‘They lost Ryan’: Trump blames his own generals for Yemen raid that killed Navy SEAL

[brummelben]

By all accounts the Yemen raid was a success.

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

 

[NYcarbineer]

e

It is all the fault of the dishonest media.

Trump refuses to take responsibility, and its the media's fault?

"Trump went on to say that he could understand why Owens’s father would not want to meet with them since there is “nothing worse” than losing a son. All the same, the president believes that the mission was worth it, as he claims Defense Secretary James Mattis told him it was a very successful operation."

Doesn't sound like he didn't take responsibility or make it a faulty mission, it was a mission where someone was killed. I don't recall Obama ever stepping up to a microphone and giving us body counts he felt responsible for. Nor would anyone expect him to. You guys are just fucking weird!

Military missions sometimes have casualties.

Its been that way since the first mission was ever planned and will continue to be that way for all future missions.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. People can and do die on missions. No one wants to hear it or see it but its a possibility on any mission. Doesn't matter who planned it or who gave the go ahead.

If you want to put blame on anyone how bout the bastard that killed that Navy SEAL and whoever leaked the info about the mission. That's who I blame.

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Trump is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Just like the buck stopped at Obama's for Benghazi.

No he's not a coward at all but you sure are one to throw around bullshit.

Still haven't heard you say Benghazi was Obama's fault.

Whose 'fault' do the Republican reports say it was? Those 8 GOP Benghazi witchhunts...

 

[paperview]

By all accounts the Yemen raid was a success.

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

NEGATIVE...you're wrong.
General Votel was calling the shots in real time as the raid was carried out. This is what he said:
“Well again, I mean, the object was to go in and collect intelligence,” Votel said. “We accomplished that, so from that perspective it was successful. I certainly understand how the family would look at this in a different light.”

Dear Bill Owens,
Your son was a Navy fucking Seal! Ryan chose a very dangerous occupation. Sometimes people who choose dangerous occupations die while executing their responsibilities. Stop being such a fucking pussy and allow your son to Rest In Peace and his legacy to stand as heroic and honorable without you and your big fucking mouth getting in the way.

Sorry for your loss.

 

[CatInTheSplat]

By all accounts the Yemen raid was a success.

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

e

It is all the fault of the dishonest media.

Trump refuses to take responsibility, and its the media's fault?

"Trump went on to say that he could understand why Owens’s father would not want to meet with them since there is “nothing worse” than losing a son. All the same, the president believes that the mission was worth it, as he claims Defense Secretary James Mattis told him it was a very successful operation."

Doesn't sound like he didn't take responsibility or make it a faulty mission, it was a mission where someone was killed. I don't recall Obama ever stepping up to a microphone and giving us body counts he felt responsible for. Nor would anyone expect him to. You guys are just fucking weird!

Military missions sometimes have casualties.

Its been that way since the first mission was ever planned and will continue to be that way for all future missions.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. People can and do die on missions. No one wants to hear it or see it but its a possibility on any mission. Doesn't matter who planned it or who gave the go ahead.

If you want to put blame on anyone how bout the bastard that killed that Navy SEAL and whoever leaked the info about the mission. That's who I blame.

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Absolutely a miserable, immature, psychotic coward. That's why he hates the press. That's why he thinks everything he does and says is great and wonderful, because he's not man enough to admit ever being wrong or sorry about anything. He's a 70-year-old blubbering baby.

 

[Claudette]

e

Trump refuses to take responsibility, and its the media's fault?

"Trump went on to say that he could understand why Owens’s father would not want to meet with them since there is “nothing worse” than losing a son. All the same, the president believes that the mission was worth it, as he claims Defense Secretary James Mattis told him it was a very successful operation."

Doesn't sound like he didn't take responsibility or make it a faulty mission, it was a mission where someone was killed. I don't recall Obama ever stepping up to a microphone and giving us body counts he felt responsible for. Nor would anyone expect him to. You guys are just fucking weird!

Military missions sometimes have casualties.

Its been that way since the first mission was ever planned and will continue to be that way for all future missions.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. People can and do die on missions. No one wants to hear it or see it but its a possibility on any mission. Doesn't matter who planned it or who gave the go ahead.

If you want to put blame on anyone how bout the bastard that killed that Navy SEAL and whoever leaked the info about the mission. That's who I blame.

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Trump is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Just like the buck stopped at Obama's for Benghazi.

No he's not a coward at all but you sure are one to throw around bullshit.

Still haven't heard you say Benghazi was Obama's fault.

OK , Benghazi was Obamas fault, now was this operation Trumps fault? Is it his fault that he lied about the results?

The fault lies with whoever leaked the mission to the enemy.

The fault lies with the asshole that killed that young SEAL.

The fault lies with the mission commander who wanted to go ahead with the mission. The experienced mission commander who got the go ahead just as he wanted.

You can assign blame to anyone but only an honest person puts the blame where it truly belongs which is on the enemy.

 

[brummelben]

e

"Trump went on to say that he could understand why Owens’s father would not want to meet with them since there is “nothing worse” than losing a son. All the same, the president believes that the mission was worth it, as he claims Defense Secretary James Mattis told him it was a very successful operation."

Doesn't sound like he didn't take responsibility or make it a faulty mission, it was a mission where someone was killed. I don't recall Obama ever stepping up to a microphone and giving us body counts he felt responsible for. Nor would anyone expect him to. You guys are just fucking weird!

Military missions sometimes have casualties.

Its been that way since the first mission was ever planned and will continue to be that way for all future missions.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. People can and do die on missions. No one wants to hear it or see it but its a possibility on any mission. Doesn't matter who planned it or who gave the go ahead.

If you want to put blame on anyone how bout the bastard that killed that Navy SEAL and whoever leaked the info about the mission. That's who I blame.

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Trump is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Just like the buck stopped at Obama's for Benghazi.

No he's not a coward at all but you sure are one to throw around bullshit.

Still haven't heard you say Benghazi was Obama's fault.

OK , Benghazi was Obamas fault, now was this operation Trumps fault? Is it his fault that he lied about the results?

The fault lies with whoever leaked the mission to the enemy.

The fault lies with the asshole that killed that young SEAL.

The fault lies with the mission commander who wanted to go ahead with the mission. The mission commander who got the go ahead just as he wanted.

You can assign blame to anyone but only an honest person puts the blame where it truly belongs.

The buck stops at the white house. Always has and always will. Trump is a pathetic coward to blame his military

 

[Iceweasel]

eMilitary missions sometimes have casualties.

Its been that way since the first mission was ever planned and will continue to be that way for all future missions.

No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. People can and do die on missions. No one wants to hear it or see it but its a possibility on any mission. Doesn't matter who planned it or who gave the go ahead.

If you want to put blame on anyone how bout the bastard that killed that Navy SEAL and whoever leaked the info about the mission. That's who I blame.

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Trump is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Just like the buck stopped at Obama's for Benghazi.

No he's not a coward at all but you sure are one to throw around bullshit.

Still haven't heard you say Benghazi was Obama's fault.

OK , Benghazi was Obamas fault, now was this operation Trumps fault? Is it his fault that he lied about the results?

The fault lies with whoever leaked the mission to the enemy.

The fault lies with the asshole that killed that young SEAL.

The fault lies with the mission commander who wanted to go ahead with the mission. The mission commander who got the go ahead just as he wanted.

You can assign blame to anyone but only an honest person puts the blame where it truly belongs.

The buck stops at the white house. Always has and always will. Trump is a pathetic coward to blame his military

When did he blame them? You keep puking up the same nonsense.

 

[brummelben]

By all accounts the Yemen raid was a success.

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

 

[brummelben]

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

Trump is the CIC and the buck stops at his desk. Just like the buck stopped at Obama's for Benghazi.

No he's not a coward at all but you sure are one to throw around bullshit.

Still haven't heard you say Benghazi was Obama's fault.

OK , Benghazi was Obamas fault, now was this operation Trumps fault? Is it his fault that he lied about the results?

The fault lies with whoever leaked the mission to the enemy.

The fault lies with the asshole that killed that young SEAL.

The fault lies with the mission commander who wanted to go ahead with the mission. The mission commander who got the go ahead just as he wanted.

You can assign blame to anyone but only an honest person puts the blame where it truly belongs.

The buck stops at the white house. Always has and always will. Trump is a pathetic coward to blame his military

When did he blame them? You keep puking up the same nonsense.

Read the story posted

 

[Claudette]

By all accounts the Yemen raid was a success.

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

Seems the Pentagon was highly in favor of this raid. Guess you can blame them as well.


Instead it’s worth asking why Pentagon officials were pushing for the raid, and the broad authority that went with it, if the preparations were so flimsy. Or were they pushing for it? Usually, in these situations, military briefers outline a whole set of risks, contingencies, and caveats involved in a combat operation, if just to spread the blame if things go south. Did they do this with Mattis and Dunford?

The special operations plan was reviewed by the Pentagon and recommended for Trump’s approval. If the commander on the ground believed the intelligence and support were insufficient, he could have aborted the mission. Trump did not force an unwilling SEAL team into a dangerous raid. He was approving what the military said should be done.

Oh and here's an interesting piece.

I’ve read the NYT, WaPo, and Reuters accounts of what happened but I can’t recall a single piece of hard evidence alleged that would suggest the White House, rather than military planners, screwed this up. You can blame Trump from a “buck stops here” standpoint (which is surely what we on the right would have done with Obama had the Bin Laden raid gone sideways), but otherwise I’m with streiff. The balance of information we have right now is that the SEALs were victims of bad operational planning and bad luck (and perhaps, a tip-off to Al Qaeda that they were coming). How is that the White House’s fault?

 

[J.E.D]

My generals are the most respected that we’ve had in many decades, I believe.

So, generals under the command of previous administrations garnered little respect? Wow. What an asshole. Blame Obama, then insult the generals under his command, suggesting that they are the ones responsible for death of a Navy SEAL. Does this clown ever take responsibility for ANYTHING?

 

[brummelben]

AS ALWAYS

you are wrong.

Yemen SEAL raid yielded no significant intel: report

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

Seems the Pentagon was highly in favor of this raid. Guess you can blame them as well.


Instead it’s worth asking why Pentagon officials were pushing for the raid, and the broad authority that went with it, if the preparations were so flimsy. Or were they pushing for it? Usually, in these situations, military briefers outline a whole set of risks, contingencies, and caveats involved in a combat operation, if just to spread the blame if things go south. Did they do this with Mattis and Dunford?

Did Obama ever blame the military for a mission that failed? Did Bush, did any other President?

 

[NYcarbineer]

On the very day the report of this raid came out, I predicted that the RW'ers would do a complete flip flop on how they treated this compared to how they treated Benghazi..

lol, what do I win?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Trump now ranks below Janet Reno, who accepted full responsibility for Waco.

 

[bodecea]

Trump blames his military and you say nothing? He is the one who gave final approval to the mission, the blame rests with him. The man is a coward

"blame"? Soros is wasting his money on you, fool.

Soros? What does your anti-semitism have to do with this thread?

 

[NYcarbineer]

One more fine example of Trump's megalomania.

 

[Claudette]

At what point do you people start taking "anonymous sources" with a grain of salt. Seriously?

"congressional sources" shouldn't be publicly discussing what was or was not discovered during that operation with anyone outside of approved channels AND you simply have no way of confirming jack shit.

Also, of course, there is the quite obvious fact that this operation was planned months ago, based on intel the Obama Administration had gathered that led them to believe a raid was necessary and prudent. The only hold up was waiting for a night where the weather and moon cooperated.

Bitching about this raid is stupid, the USG engages in these sorts of operations all the time, sad as it is warriors sometimes die in war.

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

Seems the Pentagon was highly in favor of this raid. Guess you can blame them as well.


Instead it’s worth asking why Pentagon officials were pushing for the raid, and the broad authority that went with it, if the preparations were so flimsy. Or were they pushing for it? Usually, in these situations, military briefers outline a whole set of risks, contingencies, and caveats involved in a combat operation, if just to spread the blame if things go south. Did they do this with Mattis and Dunford?

Did Obama ever blame the military for a mission that failed? Did Bush, did any other President?

Did the military blame Obama or Bush when a mission went bad?? Did anyone blame either one??

If that mission had gone off picture perfect I'd bet you'd find something to complain about.

Grow up dumbass.

 

[brummelben]

No one is bitching about the raid, its about how Trump cat take responsibility for failure and blames his military

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

Seems the Pentagon was highly in favor of this raid. Guess you can blame them as well.


Instead it’s worth asking why Pentagon officials were pushing for the raid, and the broad authority that went with it, if the preparations were so flimsy. Or were they pushing for it? Usually, in these situations, military briefers outline a whole set of risks, contingencies, and caveats involved in a combat operation, if just to spread the blame if things go south. Did they do this with Mattis and Dunford?

Did Obama ever blame the military for a mission that failed? Did Bush, did any other President?

Did the military blame Obama or Bush when a mission went bad?? Did anyone blame either one??

If that mission had gone off picture perfect I'd bet you'd find something to complain about.

Grow up dumbass.

Dont change the subject sweetie, only a coward would dare blame the military

 

[Claudette]

e

What failure are you talking about? You can't just say "this was a failure" and poof it comes true.

The military has confirmed that the mission did not go anywhere near as planned, and you dont blame your military if the mission was a success

Seems the Pentagon was highly in favor of this raid. Guess you can blame them as well.


Instead it’s worth asking why Pentagon officials were pushing for the raid, and the broad authority that went with it, if the preparations were so flimsy. Or were they pushing for it? Usually, in these situations, military briefers outline a whole set of risks, contingencies, and caveats involved in a combat operation, if just to spread the blame if things go south. Did they do this with Mattis and Dunford?

Did Obama ever blame the military for a mission that failed? Did Bush, did any other President?

Did the military blame Obama or Bush when a mission went bad?? Did anyone blame either one??

If that mission had gone off picture perfect I'd bet you'd find something to complain about.

Grow up dumbass.

Dont change the subject sweetie, only a coward would dare blame the military

Well its been done there sweetie and will continue to be done. I can't even remember how many times my Father or my Brother complained about the higher ups in the military and the fucked up orders they issued. Anyone from the military can corroborate that.

Shit happens and will continue to happen and only a moron like you takes pleasure in assigning blame for the death of that Navy SEAL or anyone who dies in battle.

And you get a great deal of pleasure blaming Trump.

I doubt you give shit one about that dead SEAL. He's just the means to you're blame game.