Thirty years of the GOP agenda

[wihosa]

It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh Reagtan was very efficient.
During his office we went from a creditor nation to a debtor one.
And to a mostly consumer spending based economy.

allthough he does not deserve all the blame, I think Millard Fillmore had somenthing to do with it as well.

 

[draper]

See this is what I don't understand.

The people that think that health care insurance is not their problem.

One of the biggest reasons American workers are so unattractive to any kind of employer, domestic or foreign, is that they have to pay sky high health insurance for all their employees.

Still I 'spect that's Obamas fault, and no blame can be found at the feet of capitalism out of control.

 

[Meister]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

 

[wihosa]

The real question is why big business didn't get on board with a single payer system, it would have unloaded a huge burden from their books and put them on an equal footing with all other industrialized countires.

Speaks to the power of the insurance cartel.

 

[wihosa]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

Quit with the 'big government' stuff.

Big country = big government.

 

[Bfgrn]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

There is no big government expansion in the Affordable Heathcare Act.

The best solution is allow everyone to buy into Medicare, everything is in place, and the administrative costs are around 3%

 

[draper]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

Yes solutions could be found. And the easiest would be to move away from health insurance, if it has to be "free market" to be properly free market.

No more employer based health care. If we all picked and chose our health insurance like we do our car insurance or any other kind of insurance then those costs would go way down.

But the insurance lobby didn't want that. Why were doctors and nurses kicked out of health reforem discussions but big money health insurance stayed? Because then the whole wretched "industry" would have to earn their money. This is truly an instance where capitalism is collapsing on itself.

However, the best solution would sincerely be a single payor or universal system.

 

[Meister]

It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.

Of course it's the tax cuts, and not the overspending, right?
I'm sure if the conservatives have their way, all the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, Occupational Safety and Health laws, Child Labor Laws, and Labor Unions, will be gone. Are you on drugs?
SS, Medicare will not see the sunset. One or two right wing partisan nuts do not make or pass the laws. Obamacare can be changed with serious healthcare reform where the government is part of the solution, and not the entire solution.

 

[Bfgrn]

It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.

That's because Reagan was the great American socialist. Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At least $3 trillion.

 

[Meister]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

Yes solutions could be found. And the easiest would be to move away from health insurance, if it has to be "free market" to be properly free market.

No more employer based health care. If we all picked and chose our health insurance like we do our car insurance or any other kind of insurance then those costs would go way down.

But the insurance lobby didn't want that. Why were doctors and nurses kicked out of health reforem discussions but big money health insurance stayed? Because then the whole wretched "industry" would have to earn their money. This is truly an instance where capitalism is collapsing on itself.

However, the best solution would sincerely be a single payor or universal system.

With tax payers flipping the bill to the government....there is no single payer, that is a myth. Having our government dealing with healthcare is a farce, they can't run anything properly except for the military. SS, Medicare will never be in the black, now healthcare...really? Your a blind optimist

 

[Bfgrn]

It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.

Of course ist's the tax cuts, and not the over spending, right?
I'm sure if the conservatives have their way, all the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, Occupational Safety and Health laws, Child Labor Laws, and Labor Unions, will be gone. Are you on drugs?
SS, Medicare will not see the sunset. One or two right wing partisan nuts do not make or pass the laws. Obamacare can be changed with serious healthcare reform where the government is part of the solution, and not the entire solution.

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'

 

[draper]

The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.

Yes solutions could be found. And the easiest would be to move away from health insurance, if it has to be "free market" to be properly free market.

No more employer based health care. If we all picked and chose our health insurance like we do our car insurance or any other kind of insurance then those costs would go way down.

But the insurance lobby didn't want that. Why were doctors and nurses kicked out of health reforem discussions but big money health insurance stayed? Because then the whole wretched "industry" would have to earn their money. This is truly an instance where capitalism is collapsing on itself.

However, the best solution would sincerely be a single payor or universal system.

With tax payers flipping the bill to the government....there is no single payer, that is a myth. Having our government dealing with healthcare is a farce, they can't run anything properly except for the military. SS, Medicare will never be in the black, now healthcare...really? Your a blind optimist

What would be wrong about health insurance being sold like car insurance or any other kind of insurance people buy, instead of being offered as a "benefit" with jobs?

Employer based health insurance is a noose around our necks.

 

[Meister]

It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.

Of course ist's the tax cuts, and not the over spending, right?
I'm sure if the conservatives have their way, all the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, Occupational Safety and Health laws, Child Labor Laws, and Labor Unions, will be gone. Are you on drugs?
SS, Medicare will not see the sunset. One or two right wing partisan nuts do not make or pass the laws. Obamacare can be changed with serious healthcare reform where the government is part of the solution, and not the entire solution.

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

"We're going to crush labor as a political entity"
Grover Norquist - Republican economic guru and co-author of the GOP's 'Contract with America'

Love your source, St. Petersberg Times makes the NY Times look conservative. No agenda there, huh?
Obamacare will force out a lot of the health insurers with the mandates it will put on them.

 

[draper]

[Obamacare will force out a lot of the health insurers with the mandates it will put on them.

Let's hope so.

 

[Meister]

Yes solutions could be found. And the easiest would be to move away from health insurance, if it has to be "free market" to be properly free market.

No more employer based health care. If we all picked and chose our health insurance like we do our car insurance or any other kind of insurance then those costs would go way down.

But the insurance lobby didn't want that. Why were doctors and nurses kicked out of health reforem discussions but big money health insurance stayed? Because then the whole wretched "industry" would have to earn their money. This is truly an instance where capitalism is collapsing on itself.

However, the best solution would sincerely be a single payor or universal system.

With tax payers flipping the bill to the government....there is no single payer, that is a myth. Having our government dealing with healthcare is a farce, they can't run anything properly except for the military. SS, Medicare will never be in the black, now healthcare...really? Your a blind optimist

What would be wrong about health insurance being sold like car insurance or any other kind of insurance people buy, instead of being offered as a "benefit" with jobs?

Employer based health insurance is a noose around our necks.

Mandating people to buy insurance? Are you kidding me? If I don't want to pay for auto insurance, I don't have to use a car. I have no option with health insurance, do I?
Employer based health insurance attracts good employees with the benefits it offers.

 

[Mr Natural]

See this is what I don't understand.

The people that think that health care insurance is not their problem.

One of the biggest reasons American workers are so unattractive to any kind of employer, domestic or foreign, is that they have to pay sky high health insurance for all their employees.

Still I 'spect that's Obamas fault, and no blame can be found at the feet of capitalism out of control.

Are employers required to offer health insurance or is it a perk to attract wokers?

 

[Meister]

[Obamacare will force out a lot of the health insurers with the mandates it will put on them.

Let's hope so.

Yeah, less competition always drives prices down huh?

 

[draper]

No, employers are not mandated to buy health insurance. It's the fact that 60% of Americans get their health insurance through employer based schemes that is the problem.

YOU do not choose. The HR dept does. If YOU chose, and every individual American chose, we could call it a choice. And health insurance would lower its prices because they would be competing in a different playing field.

Meister, I don't advocate mandatory health insurance. See my other posts.

The system in place right now is NOT free market.

 

[Mr Natural]

No, employers are not mandated to buy health insurance. It's the fact that 60% of Americans get their health insurance through employer based schemes that is the problem.

YOU do not choose. The HR dept does. If YOU chose, and every individual American chose, we could call it a choice. And health insurance would lower its prices because they would be competing in a different playing field.

Meister, I don't advocate mandatory health insurance. See my other posts.

The system in place right now is NOT free market.

So this is just another lame-ass reason the right uses to excuse the lack of hiring by corporate America.

First it was taxes and a compromise took that off the table so now it's healthcare.