There Wouldn't Be This Problem With Paper Ballots and Voter ID

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    Then again, what would be the democratic excuses if the elections were fair and measurable?


    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/w...15a24d3f8&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

     
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    http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_10_29-2006_11_04.shtml#1162144706
     
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    A nationwide standard agreed upon by the States might help to curb the local abuses of the sometimes ridicilous weak election procedures.

    Recently a woman published the voter registration for her dog.
    Then there are the cases of legal residents that are not citizens voting, the dead vote you mentioned, the paperless electronic maschines and the problems they recently had in the primaries.

    A voter ID, drivers license or photo ID should be mandatory and would reduce some of these problems. The politicans are all worried about the Latino vote.

    Once the elections are over the border fence will probably not get any many allocated. The redistriciting games to help incumbents is another disgrace.

    All in all both parties are all about protecting their thiefdoms.
     
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    Beautifully put! Kudos and rep!
     
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    This whole subject is very distressing. Not only should we know who OWNS our voting machinery (seems it should be OUR government:wtf: ) but we also need to know who OPERATES our voting machinery (also should be our govt. employees) and have those operations spelled out exactly for all to see (independent oversights). Do we have a top notch secure system of background checks on all operations personnel involved? Do we have ongoing cross checks during operations as well as after elections? It's time these things are nailed down tight without question.
     
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    No actually, one dem and one republican, one of green, communist, etc-whichever parties are on the ballot, agree with each count. Whether from machines or paper-machines just 'tabulate' better.

    I'm all in favor of going back to paper ballot-X the right candidate-then count them at the end of voting. Use voter ID and problem would be fixed.
     
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    All in all both parties are all about protecting their thiefdoms.


    That's it in a nutshell. Elections have been stolen by members of both parties and others since time immemorial. LBJ in Texas, JFK in Cook County, GWB in Florida.

    Seems to me, ScreamingEagle has it about right. The REAL issue is whether "We The People" will continue to enjoy the ONE civil liberty that is still ours - the right to vote and have our vote counted. Democracy requires nothing less, but so many seem to think it is OK and sorta cool if SOME votes are not counted, as long as they are the votes of people we don't like and who don't think "correctly." THAT kind of thinking is guaranteed to see that the power of the ballot is slowly but surely stolen away from the people who, in theory, actually OWN the country.

    Benjamin Franklin, when asked at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention what type of government the delegates had given us, replied: "A republic. IF you can keep it." So many seem perfectly happy to see the republic stolen away from beneath our very noses and to applaud the process! That's a mystery to me. It makes NO DIFFERENCE whether you are a Dem or a Rep, a veteran of a CO, a man or a woman, a left coaster or a right coaster, young or old - the right to vote is the linchpin of a republic. Loss of a secure and accurate voting procedure will be tantamount to lynching the republic.

    Internecine sniping at each other is the McGuffin the poitical nabobs are hoping for, so that we never notice what we have lost. :scratch:
     
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    I don't like paper ballots. If you have to count 2000 or so per campaign worker I doubt that you'd get the same count twice. Not so with a computer tally. Uniform national voter registration, expunge all dead and duplicates, question all duplicate names, Real ID, computer or machine tally verified by both major parties (plus any party actually capable of winning at least 10%), and paper back-up.
     
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    It's not hard to keep a tally of the ballots deposited, then they can be counted at the central location, via a paper counting machine, much like a money counter-been around a long long time.

    Doesn't sound like you've worked the polls.
     
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    A mechanical money counter counts pieces of paper, without regards how they have been marked. Maybe you are suggesting punch cards or filling in those little ovals wit a #2 pencil like they use for school exams. I wouldn't have a problem with either, if it weren't for the BS that we saw in Florida 2000 with the "intent" of the vote being "interpreted" by dimpled chads, etc. A digital 1 or 0 offers no such chance for interpretation, and a machine printed backup eliminates this possibility as well.

    When I lived in NY I was an officer in the Conservative Party, and got to inspect mechanical voting machines.
     

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