. Congenital idiots! Cons! Cons! Don't you wish YOU could make great economic arguments like me?!"

Seriously, when is the left going to get an "A" team again? I sometimes wonder if I'm debating politics or running a group home for the developmentally disabled on this board.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Do you think someone who lost a job that paid a living wage should spend no more than a week looking for another living wage job and if nothing turns up he/she should take a job flipping burgers or stocking shelves at WalMart for minimum wage? Or do you believe there are plenty of living wage jobs available for anyone who wants one?

Yes, actually. I think if you're unemployed and you think you're "too good" for honest, legal, paying work because "I used to make more than that", then you DESERVE whatever misery your lack of income is bringing you, and you need not come whining to ME for my tax dollars to subsidize you until you get something "good enough" for you.

After my father had a stroke and was no longer able to work, my mother and I scrubbed toilets, took in laundry, detailed cars, tarred rooftops, did ANYTHING and everything legal that we were offered to keep food on our table and a roof over our heads. Were we both qualified for other things? Sure. Did we have time to wait for those other things to come around? Not according to people who believe in taking care of themselves and making their own way in the world. But I guess that sort of Depression-era thinking is "outdated" now.



Actually, Sparky, if they're declining to apply for "burger flipper" jobs, as you so derisively describe them, because those jobs are "beneath" them, then sitting on their butts waiting for jobs to show up is EXACTLY what they're doing. And if supporting a family on minimum wage "simply cannot be done", would you mind telling me how they can support them on NO wage?



Fortunate enough? FORTUNATE enough? What, you think he just won that skill in the fucking Powerball lottery? If you have a skill that people want, it's because you took the time and effort to FIND OUT what people wanted, and then TRAIN FOR IT.

If someone has not done those two things, they are not helpless victims. They're lazy assholes.



You're right. Those guys DON'T make us want to puke, because - shockingly enough - your worldview is NOT objective reality. We are no more required to "want to puke" over things YOU personally dislike than you are required to "want to puke" over people who sit on their dead asses, whining about how they "aren't as fortunate" and demanding tax subsidization.

You will if you find yourself up the creek without a paddle. And don't think it can't happen, because it's happened to a lot of men who are just as good if not better than you are.

Riiiight. Because everyone turns into a worthless, whining tax mooch when life becomes hard, simply because that's the only response YOU can think of. Let me completely blow what passes for your mind and point out that SOME people really do find other ways to deal with life's hardships than to rip off their neighbors at the point of the federal government's guns.

How about this then, what about the government kicking in a little or helping to subsidize an income of a worker who has been hit by hard times, and this by no fault of his or her own, (i.e.unemployment insurance), only being used as an add on to a person's new under paid job title as is gained immediately by them, in order to make the difference up that the person had lost for a total of two years only, in which is to be paid for by the state government insurance program in this way ?

Well, since you asked:

1) You'd have to prove to me that this is properly the government's job, legally and morally. No, "But it so obviously SHOULD be!" does not count as proof.

2) You'd have to prove to me that having the government do this would solve the problem rather than making it worse. Same rules of evidence as #1.

3) You'd have to prove to me that having the government do this would be the best solution for the problem, and that a better solution could not be achieved some other way. Rules of evidence from #1 and #2 still apply.

You can talk about all the rest of your pie-in-the-sky leftist wishlist AFTER you've handled these three things. It's nothing but you wanking off until then, and I'm not interested.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What an imaginary world Greedheads live in! Firing us, breaking up our union, telling us to work somewhere else when his fellow Greedheads there all have the same conceit about how they are creating our income, not we creating theirs--all that is the same as government force. As lawyers spin words, you define force in a way that makes only the government look powerful.

Firing us, breaking up our union, telling us to work somewhere else

Boohoo.

Business still can't force you to buy their product, unless government forces you. LOL!

In the world we live in, money is power and power is force. All "free market" means is that those who control markets are free to do anything they want to us. Capitalism is Communism for the rich.

And if you really believe that, you should grab your ears and pull until you hear the popping sound. That'll be your head leaving your anus.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're missing the point. Start with unquestionably unearned wealth first, and you may not have to go beyond that. Above-average inheritance and trust funds must be confiscated. Given an undeserved head start, the spoiled-rotten children of the rich will become a cancer on society. So they must be cut off from Daddy's Money at age 18. If we have to do it on our own, so must they.

YOU are missing the point. YOU have no right to "start" confiscating ANY wealth that is not obtained illegally. Nor do you have the right, let me hasten to add, to illegalize a method of gaining wealth SIMPLY because you personally do not approve of it - or, I think more accurately, you don't personally have access to it.



You may not think THEY earned it, but YOU sure as shit didn't.

Again, wouldn't you try to change a rule that let prep-school baseball teams start every inning with the bases loaded, even if your own team doesn't load the bases on its own very often, which is what you mean when you imply, "You didn't earn it either, so let them have their unearned privilege."

What do you mean, "again"? This is the first time I've seen this ridiculously lame attempt at an analogy. However, now that I HAVE seen it, I would just like to say that I don't bother answering hypotheticals that bear no resemblance whatsoever to the reality being discussed. Try again.

Or would you call that manly resentment "jealousy" motivated only by the fact that your team always loses to them? You are trying to avoid the real issue, which is having Daddy's Money put inferior people in superior positions over us. Not only that, but they make sure that only no-talent self-hating brown-noses get to scratch and claw their way up to the class the Heirheads were born in. It is our natural right to demand a society run by those with the most talent. I'm not going to claim that even the Heirheads would benefit from that. I don't lower myself to try to persuade high and mighty lowlife. To me, they're just guillotine fodder.

I think I've got the "real issue" pretty well in hand: "Damn those rich brats for having successful fathers while my life is a shit sandwich! I'm going to make them as miserable as I am!"

That is literally all you have said, and someone should have told you that the group therapy message board is two doors over.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Again, wouldn't you try to change a rule that let prep-school baseball teams start every inning with the bases loaded, even if your own team doesn't load the bases on its own very often, which is what you mean when you imply, "You didn't earn it either, so let them have their unearned privilege."

Or would you call that manly resentment "jealousy" motivated only by the fact that your team always loses to them? You are trying to avoid the real issue, which is having Daddy's Money put inferior people in superior positions over us. Not only that, but they make sure that only no-talent self-hating brown-noses get to scratch and claw their way up to the class the Heirheads were born in. It is our natural right to demand a society run by those with the most talent. I'm not going to claim that even the Heirheads would benefit from that. I don't lower myself to try to persuade high and mighty lowlife. To me, they're just guillotine fodder.

having Daddy's Money put inferior people in superior positions over us.

Now, now, just because you're inferior doesn't mean you're in charge.
Go whine in Cuba, everyone is equal there.

If THE RICH OPERATE THE SYSTEM IN A COMMUNISTIC WAY IN WHICH THEY ARE FREE TO DO, IT CERTAINLY CAN BECOME COMMUNISM FOR THE RICH, WHERE AS THEY BECOME LIKE A SMALL RUN COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT, WHO IS UNIFIED AGAINST THE MASSES IN WAYS THAT KEEP THE MASSES DOWN FOR THEIR PURPOSES OF GREED.

IN THIS SENSE YOU ARE RIGHT IF THEY RUN THIS SYSTEM IN THIS WAY. SORRY BOUT THE CAPS, BUT BY THE TIME I NOTICED IT WAS ON IT WAS TO LATE ....LOL

Please. You obviously wouldn't recognize communism if it crawled up your ass and died. Spare us the nonsense.

 

[Rshermr]

So, Cecilia says: (Note all of Cecilia's other profound posts in quotes below.)
Other people's money is not yours. You may not think THEY earned it, but YOU sure as shit didn't.
Well, now, that would be your opinion.

No, shitstain, that is not an opinion. That is fact. It is not yours = you did not earn it. Period. End of discussion. No amount of being a liberal will make you able to change reality simply by saying so.

Perhaps you had not heard. We live in a constitution-based federal republic with strong democratic tradition, and elected representatives. You know, the Senate, Congress, Supreme Court, the Executive Branch. Did you notice that you pay taxes??? Either that, or you will be in jail one day soon. Did you notice that our congress can set tax rates and deductions. And that they can decide on tax brackets and rates???

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Which, me poor ignorant con girl, really has no value of any kind.

Remind me to pencil in five minutes later next week to seriously not give a damn what you consider to have "value".

It is not a matter of caring. Neither your opinion or mine is worth anything without fact to back it up. Got any???

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Now I know you do not like taxing wealth. Just seems so wrong to you.

Giving my belongings to the government to mismanage and squander? Yeah, I'm quirky that way.

Thanks. Nice to know we agree.

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Why, you have been told it is wrong, and you believe what you have been told.

Strike one, fuckstick. Making assumptions about total strangers is never a good idea. Making assumptions about me when you just got here? Might as well give up and go join the Justin Bieber message board right now. THEY might still respect you.

Never been there. But you seem to be quite aware. How much of your precious time to you spend with justiin???

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Why, me girl, isn't it great to be angry. You do so love being angry.

I suppose thinking so might give some tincture of meaning to your existence, but the truth is, just because I'm too smart to view your stupidity without being enraged that it is allowed to exist and flatter itself that it is valid doesn't mean I enjoy it.

Nice to have such a high opinion of yourself. Again, that would be your opinion. And do you know that all studies out there about stupid people say that they consider themselves to be smart?? Let me know, and I will send you a few.

So the sad truth is that everyone in your childhood was right: you're a hopeless nuisance, and nothing more. Ah, well.

And here we have more of your opinion. Thought you said you were really smart about economics. But you provide no economic argument. Just opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rshermr View Post
But here is the thing, me poor ignorant con tool. You will pay the taxes that we all pay. They may be the lowest since the 1950's. They may be near the lowest of any country in the world. But they will make you scream like a stuck pig(which is in reality a good likeness of you). Because you are a con tool. And, me girl, no one really takes you seriously. You are incapable of economic argument. Just beyond you. Better to spend your time in the bat shit crazy con web sites accomplishing cut and paste duties.

ROFL! Right, newbie. You just keep telling yourself that. And while you're at it, tell yourself that you've cut me to the quick and really scored here. I'll consider it my charitable act for the week . . . if I can stop laughing long enough.

You can not argue with what I said, me dear, because you are not capable. And if you do try, I will prove you wrong. So, where is that great economic understanding you say you have? By the way, did you know that congenital idiots ROLF nearly all the time??
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Look, me girls. You have a true malady. You are another congenital idiot. Which is a true psychological illness. Not your fault. Just plain bad luck.

"Congenital idiots. Congenital idiots! Cons! Cons! Don't you wish YOU could make great economic arguments like me?!"

See. More proof. You actually think you made an economic argument. It is called delusion. Typical of those with your malady. And, of course, you get so angry at me for trying to help you.

Seriously, when is the left going to get an "A" team again? I sometimes wonder if I'm debating politics or running a group home for the developmentally disabled on this board.

Oh. I see. It is politics you think you are debating. Got it. You had said all along that you were debating economic issues. And you are on an economic thread. Oh well, you did not debate politics either. So no harm. Just remember, it is not your fault. Just plain bad luck.

 

[beagle9]

Yes, actually. I think if you're unemployed and you think you're "too good" for honest, legal, paying work because "I used to make more than that", then you DESERVE whatever misery your lack of income is bringing you, and you need not come whining to ME for my tax dollars to subsidize you until you get something "good enough" for you.

After my father had a stroke and was no longer able to work, my mother and I scrubbed toilets, took in laundry, detailed cars, tarred rooftops, did ANYTHING and everything legal that we were offered to keep food on our table and a roof over our heads. Were we both qualified for other things? Sure. Did we have time to wait for those other things to come around? Not according to people who believe in taking care of themselves and making their own way in the world. But I guess that sort of Depression-era thinking is "outdated" now.



Actually, Sparky, if they're declining to apply for "burger flipper" jobs, as you so derisively describe them, because those jobs are "beneath" them, then sitting on their butts waiting for jobs to show up is EXACTLY what they're doing. And if supporting a family on minimum wage "simply cannot be done", would you mind telling me how they can support them on NO wage?



Fortunate enough? FORTUNATE enough? What, you think he just won that skill in the fucking Powerball lottery? If you have a skill that people want, it's because you took the time and effort to FIND OUT what people wanted, and then TRAIN FOR IT.

If someone has not done those two things, they are not helpless victims. They're lazy assholes.



You're right. Those guys DON'T make us want to puke, because - shockingly enough - your worldview is NOT objective reality. We are no more required to "want to puke" over things YOU personally dislike than you are required to "want to puke" over people who sit on their dead asses, whining about how they "aren't as fortunate" and demanding tax subsidization.



Riiiight. Because everyone turns into a worthless, whining tax mooch when life becomes hard, simply because that's the only response YOU can think of. Let me completely blow what passes for your mind and point out that SOME people really do find other ways to deal with life's hardships than to rip off their neighbors at the point of the federal government's guns.

How about this then, what about the government kicking in a little or helping to subsidize an income of a worker who has been hit by hard times, and this by no fault of his or her own, (i.e.unemployment insurance), only being used as an add on to a person's new under paid job title as is gained immediately by them, in order to make the difference up that the person had lost for a total of two years only, in which is to be paid for by the state government insurance program in this way ?

Well, since you asked:

1) You'd have to prove to me that this is properly the government's job, legally and morally. No, "But it so obviously SHOULD be!" does not count as proof.

2) You'd have to prove to me that having the government do this would solve the problem rather than making it worse. Same rules of evidence as #1.

3) You'd have to prove to me that having the government do this would be the best solution for the problem, and that a better solution could not be achieved some other way. Rules of evidence from #1 and #2 still apply.

You can talk about all the rest of your pie-in-the-sky leftist wishlist AFTER you've handled these three things. It's nothing but you wanking off until then, and I'm not interested.

Not sure if I asked for your interest or not, but since you want to talk to me on the subject, then here we go, now 1st it is someone's responsibility in government (imho) to do right with the money that it receives from we the tax payers right? I mean the reason we give these tax moneys to the government in the 1st place, is because it is supposed to be handling them in ways that will benefit us in times of need & to keep Americans and America strong, otherwise if there is parts of these money's that are being allocated to programs that are set up to do these sorts of things for which we have all mostly agreed upon, then lets make sure they are being run right.

Unemployment should not be a given (imho) as it had been in the past to recipients who are then only expected to check in and show that they have been attempting to try and get a job, but say that they could not achieve this so it's on to another 6 months of free money. What should be done, is the unemployment office should be trying to place people into the vast array of jobs that are always readily available, and they should do this no matter what the job is in which would and should suit the former employee's abilities to work at the job by assessment there of. No more saying I won't do this job because of every reason an applicant can think of, because now they have no choice if they want the subsidy in which will make up the difference in their loss of pay above what they will be paid on the new job in which they will be placed into by the unemployment office, and this when the person cannot find a job on his or her own.

If a job is found for an applicant needing unemployment insurance by the insurance commission, and the job only pays 9.00 dollars an hour, yet the person was making (an unemployment office capped amount of 20.00 dollars an hour), as was found to be the case in their previous job, then the person will receive while working the temporary job he or she will be placed in an $11.00 dollars an hour add to make up the difference with the 9.00 dollars an hour that will be paid, and this in order to receive in total 20.00 dollars as needed per hour for the duration of two years, in which time the employee should be back on his or her feet way before the two years is up, and most importantly with his or her family still intact after going through such a raw event in which no one knows when that event may come into their lives as well, and/or at any given time in which it could come to devastate them.

Of course only qualifying applicants would or could participate in such a program, otherwise if a person doesn't qualify either by ones great work history and credit report, then no subsidy will be added to the amount given, and the person will only receive what the job he or she is placed in, and the amount that the employer will offer the person and no more.

What do you think, otherwise should we reform this system in this way or in some way? Tweak this in anyway you want.