There’s No Border Emergency

[AzogtheDefiler]

You would have your hands full if you're claiming that Bernie did something that violates Jewish law with his politics... considering that Marx, Lenin, and Stalin all were Jews and / or married into Jewish families.

Be that as it may, in this country, a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of one's peers. If that precedent does not follow the undocumented foreigner, it does not follow to people like you and I.

The 14th Amendment (which I personally contend was illegally ratified) guarantees to all persons the "equal protection of the laws." Consequently, if you can make a false allegation and presume guilt, bear in mind the LEO community can use that same precedent to pursue you simply because they don't like you. Hell, they already have. The absence of patriots, constitutionalists, etc. from the 1980s and 1990s era should be an indicator for you.

Interesting how Jews were all behind the push and the take over of Russia by the communists in 1917 and later half of Europe. The Jews gave the world communism. That is a well known fact. Maybe that is why old Bernie liked the idea of a honeymoon in Russia. Just saying.

Bernie is as Jewish as ISIS. Your antisemitism amuses me as does your ignorance of history and failed attempt at humor.

I've made no attempt a humor and now you're showing us YOUR true colors. NOBODY in this country is above scrutiny and you can rot in HELL for the balance of your idiotic allegation.

You should quit drinking

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

 

[candycorn]

America needs to get rid of their asylum laws. That should solve the immigration crisis problem at the border once and for all. Boot the criminal illegals back into Mexico where they belong. The days of compassion must come to an end or America will be destroyed by the millions third world illegals out there that want to come to America. America is full. No need to apply anymore. Enough already. It is time for some tough love. Time for a moratorium on immigration. Works for me.

why in the world would we want to do that?

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the economics or the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

We subscribe to capitalism not socialism on a national basis.

We should make money not just lose money on public policies and border policy in particular.

We are talking about hundreds of billions of your tax dollars that are going to these criminal illegals and not pocket change. Either you give a shit about how your tax dollars are being blown or you don't. Just saying.

EVERY non-partisan study concludes that undocumented foreigners pay as much in taxes as they receive in services. It's a wash. Nice try, but no cigar, just debunked allegations that don't withstand serious scrutiny.

I doubt that myself.

There is a massive contribution. Twenty-Million people will have an impact on sales tax receipts; they have to shop somewhere, they are taxed just like anyone else when they buy something, etc…

However, I doubt they contribute as much as they consume.

The “hundreds of billions of dollars” argument is total crap though.
What is also ignored by the right is that the expenditures will be roughly the same (as well as the service) regardless of whether the illegal aliens are here or not.

You can doubt all you like OR you can research the subject from ALL sides. The only and I mean the ONLY tax you can dispute is the income tax. AND - even there, they do pay the tax.

I don't see how they would pay income taxes.

You are leaving off the social security taxes that most workers pay. If they are getting paid cash under the table instead of an employer hiring a payroll employee; there is no SS tax being paid by that worker. Thusly the SS system "suffers" from that loss of payment into the pool which retirees draw upon.

I'll be happy to look at your math.

The right wing is mad because the Republicans instituted the income tax which is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto and they try to make you believe that undocumented foreigners do not pay the tax. Yet, according to the chief actuary of the Socialist Security Administration, about 75 percent of undocumented foreigners DO pay the tax.

Again, I'm not seeing how the day laborer is paying income taxes. You call a lawn service out of the yellow pages with uniformed employees, a company van, bonded and insured workers who get paid hourly...I'm pretty sure they are paying income taxes on their W2s.

Their immigration status does not negate their responsibility to pay - or so the Instant Robbery Service (the IRS) says.

You sound like an idiot when you say those things.

So, the majority of those here without papers get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, pay the tax, and when amnesties are offered, those who have been paying are good to go and have no government agencies wanting to collect from them. It's one less bureaucrat at the door.

Unless you know the whole of the number of illegal aliens, you have no idea if those who do have a ITIN are the majority or not.

Hispanics have bigger families than you do, so they have gas guzzlers. I quit keeping up with it, but last I heard there was more than 40 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline. Cigarettes, cervaza (beer) and other alcoholic drinks figure into the mix. So, yeah, sorry, but at the end of the day, it's a wash. Well, that and add the $12 BILLION DOLLARS a year undocumented foreigners pay into Socialist Security (money they can never get back in retirement) and it all begins to add up. We may wish it were not true, but if foreigners were not profitable, the rich would have already gotten rid of them.

Again, if you don't have a social security number, it is highly unlikely you're paying SS taxes.

Again, you sound like an idiot when you say those things (Socialist Security).

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Interesting how Jews were all behind the push and the take over of Russia by the communists in 1917 and later half of Europe. The Jews gave the world communism. That is a well known fact. Maybe that is why old Bernie liked the idea of a honeymoon in Russia. Just saying.

Bernie is as Jewish as ISIS. Your antisemitism amuses me as does your ignorance of history and failed attempt at humor.

I've made no attempt a humor and now you're showing us YOUR true colors. NOBODY in this country is above scrutiny and you can rot in HELL for the balance of your idiotic allegation.

You should quit drinking

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

Will drinking make me want to become a slave, buy socialism under the guise of border security, and take a giant dump on all my unalienable Rights?

It appears that is what it's done for you.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

why in the world would we want to do that?

Nobody takes the right wing seriously about the economics or the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

We subscribe to capitalism not socialism on a national basis.

We should make money not just lose money on public policies and border policy in particular.

We are talking about hundreds of billions of your tax dollars that are going to these criminal illegals and not pocket change. Either you give a shit about how your tax dollars are being blown or you don't. Just saying.

EVERY non-partisan study concludes that undocumented foreigners pay as much in taxes as they receive in services. It's a wash. Nice try, but no cigar, just debunked allegations that don't withstand serious scrutiny.

I doubt that myself.

There is a massive contribution. Twenty-Million people will have an impact on sales tax receipts; they have to shop somewhere, they are taxed just like anyone else when they buy something, etc…

However, I doubt they contribute as much as they consume.

The “hundreds of billions of dollars” argument is total crap though.
What is also ignored by the right is that the expenditures will be roughly the same (as well as the service) regardless of whether the illegal aliens are here or not.

You can doubt all you like OR you can research the subject from ALL sides. The only and I mean the ONLY tax you can dispute is the income tax. AND - even there, they do pay the tax.

I don't see how they would pay income taxes.

You are leaving off the social security taxes that most workers pay. If they are getting paid cash under the table instead of an employer hiring a payroll employee; there is no SS tax being paid by that worker. Thusly the SS system "suffers" from that loss of payment into the pool which retirees draw upon.

I'll be happy to look at your math.

The right wing is mad because the Republicans instituted the income tax which is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto and they try to make you believe that undocumented foreigners do not pay the tax. Yet, according to the chief actuary of the Socialist Security Administration, about 75 percent of undocumented foreigners DO pay the tax.

Again, I'm not seeing how the day laborer is paying income taxes. You call a lawn service out of the yellow pages with uniformed employees, a company van, bonded and insured workers who get paid hourly...I'm pretty sure they are paying income taxes on their W2s.

Their immigration status does not negate their responsibility to pay - or so the Instant Robbery Service (the IRS) says.

You sound like an idiot when you say those things.

So, the majority of those here without papers get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, pay the tax, and when amnesties are offered, those who have been paying are good to go and have no government agencies wanting to collect from them. It's one less bureaucrat at the door.

Unless you know the whole of the number of illegal aliens, you have no idea if those who do have a ITIN are the majority or not.

Hispanics have bigger families than you do, so they have gas guzzlers. I quit keeping up with it, but last I heard there was more than 40 cents a gallon federal tax on gasoline. Cigarettes, cervaza (beer) and other alcoholic drinks figure into the mix. So, yeah, sorry, but at the end of the day, it's a wash. Well, that and add the $12 BILLION DOLLARS a year undocumented foreigners pay into Socialist Security (money they can never get back in retirement) and it all begins to add up. We may wish it were not true, but if foreigners were not profitable, the rich would have already gotten rid of them.

Again, if you don't have a social security number, it is highly unlikely you're paying SS taxes.

Again, you sound like an idiot when you say those things (Socialist Security).

You've become an instant idiot.

Foreigners who come here without papers can be issued an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. The IRS don't give a shit whether or not you're as the National Socialists call it - "legal" or not. If you're working, you still owe the tax.

Obviously it DOES take a Harvard degree for some of you people to grasp this. Coming into the United States without papers is a civil misdemeanor. You might have to pay a $250 fine and get deported if caught coming in. IF you're not caught coming in, it is not a crime to be here. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Evading the income tax is a federal criminal felony with serious time behind it.

So, most of the foreigners get the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. According to the Socialist Security Administration:

"...our projections suggest that the presence of unauthorized workers in the United States has, on average, a positive effect on the financial status of the Social Security program. For the year 2010,1 we estimate that the excess of tax revenue paid to the Trust Funds over benefits paid from these funds based on earnings of unauthorized workers is about $12 billion."

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf

Also see this:

The Facts About the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN)

If you have to call me names for opposing the 16th Amendment - which NEVER met constitutional muster when it was illegally ratified is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto, then you realize what the dumb asses on the right don't understand:

I'M NOT LEFT, SOCIALIST, OR DEMOCRAT. I'm the last of the constitutionalists and owe neither side of the aisle my loyalty. It's just that the left, via Hegelian Dialectics conned the right into doing their dirty work for them, flipping them and now the wall worshipers are more committed to their own destruction than the left is.

I had to add this from personal experience:

Some Mexican guys I knew deal in cash and pay taxes quarterly. The rednecks "see" it and bitch about it. The rednecks just "know" - and would bet their last dime on it that these cash workers don't pay taxes. Yet they do. And I really know because I volunteered for a while in a Latino non-profit organization to learn what is really being taught AND I know who does their income tax returns. These guys get a kick out of watching stupid people swear at them, curse them, and make false allegations. I'm embarrassed for the uninformed dim wits that have bought their own propaganda.

Even if they didn't pay income taxes, I'd STILL support them. Anything that gets rid of that cancer is welcome news. Adding insult to injury, back in the middle and late 1990s the 16th Amendment was on life support when Tea Party Republicans saved it because they needed some kind of leverage to justify their stupidity toward foreigners.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bernie is as Jewish as ISIS. Your antisemitism amuses me as does your ignorance of history and failed attempt at humor.

I've made no attempt a humor and now you're showing us YOUR true colors. NOBODY in this country is above scrutiny and you can rot in HELL for the balance of your idiotic allegation.

You should quit drinking

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

Will drinking make me want to become a slave, buy socialism under the guise of border security, and take a giant dump on all my unalienable Rights?

It appears that is what it's done for you.

Sometimes you just have to block out the noise and go with your gut feel, old man. The Wall feels right.

 

[MaryL]

Illegal immigration is a civil issue. Yawn. That means what EXACTLY? If rape was categorized as a civil issue, that would make it OK, then? I AM NOT ACCEPTING that. We have our own poor and homeless to worry about, Mexican so called "immigrants" can wait their turn with the rest of real valid immigrants that apply legally . You got a problem with that?

 

[MaryL]

Nothing to see here, folks, move along...Ignore the disenfranchised poor American homeless begging for money and camping on city streets. Ignore American poor. Because Mexican illegal need help SOOO much more. It's what NPC liberals call...humanitarian. Ignoring American poor citizens over poor illegal alien Mexicans of questionable status poor, that is so much more compassionate . Yep.. How they do the math on that, is anyones' guess.

 

[MaryL]

Why do we have to give entire cities sanctuary from federal immigration law when we don't even give American poor that much respect? For starters, businesses that hire illegal aliens wanted THAT, NOT the American populace. And, secondly, if we as a culture were concerned with the poor and the true immigrants, we wouldn't mix up illegal aliens with lawful immigrants. Apples and Oranges. Sanctuary cities were never voted on or approved by local or national constituency, ever. How did that come about? So to who's benefit was this?

 

[MaryL]

Does anyone live in a sanctuary city/state? Ever wonder, HOW THE HELL did that happen? Because it was never made a issue or put to a vote. If you are like me, you would like to know. And we have all these poor homeless people begging on the streets and living out of their cars. But we have to help Mexican poor violate federal immigration law?. And then, well, all those jobs Americans USED to do, now illegal aliens are doing. Now we have all these American countless millions desperate and needy that need help... But, instead, we have to help Mexican illegals skirt federal immigration laws so they can take jobs our poor underclass Americans used to do? And, without our consent? Sound about right ? Yippy ki-yay.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I've made no attempt a humor and now you're showing us YOUR true colors. NOBODY in this country is above scrutiny and you can rot in HELL for the balance of your idiotic allegation.

You should quit drinking

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

Will drinking make me want to become a slave, buy socialism under the guise of border security, and take a giant dump on all my unalienable Rights?

It appears that is what it's done for you.

Sometimes you just have to block out the noise and go with your gut feel, old man. The Wall feels right.

My Liberty will NEVER be for sale. The wall was the wrong answer in 1980; mass deportations failed in the early 1950s. Sometimes you have to use your head. That feeling in your gut is pure gas.

A wise man once told me that the man who wouldn't use his head may as well have been born with two assholes.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You should quit drinking

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

Will drinking make me want to become a slave, buy socialism under the guise of border security, and take a giant dump on all my unalienable Rights?

It appears that is what it's done for you.

Sometimes you just have to block out the noise and go with your gut feel, old man. The Wall feels right.

My Liberty will NEVER be for sale. The wall was the wrong answer in 1980; mass deportations failed in the early 1950s. Sometimes you have to use your head. That feeling in your gut is pure gas.

A wise man once told me that the man who wouldn't use his head may as well have been born with two assholes.

Yeah well my head and my heart are my friends and they want the Wall. You also didn’t lose 90% of your family in the Holocaust.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Projecting again. You know I don't drink. Check back in when you string enough words together a coherent thought.

Maybe you should start?

Will drinking make me want to become a slave, buy socialism under the guise of border security, and take a giant dump on all my unalienable Rights?

It appears that is what it's done for you.

Sometimes you just have to block out the noise and go with your gut feel, old man. The Wall feels right.

My Liberty will NEVER be for sale. The wall was the wrong answer in 1980; mass deportations failed in the early 1950s. Sometimes you have to use your head. That feeling in your gut is pure gas.

A wise man once told me that the man who wouldn't use his head may as well have been born with two assholes.

Yeah well my head and my heart are my friends and they want the Wall. You also didn’t lose 90% of your family in the Holocaust.

Most of us realize that you didn't lose 90 percent of your family in the Holocaust. The political gamesmanship that is being used by National Socialists doth testify against you on this issue.

You talk about the Holocaust while backing a cause that was started by real National Socialists. Shameless, dude, shameless.

 

[danielpalos]

Illegal immigration is a civil issue. Yawn. That means what EXACTLY? If rape was categorized as a civil issue, that would make it OK, then? I AM NOT ACCEPTING that. We have our own poor and homeless to worry about, Mexican so called "immigrants" can wait their turn with the rest of real valid immigrants that apply legally . You got a problem with that?

There is no express immigration clause. My problem with that is that we should not have an illegal problem.

Why so much bigotry, right wingers?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Illegal immigration is a civil issue. Yawn. That means what EXACTLY? If rape was categorized as a civil issue, that would make it OK, then? I AM NOT ACCEPTING that. We have our own poor and homeless to worry about, Mexican so called "immigrants" can wait their turn with the rest of real valid immigrants that apply legally . You got a problem with that?

You are mixing oranges with apples. Let us try this one more time:

The United States Constitution does not give the federal Congress nor the federal courts any jurisdiction over who state governments allow to work in their state. THAT is the point danielpalos keeps repeating.

Because this is a civil issue, the wallists are LYING when they keep repeating the lie that we are dealing with "criminal illegal aliens." It is not a crime and the United States Supreme Court has ruled as such. So, if you believe in the Rule of Law, you have to work within the parameters of the law. Lying about people being "criminal illegal aliens" and "anchor babies" shows people you are an idiot AND it builds resentment and dedicated opposition to whatever it is you think you're doing.

NOBODY should have to apply to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. You cannot criminalize Liberty. Neither can you force everyone who washes up on our shores to become a citizen. That is what your "legal" mantra is really about. Besides, if you create animosity and then force people to become citizens, they will eventually outvote you and this whole argument becomes moot. You should have learned that in the last mid term election.

There are plenty of jobs for Americans. They don't want to work. I should know. I do this as a career. Mommies let their boys (guys sometimes as old as 40s to 50s) sit on their ass, watching tv, playing on the computer, and getting $650 a month on a debit card each month with no intention of having to get a job. The whiny ass white people are the worst. They all think they have ADD / ADHD, anxiety, depression or whatever it takes to get them on feel good drugs. They become worthless scatalogical pieces of walking waste spending their money on drugs, tattoos and body piercings. Then they want to blame so - called "illegal aliens" because foreigners claim high income jobs that could go to Americans if we would shut down the welfare state.

 

[danielpalos]

We can't have a border emergency, or we would need border emergency Tax Rise Rates.