They died to Free blacks from slavery

[protectionist]

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

This is racist talk. First, no women had any political power. That's 50% of slavery-era "whites".
Then, slavery was only in the south. That eliminates northern whites. Then, even in the south, it was only in coastal plains, where slavery existed. In southern mountain states, there was no cotton growing, No plantations. No slaves. That eliminates an enormous part of the south. Then you have the class factor. Even with the coastal plain areas of the south, it's only rich whites who had slaves, and they were a tiny minority of that population.

Overall, you have less than 1% of "whites" before 1865, who had any responsibility for slavery, and that's probably a lower % than the % of blacks in African countries who sold the slaves into slavery.

Then there's the time factor. Slavery ended in 1866 with the 13th amendment to the Constitution, written earlier on, by Jacob Howard and Abraham Lincoln. In order for any slaveholder to be alive today, they'd have to be about 170 years old. So no "whites" alive today, or even in the past 3 generations, had anything to do with slavery.

So slavery, in this day & age, as far as responsibility is concerned, is a (literally) dead issue.​

Now that brings us to who IS alive today, and DOES have something to do with racial oppression. . Well, that would be all the people (black & white) who have pushed and supported Affirmative Action. That outrageous racism should be abolished nationwide (currently banned in only 8 states), and large reparations$$ should be paid to whites LIVING TODAY.

If you are so up in arms against the whites who were slaveholders, in the 19th century, perhaps you could go to an old cemetary, and yell at their tombstones. And while you're at it, you could go to a Civil War cemetary, where Union soldiers are buried, put flags or flowers, and express thanks.

 

[boedicca]

Oh Goody!

Yet another racist race baiting thread posted by a racist race baiter who race baits.

 

[protectionist]

Oh Goody!

Yet another racist race baiting thread posted by a racist race baiter who race baits.

But we know that, and have taken him to task. Ho hum.

 

[protectionist]

This has nothing to do with the OP. The history of race relations in America is what Is being discussed.

Which includes Affirmative Action discrimination against whites (including 21st century)

 

[KissMy]

Whites fought & died to free black slaves. Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues there today. If you hate US whites so much, you are free to leave & rejoin the African slaves being oppressed by Black Slave Owners.

 

[IM2]

Whites fought & died to free black slaves. Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues there today. If you hate US whites so much, you are free to leave & rejoin the African slaves being oppressed by Black Slave Owners.

No they didn't. You have been shown that. To repeat this only shows you refuse to accept anything but the racist lies you have been taught.

 

[IM2]

This has nothing to do with the OP. The history of race relations in America is what Is being discussed.

Which includes Affirmative Action discrimination against whites (including 21st century)

Except it doesn't.

 

[Meathead]

Whites fought & died to free black slaves. Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues there today. If you hate US whites so much, you are free to leave & rejoin the African slaves being oppressed by Black Slave Owners.

No they didn't. You have been shown that. To repeat this only shows you refuse to accept anything but the racist lies you have been taught.

Even today, you would be worth more as a slave. That's is sad.

 

[KissMy]

Whites fought & died to free black slaves. Slavery has historically been widespread in Africa, and still continues there today. If you hate US whites so much, you are free to leave & rejoin the African slaves being oppressed by Black Slave Owners.

No they didn't. You have been shown that. To repeat this only shows you refuse to accept anything but the racist lies you have been taught.

You would still be a slave in Africa had whites not brought your black great grandparents to America & freed them.

Why are you not freeing these black slaves held in Sudan?

"The Arab slave trade typically dealt in the sale of castrated male slaves. Black boys between the age of 8 and 12 had their scrotums and penises completely amputated to prevent them from reproducing. About six of every 10 boys bled to death during the procedure, according to some sources, but the high price brought by eunuchs on the market made the practice profitable."

 

[IM2]

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

This is racist talk. First, no women had any political power. That's 50% of slavery-era "whites".
Then, slavery was only in the south. That eliminates northern whites. Then, even in the south, it was only in coastal plains, where slavery existed. In southern mountain states, there was no cotton growing, No plantations. No slaves. That eliminates an enormous part of the south. Then you have the class factor. Even with the coastal plain areas of the south, it's only rich whites who had slaves, and they were a tiny minority of that population.

Overall, you have less than 1% of "whites" before 1865, who had any responsibility for slavery, and that's probably a lower % than the % of blacks in African countries who sold the slaves into slavery.

Then there's the time factor. Slavery ended in 1866 with the 13th amendment to the Constitution, written earlier on, by Jacob Howard and Abraham Lincoln. In order for any slaveholder to be alive today, they'd have to be about 170 years old. So no "whites" alive today, or even in the past 3 generations, had anything to do with slavery.

So slavery, in this day & age, as far as responsibility is concerned, is a (literally) dead issue.​

Now that brings us to who IS alive today, and DOES have something to do with racial oppression. . Well, that would be all the people (black & white) who have pushed and supported Affirmative Action. That outrageous racism should be abolished nationwide (currently banned in only 8 states), and large reparations$$ should be paid to whites LIVING TODAY.

If you are so up in arms against the whites who were slaveholders, in the 19th century, perhaps you could go to an old cemetary, and yell at their tombstones. And while you're at it, you could go to a Civil War cemetary, where Union soldiers are buried, put flags or flowers, and express thanks.

There is nothing racist in what I said.

In 1863, the President of the United States signed the Emancipation Proclamation freeing the slaves but really freeing them only on stats held by the confederacy. On January 31, 1865, the 13th Amendment was proposed which ended slavery officially in the United States, yet it took until March 16, 1995 for the last state to ratify this amendment. On June 13, 1866, the 14th Amendment was proposed whereby American citizenship was supposed to be granted to every citizen regardless of race or former condition of servitude. Yet it took until March 18, 1976, for the last state to ratify this amendment. On February 26, 1869, the first right to vote was granted to black men only but the last state to ratify this took until 1997. I present these 3 amendments because of what they were supposed to end. That would be the end of white racism by practice , law and policy. But that did not happen. Instead whites created a new way to practice racism and it started with the decisions made in cases during the late 1800’s.

A 1883 Supreme Court opinion states that “when a man has emerged from slavery … there must be some stage in the progress of his elevation when he takes the rank of a mere citizen and ceases to be the special favorite of the laws.” That was two decades after emancipation. I think the supreme court was a little ahead of itself. Even still that shows us a purposeful blindness to reality by whites which carries over into today. To ignore the special favorite of the law status whites had enjoyed to that point is really an example of mental madness.

When it is said we talk about a history of racist laws and policy many do not understand the full extent of what is meant. According to the 13th Amendment, "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, nor any place subject to their jurisdiction."I think people really need to understand the impact of the underlined words. Blacks were arrested, tried, found guilty and sent to prison for crimes such as vagrancy, cussing in front of whites, jaywalking and other minor or non offenses for whites. Because of this, they could be returned to slavery and were. There has been no amendment to change this part of the 13th Amendment meaning that in reality slavery could still exist in America today. After slavery ended:

Employment was required of all freedmen; violators faced vagrancy charges

•Freedmen could not assemble without the presence of a white person

•Freedmen were assumed to be agricultural workers and their duties and hours were tightly regulated

•Freedmen were not to be taught to read or write

•Public facilities were segregated

•Violators of these laws were subject to being whipped or branded.

And sent back into slavery. Just think about it, a black person could be convicted of not being employed and sent back into slavery along with many other things. Far too many people want to argue about things said without an understanding of the depth and length of things that have and continue to occur.

The decisions made by the supreme court in these cases began what we call today states rights. The decision was that the federal government could not interfere in how the states did things. If an act of racism happened in a state that was a state concern, not a federal one. So while slavery was illegal by written law, while rights were not to be denied by race, whites found a way around those amendments to continue practicing racism. In 1896 the whites of this nation insured that racial segregation would be the law. This was done by Plessy V. Ferguson. So while slavery was no longer legal by constitutional amendment meaning blacks or anyone of color were not supposed be denied rights, because of Plessy v Ferguson they could be separated and reduced to second class citizenship. So laws were written, but whites found another way to practice the same racism.

So we fast forward to the1960s. We got the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights act. Affirmative Action was an executive order. But the thing about Affirmative Action was it only applied to government jobs and government construction contracts. Despite these things being passed in the mid 1960’s it took until the late 1980’s for most of the nation to comply. These laws were not immediately followed. Yet today there are whites who still find ways to circumvent the law.

Racism today is practiced in a new way and it's not overt in practice but covert in policy. This racism is called entitlement reform. Immigration. Welfare reform. Voter fraud. And many other things that are actually policies designed to take away things from non whites. This is how racism is played today. I’m colorblind and if you talk about racism, you are the racist. This is part of the history of race in America. It’s not the nice part so no one wants to hear it. For any progress made, the racists adapt and create a new way to limit that progress. Or end it. Ask those who are taking Affirmative Action to court. The Fisher case was a case heard an unprecedented 2 times by the supreme court which is something a non white case never would get. It was rejected the first time but white rights organizers again funded the attempt and it got heard for a second time. So a person can talk about how laws are written and pretend that words on a piece of paper are being followed, but that’s not the case and it never has been.

We always have to be told about what racism is by whites. And of course there are whites who tell us that racism doesn't exist because they don't see the KKK outfits, burning crosses or the whites only signs. Or how Oprah exists so that means all blacks are economically on equal footing as whites. Therefore racism is over according to them. But it's not. And what we have seen as non whites is how racism changes in practice each and every time laws are passed to try stopping it.

You are ignorant to these matters son, and whites have not been harmed by AA. Whites have benefitted the most and incomes of white households have increased because of the policy. You run your mouth, but you know nothing.

 

[deanrd]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

Southern Whites, today's heart of the Republican Party, fought to keep them enslaved.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

 

[IM2]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

You're a woman and at that time your ass could not vote, own property or nothing. But you are here taking about whites freeing someone when Martin Luther King died to freed your white female ass.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

You're a woman and at that time your ass could not vote, own property or nothing. But you are here taking about whites freeing someone when Martin Luther King died to freed your white female ass.

Oh please. Tell it to someone that wasn't there. Martin Luther King was an alcoholic reprobate that spent the family food money on white prostitutes and embezzled the money from Ebenezer Church to finance his booze and coke parties. He was so sotted with booze he had to plagiarize his famous speech from Archibald Carey.

The only blessing was that King was assassinated by a white guy, thus saving a black man from doing the deed himself. As it was, Coretta King was certain his killer was Malcolm X.

The old bastard lived too long as it was.

 

[Lysistrata]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

The New York draft riots was a relatively small part of US Civil war era history. It has very little to compare with 300,000 Union soldier lives lost. Whether these northern soldiers fought for the principle of stopping slavery or not, they did fight and die in that war, and for blacks to shrug that off, merely shows a degree of mental incapacity.

when did anyone shrug this off? I'm of european backgound on both sides. My great-greats lived in NYC at the time. Please explain.

 

[IM2]

Whites died to free the slaves and 200 and some years later realized how badly they fucked up.

You're a woman and at that time your ass could not vote, own property or nothing. But you are here taking about whites freeing someone when Martin Luther King died to freed your white female ass.

Oh please. Tell it to someone that wasn't there. Martin Luther King was an alcoholic reprobate that spent the family food money on white prostitutes and embezzled the money from Ebenezer Church to finance his booze and coke parties. He was so sotted with booze he had to plagiarize his famous speech from Archibald Carey.

The only blessing was that King was assassinated by a white guy, thus saving a black man from doing the deed himself. As it was, Coretta King was certain his killer was Malcolm X.

The old bastard lived too long as it was.

I was there. You were not. It's too bad you have to lie like this. King was killed in 1968. Malcolm X died in 1965.

 

[westwall]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

And you ignore the fact that BLACKS kidnapped and enslaved their fellow black people to sell them to the evil slave holders in the USA, not all of whom were WHITE. Amazingly enough, at least 25% of the slave owners were likewise BLACK.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Slyhunter]

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

Slavery was made legal in Africa and sold to purchases from across the planet by Blacks.

 

[IM2]

We keep getting told how whites died fighting to end slavery therefore we as blacks, who apparently did nothing need to be grateful for the great sacrifices made by whites. First off this is a silly claim. We are to be grateful that whites decided to fix a problem they created and did not have to be. However, reality is that such a claim is untrue.

New York City draft riots

The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863), known at the time as Draft Week,[3] were violent disturbances in Lower Manhattan, widely regarded as the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil and racially charged insurrection in American history, aside from the Civil War itself.[4]

U.S. President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, mostly Irish or of Irish descent, who feared free black people competing for work and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $9,157 in 2017[5]) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.[6][7]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, predominantly Irish immigrants,[4] attacking black people throughout the city. The official death toll was listed at either 119 or 120 individuals. Conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[8]

The military did not reach the city until the second day of rioting, by which time the mobs had ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[9]

The area's demographics changed as a result of the riot. Many black residents left Manhattan permanently with many moving to Brooklyn. By 1865, the black population fell below 11,000 for the first time since 1820.

New York City draft riots - Wikipedia

And you ignore the fact that BLACKS kidnapped and enslaved their fellow black people to sell them to the evil slave holders in the USA, not all of whom were WHITE. Amazingly enough, at least 25% of the slave owners were likewise BLACK.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I don't ignore anything. 25 percent of the slave-owners here were not black. But even if that had been true, that means 75 percent or 3 out of 4 slave owners here were white. We are discussing the fact that whites did not due to free us in the civil war. Now if you want to discuss the manner in which whites armed certain tribes and not others so they could capture their enemies then buy them start a thread. There are s many things that whites did that have nothing to do with what happened in Africa. You never ask yourselves why whites didn't just pay their passages in agreement for indentured servitude. So you smoke on that.

 

[IM2]

for IM2. TRUE---most people who fought in the civil war or lived during that time did not die to free slaves---
a very few did. Not true is IM2's position that
"WHITES" invented slavery.

Slavery was made legal in the UNITED STATES by whites. You want to go back a million years in order to say you are not responsible. But we are talking about the claim of whites dying to free us.

Slavery was made legal in Africa and sold to purchases from across the planet by Blacks.

Slavery was made legal in the US by US law.