They died to Free blacks from slavery

[flacaltenn]

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

Slavery was made legal in Africa and sold to purchases from across the planet by Blacks.

Slavery was made legal in the US by US law.

Don't know how you could CONSISTENTLY be so wrong on so many pages here. The Constitution did not make slavery legal. It just didn't prohibit it. That was a decision made by the STATES at that time. The Constitution had to accomodate those states that specifically profited from it. And I don't KNOW but I suspect, not many States actually "made slavery legal". They just did not prohibit it at the time.

As for free blacks in America -- they were about 1,8% of the ENTIRE POPULATION of the US -- 1860 BEFORE the war.. And what's more per capita of ALL PERSONS -- there were more free Blacks in the South than in the (existing) old North.

The upper South had more than THREE TIMES the percentage of free Blacks than the Northern regions did in 1860 when viewed as percentage of the TOTAL population of those regions.. In fact 3% of that upper South total population were FREE BLACKS. And the lower South had similar numbers of FREE BLACKS that equaled most Northern regions.

Folks who went to the school in the South KNOW the set-up for the Civil War.

Untitled Document

So it wouldn't be crazy to suggest that MANY of those free blacks had a few slaves as well about 1860 in the South. It happened. Don't have the numbers at my finger tips -- but I've seen them..

 

[protectionist]

Except it doesn't.

Of course it does. History of race relations in America, not including Affirmative action ? You show yourself as very foolish, without a grain of credibility.

 

[protectionist]

There is nothing racist in what I said.

In 1863, the President of the United States signed the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves but really freeing them only on stats held by the confederacy. On January 31, 1865, the 13th Amendment was proposed which ended slavery officially in the United States, yet it took until March 16, 1995 for the last state to ratify this amendment. On June 13, 1866, the 14th Amendment was proposed whereby American citizenship was supposed to be granted to every citizen regardless of race or former condition of servitude. Yet it took until March 18, 1976, for the last state to ratify this amendment. On February 26, 1869, the first right to vote was granted to black men only but the last state to ratify this took until 1997. I present these 3 amendments because of what they were supposed to end. That would be the end of white racism by practice , law and policy. But that did not happen. Instead whites created a new way to practice racism and it started with the decisions made in cases during the late 1800’s.

A 1883 Supreme Court opinion states that “when a man has emerged from slavery … there must be some stage in the progress of his elevation when he takes the rank of a mere citizen and ceases to be the special favorite of the laws.” That was two decades after emancipation. I think the supreme court was a little ahead of itself. Even still that shows us a purposeful blindness to reality by whites which carries over into today. To ignore the special favorite of the law status whites had enjoyed to that point is really an example of mental madness.

When it is said we talk about a history of racist laws and policy many do not understand the full extent of what is meant. According to the 13th Amendment, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, nor any place subject to their jurisdiction."I think people really need to understand the impact of the underlined words. Blacks were arrested, tried, found guilty and sent to prison for crimes such as vagrancy, cussing in front of whites, jaywalking and other minor or non offenses for whites. Because of this, they could be returned to slavery and were. There has been no amendment to change this part of the 13th Amendment meaning that in reality slavery could still exist in America today. After slavery ended:

Employment was required of all freedmen; violators faced vagrancy charges

•Freedmen could not assemble without the presence of a white person

•Freedmen were assumed to be agricultural workers and their duties and hours were tightly regulated

•Freedmen were not to be taught to read or write

•Public facilities were segregated

•Violators of these laws were subject to being whipped or branded.

And sent back into slavery. Just think about it, a black person could be convicted of not being employed and sent back into slavery along with many other things. Far too many people want to argue about things said without an understanding of the depth and length of things that have and continue to occur.

The decisions made by the supreme court in these cases began what we call today states rights. The decision was that the federal government could not interfere in how the states did things. If an act of racism happened in a state that was a state concern, not a federal one. So while slavery was illegal by written law, while rights were not to be denied by race, whites found a way around those amendments to continue practicing racism. In 1896 the whites of this nation insured that racial segregation would be the law. This was done by Plessy V. Ferguson. So while slavery was no longer legal by constitutional amendment meaning blacks or anyone of color were not supposed be denied rights, because of Plessy v Ferguson they could be separated and reduced to second class citizenship. So laws were written, but whites found another way to practice the same racism.

So we fast forward to the1960s. We got the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights act. Affirmative Action was an executive order. But the thing about Affirmative Action was it only applied to government jobs and government construction contracts. Despite these things being passed in the mid 1960’s it took until the late 1980’s for most of the nation to comply. These laws were not immediately followed. Yet today there are whites who still find ways to circumvent the law.

Racism today is practiced in a new way and it's not overt in practice but covert in policy. This racism is called entitlement reform. Immigration. Welfare reform. Voter fraud. And many other things that are actually policies designed to take away things from non whites. This is how racism is played today. I’m colorblind and if you talk about racism, you are the racist. This is part of the history of race in America. It’s not the nice part so no one wants to hear it. For any progress made, the racists adapt and create a new way to limit that progress. Or end it. Ask those who are taking Affirmative Action to court. The Fisher case was a case heard an unprecedented 2 times by the supreme court which is something a non white case never would get. It was rejected the first time but white rights organizers again funded the attempt and it got heard for a second time. So a person can talk about how laws are written and pretend that words on a piece of paper are being followed, but that’s not the case and it never has been.

We always have to be told about what racism is by whites. And of course there are whites who tell us that racism doesn't exist because they don't see the KKK outfits, burning crosses or the whites only signs. Or how Oprah exists so that means all blacks are economically on equal footing as whites. Therefore racism is over according to them. But it's not. And what we have seen as non whites is how racism changes in practice each and every time laws are passed to try stopping it.

You are ignorant to these matters son, and whites have not been harmed by AA. Whites have benefitted the most and incomes of white households have increased because of the policy. You run your mouth, but you know nothing.

What you said is racist, because you said >> "Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites." SInce you didn't stipulate WHICH whites, and that it was a very small number (as I explained in Post # 81), that leaves your sentence as saying that ALL whites made slavery legal. Demonizing a whole race like that, for the actions of a small group, is about as racist as you can get.

As for Affirmaive Action, its discrimination against whites, is, the largest racist discrimination in America, against, by far, the largest number of people (whites), and continues (in 42 states) after 50+ years. Your support of AA is just more evidence of your blatant RACISM and your criminality, since AA is illegal (violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act)

 

[protectionist]

No they didn't. You have been shown that. To repeat this only shows you refuse to accept anything but the racist lies you have been taught.

Sure they did. many many individual soldier didn't fight & die to free black slaves, but the North politicians (including Lincoln) had the freeing of the salves as part of why they waged the war. Thus, the entire US Army was freeing the slaves.

 

[protectionist]

Southern Whites, today's heart of the Republican Party, fought to keep them enslaved.

FALSE! This is almost as bad as the mistake IM2 made when he blamed "whites" for slavery. "Southern whites", as you stated it, include many millions of people who never even laid eyes on a black person, let alone enslaved them.

As I said in Post # 81, In southern mountain states, there was no cotton growing, No plantations. No slaves. That eliminates an enormous part of the south. Then you have the class factor. Even with the coastal plain areas of the south, it's only rich whites who had slaves, and they were a tiny minority of that population.

 

[protectionist]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

Should have shipped them back to Africa.

 

[MizMolly]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.

Wrong.

Please hear the commenter out. This is very interesting.

Why? He missed the entire point. I'm the OP here and this thread is about the lie of whites claiming how whites died to free us from slavery. As the video shows ad states, northern whites didn't fight to free the slaves and damn sure southern whites didn't. So then the claim that whites died to free us is a lie.

So, you believe without the war or if the South had won that slaves would have been free?

 

[protectionist]

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

IM2 is shrugging it off continuously in this thread. He keeps saying that white Union soldiers didn't fight and die to free black slaves, They did, and he shrugging it off.

 

[JoeMoma]

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

IM2 is shrugging it off continuously in this thread. He keeps saying that white Union soldiers didn't fight and die to free black slaves, They did, and he shrugging it off.

I think I have IM2 figured out: Whites are bad and they should be made to pay!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Our ancestors made mistakes, all our ancestors! We are here, now. We know all humans are one race. We know that dividing us up into groups that can be hated only serves those who want to control us. It does not serve us.
We can have a very nice world if we just grow up.

Every body is not responsible for the division in this country.

Will you just shut the fuck up.
Your own people sold you into slavery so bagging on white people for your own faults is ridiculous.

 

[MizMolly]

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

you have made NO POINT. As far as going back a MILLION YEARS.-----I need not. I have no family legacy in the US all the way BACK before the Emancipation and certainly not a family legacy of
SOUTHERN PLANTATION OWNERSHIP I am no more responsible than are you. Are you responsible for slavery in sub-Saharan Africa?

Here we go with stupid. There is no sub-Saharan Africa. There is only Africa. Slavery did not end things for backs and you have benefitted from what went on after slavery. But you see, you are responsible for righting wrongs not making excuses as to why you can't. We all are. I'm not responsible for black crime, I have not sold a drug, fathered children out of wedlock, I went to college and graduated, always held a job, never took welfare and yet have helped those who have been affected by these things prosper. No excuses. You need to do the same.

"THERE IS ONLY AFRICA"? good---my husband was born in southern asia and his ancestors are from southern asia -----in fact,
genetically-----my ancestry is very African.
As to his genes---also very african My skin is very white---
his is dark-----called "brown" in England. Do you
OWE us something? Will you RIGHT the wrongs
done to him and his community for more than 1000
years-----and to mine and his for more than 2000 years? Tell me a group of people who were never oppressed-------and Saxons were oppressed by the Normans..... damn those NORMANS

What does this have to do with the OP?

If there had not been the Civil War, would slavery have ended when it did?

 

[MizMolly]

Many of us white males have been passed over by blacks because of need to fill black women quotas. Customers complained stupid black woman could not repair machines, so boss promoted her to supervisor to get her out of doing service calls, so us white guys had to work under a ignorant racist bitch.

No many of you have not. Quotas do not exist. They are illegal.

Thats like saying blacks arent discriminated against, that is illegal.

 

[MizMolly]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

What is it that you want?

Dumb question.

well then the question should be easy to answer

The question is not related to the OP, therefore it won't be answered.

Cop out! Of course it applies to the discussion of "race relations"! The answer is just more complex and nuanced than you are prepared to be. It doesn't fit into easy antagonism and anger. You don't seek discussion, you seek abject apology and agreement.
No one has defended slavery. No one has proposed oppression. You state there is a problem, so naturally a solution might be expected to be proposed. You say you have helped others. Good. What can society do to redress the problem you identify as persisting?

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

What is it that you want?

Dumb question.

well then the question should be easy to answer

The question is not related to the OP, therefore it won't be answered.

Cop out! Of course it applies to the discussion of "race relations"! The answer is just more complex and nuanced than you are prepared to be. It doesn't fit into easy antagonism and anger. You don't seek discussion, you seek abject apology and agreement.
No one has defended slavery. No one has proposed oppression. You state there is a problem, so naturally a solution might be expected to be proposed. You say you have helped others. Good. What can society do to redress the problem you identify as persisting?

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

What is it that you want?

Dumb question.

well then the question should be easy to answer

The question is not related to the OP, therefore it won't be answered.

Cop out! Of course it applies to the discussion of "race relations"! The answer is just more complex and nuanced than you are prepared to be. It doesn't fit into easy antagonism and anger. You don't seek discussion, you seek abject apology and agreement.
No one has defended slavery. No one has proposed oppression. You state there is a problem, so naturally a solution might be expected to be proposed. You say you have helped others. Good. What can society do to redress the problem you identify as persisting?

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

Slavery was made legal in Africa and sold to purchases from across the planet by Blacks.

Slavery was made legal in the US by US law.

And whites abolished slavery.

 

[protectionist]

Will you just shut the fuck up.
Your own people sold you into slavery so bagging on white people for your own faults is ridiculous.

it's simple. He's a racist, and he hates whites.

 

[IM2]

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

Slavery was made legal in Africa and sold to purchases from across the planet by Blacks.

Slavery was made legal in the US by US law.

Don't know how you could CONSISTENTLY be so wrong on so many pages here. The Constitution did not make slavery legal. It just didn't prohibit it. That was a decision made by the STATES at that time. The Constitution had to accomodate those states that specifically profited from it. And I don't KNOW but I suspect, not many States actually "made slavery legal". They just did not prohibit it at the time.

As for free blacks in America -- they were about 1,8% of the ENTIRE POPULATION of the US -- 1860 BEFORE the war.. And what's more per capita of ALL PERSONS -- there were more free Blacks in the South than in the (existing) old North.

The upper South had more than THREE TIMES the percentage of free Blacks than the Northern regions did in 1860 when viewed as percentage of the TOTAL population of those regions.. In fact 3% of that upper South total population were FREE BLACKS. And the lower South had similar numbers of FREE BLACKS that equaled most Northern regions.

Folks who went to the school in the South KNOW the set-up for the Civil War.

Untitled Document

So it wouldn't be crazy to suggest that MANY of those free blacks had a few slaves as well about 1860 in the South. It happened. Don't have the numbers at my finger tips -- but I've seen them..

I'm not wrong. But you are way off. Then there is the matter of this.

Our ancestors made mistakes, all our ancestors! We are here, now. We know all humans are one race. We know that dividing us up into groups that can be hated only serves those who want to control us. It does not serve us.
We can have a very nice world if we just grow up.

Every body is not responsible for the division in this country.

Will you just shut the fuck up.
Your own people sold you into slavery so bagging on white people for your own faults is ridiculous.

 

[IM2]

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

IM2 is shrugging it off continuously in this thread. He keeps saying that white Union soldiers didn't fight and die to free black slaves, They did, and he shrugging it off.

They didn't and no matter how many times you repeat it, doesn't change that.

 

[deanrd]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

Spoken like a true Republican.

 

[deanrd]

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

IM2 is shrugging it off continuously in this thread. He keeps saying that white Union soldiers didn't fight and die to free black slaves, They did, and he shrugging it off.

They didn't and no matter how many times you repeat it, doesn't change that.

So what were they fighting for?

We know the Emancipation Proclamation was signed not long after the Civil War began. However racist Republican white wingers want to deny it, freeing the slaves was part of it. It was an outcome so it was part.

 

[IM2]

Southern Whites, today's heart of the Republican Party, fought to keep them enslaved.

FALSE! This is almost as bad as the mistake IM2 made when he blamed "whites" for slavery. "Southern whites", as you stated it, include many millions of people who never even laid eyes on a black person, let alone enslaved them.

As I said in Post # 81, In southern mountain states, there was no cotton growing, No plantations. No slaves. That eliminates an enormous part of the south. Then you have the class factor. Even with the coastal plain areas of the south, it's only rich whites who had slaves, and they were a tiny minority of that population.

I blame whites for slavery in the United States. Because they are responsible or slavery in the United States.

The video is based on fact what you say isn't.

 

[IM2]

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

IM2 is shrugging it off continuously in this thread. He keeps saying that white Union soldiers didn't fight and die to free black slaves, They did, and he shrugging it off.

They didn't and no matter how many times you repeat it, doesn't change that.

So what were they fighting for?

We know the Emancipation Proclamation was signed not long after the Civil War began. However racist Republican white wingers want to deny it, freeing the slaves was part of it. It was an outcome so it was part.

They fought for maintenance of the union. Maybe you guys watch the video?.