Thirty years of the GOP agenda

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wihosa, Feb 3, 2011.

  1. wihosa
    Offline

    wihosa VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,497
    Thanks Received:
    132
    Trophy Points:
    85
    Ratings:
    +260
    It's been over thirty years since Reagan ushered in the "Conservative Era" and what does the GOP have to show for themselves?

    When Reagan came into office, America was the greatest producer of finished goods in the world. Now we are the greatest importer of finished goods.

    In that same time we went from the greatest crediter nation to the greatest debter nation.

    In 1980, America had the largest most prosperous and productive middle class in history, since then real wages for the vast majority of Americans have been stagnant and in recent years have actually declined.

    Falling wages have led to falling tax revenues, adding that with foolish tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy has left Federal, State and local governments in deep debt.

    Now we are told that the only thing we can do is cut all the things that helped create our once prosperous middle class. Yes we are told we must do away with Social Security, Medicare, and of course Obamacare. Once that is done we can get rid of those pesky labor laws. 40 hour work week? Gone, overtime pay? Gone, Occupational Safety and Health laws? Gone, Child Labor Laws? Gone Labor Unions? Well, since they are the reason for the existance of all these things we must cut we might as well criminalize them.

    Yes, it's a Capitalists dream, a nation of wage slaves.
     
  2. uscitizen
    Offline

    uscitizen Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2007
    Messages:
    45,941
    Thanks Received:
    4,791
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    My Shack
    Ratings:
    +4,807
    Ahh Reagtan was very efficient.
    During his office we went from a creditor nation to a debtor one.
    And to a mostly consumer spending based economy.

    allthough he does not deserve all the blame, I think Millard Fillmore had somenthing to do with it as well.
     
  3. draper
    Offline

    draper Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2011
    Messages:
    96
    Thanks Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
    Ratings:
    +17
    See this is what I don't understand.

    The people that think that health care insurance is not their problem.

    One of the biggest reasons American workers are so unattractive to any kind of employer, domestic or foreign, is that they have to pay sky high health insurance for all their employees.

    Still I 'spect that's Obamas fault, and no blame can be found at the feet of capitalism out of control.
     
  4. Meister
    Offline

    Meister Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    25,900
    Thanks Received:
    8,101
    Trophy Points:
    493
    Location:
    Conservative part of the Northwest
    Ratings:
    +8,102
    The solutions can be worked out without the big government expansion.
     
  5. wihosa
    Offline

    wihosa VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,497
    Thanks Received:
    132
    Trophy Points:
    85
    Ratings:
    +260
    The real question is why big business didn't get on board with a single payer system, it would have unloaded a huge burden from their books and put them on an equal footing with all other industrialized countires.

    Speaks to the power of the insurance cartel.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  6. wihosa
    Offline

    wihosa VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    1,497
    Thanks Received:
    132
    Trophy Points:
    85
    Ratings:
    +260
    Quit with the 'big government' stuff.

    Big country = big government.
     
  7. Bfgrn
    Offline

    Bfgrn Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2009
    Messages:
    16,829
    Thanks Received:
    2,480
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +3,060
    There is no big government expansion in the Affordable Heathcare Act.

    The best solution is allow everyone to buy into Medicare, everything is in place, and the administrative costs are around 3%
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  8. draper
    Offline

    draper Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2011
    Messages:
    96
    Thanks Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
    Ratings:
    +17
    Yes solutions could be found. And the easiest would be to move away from health insurance, if it has to be "free market" to be properly free market.

    No more employer based health care. If we all picked and chose our health insurance like we do our car insurance or any other kind of insurance then those costs would go way down.

    But the insurance lobby didn't want that. Why were doctors and nurses kicked out of health reforem discussions but big money health insurance stayed? Because then the whole wretched "industry" would have to earn their money. This is truly an instance where capitalism is collapsing on itself.

    However, the best solution would sincerely be a single payor or universal system.
     
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2011
  9. Meister
    Offline

    Meister Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2009
    Messages:
    25,900
    Thanks Received:
    8,101
    Trophy Points:
    493
    Location:
    Conservative part of the Northwest
    Ratings:
    +8,102
    Of course it's the tax cuts, and not the overspending, right?:cuckoo:
    I'm sure if the conservatives have their way, all the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, Occupational Safety and Health laws, Child Labor Laws, and Labor Unions, will be gone. Are you on drugs?
    SS, Medicare will not see the sunset. One or two right wing partisan nuts do not make or pass the laws. Obamacare can be changed with serious healthcare reform where the government is part of the solution, and not the entire solution.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  10. Bfgrn
    Offline

    Bfgrn Gold Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2009
    Messages:
    16,829
    Thanks Received:
    2,480
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +3,060
    That's because Reagan was the great American socialist. Reagan transferred wealth from the poor and the middle class to the opulent. How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan's policies? At least $3 trillion.
     

Share This Page