There Is No Way Obama Can Get Re-Elected

[Sallow]

The victim card?? You're making him a victim now?



Can you provide a few examples of his making concessions?

He was not forced to say this small sampling by conservatives:

"I won"
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
AZ wants moats and alligators to help close the borders?
Immigrants: "should punish our enemies."
Opponents on taxes and the debt are "hostage takers" & engaged in "hand to hand combat "
AIG executives: "They've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger
"I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry!"
Get in their faces
GOP Drove The Country Into A Ditch..."You would have thought at a time of historic crisis that Republican leaders would have been more willing to help us find a way out of this mess, Particularly since they created the mess."
“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
Party of no

I'm not making him a victim. Learn to read people's posts in context (i.e. what they were responding to). I'm saying

BTW, if those quotes are supposed to prove what a "divider" he is, you might want to go get a few more quotes that actually work. These are the same type of bullshit bandied around by conservatives. (Remember someone shouting out at the President during the SotU that he was a liar? How about ANY of the bullshit Cantor said during the televised Healthcare debate about how Obama was ripping apart America because he wanted to dismantle government?... I could go on and on.)

But let's talk about Obama's concessions:

1. He gave away the single-payer option without getting anything in return.

He got a health care law passed in return

2. He gave away 40% of the stimulus as tax-cuts without getting anything in return knowing that tax cuts are the worst way to stimulate the economy (smart people hold on to their money)

He got the better part of a half a trillion dollars to spend in return

3. in response to pressure about the cost of federal salaries, he conceded to a 2 yr salary freeze for public employees on 11/29/10 and got nothing in return

Is a president supposed to get something in return for showing fiscal restraint when we have a debt issue?

4. On cap and trade, Obama put up his concessions first - 1) more offshore drilling and 2) increase the number of nuclear power plants - and got nothing in return. Bupkiss. Zilcha.

He had a majority in both houses and couldnt get it going...seems it is not what the American people wanted....So he is supposed to get something the American people dont want? Really?

5. 4/11/10 budget negotiations - Obama caves on budget spending in a high-stakes negotiation situation that got a lot of media attention - whoops! He gives away billions in cuts and gets nada in return.

From ANYONE on either side of the aisle....he was off the mark with that and even his own party knew it

What is amazing to me is how he does all this and still lots of conservatives like you are glazed over and anesthetized by Republican hatred of the man to the point where you dont even recognize what you've gotten. But that's the self-hypnosis that helps you keep asking for more.

What I dont get is why you think a President is a victim of politics when he gioves in but gets no support.

Jusr because he is President doesnt mean that we are all supposed to follow his lead like sheep.

Do you have an issue with our legislative process?

I do.

I have an issue with legislators who abuse rules that were meant to be used as a last resort. They made these "last resort" rules into Business as Usual.

 

[Jarhead]

The AFL-CIO is full of poor white people getting government checks and free goodies?

Do tell!

No...the point is, poor white folk vote democratic as well.
Been trying to tell you 8537....it is not poor african americans that vote democratic for the entitlements...it is poor americans overall.....AND DO YOU BLAME THEM??????

McCain won the demographic of whites under 50K with 51%
Obama won the demographic of nonwhites under 50K with 86%.

You are referring to en election where there was an unusually high number of young, non heads of households voting...where under 50K does not reflect "poor".

For whatever reason you want to assign the African Americans as the ones who vote for entitlements.

I dont see it that way. I see african Americans voting democratic becuase the democratic party has successfully spun the conservative ideology as one that is triggered by racism...where, as I demonstrated to you yesterday, the conservative ideology is not triggered by racism....but based on the ideology, it can come across that way...only becuase the African Americans of years back were the primary recipients of entitlements that conservatives believe are not the role of government.

Personally, I am sick of this racism crap. I cant be against a Presidents policies without being called a racist since he is African American. I can not believe in personal responsibility and be against government supporting the people without being called a racist.

But whatever....if you want to continue with that thought process...go for it. I consider it shallow and not in the best interest of honest debate.

Likewise, I dont think the right accusing the democrats of "enslaving" African Americans with entitlements to ensure votes is fair to an honest debate.

But whatever......

 

[8537]

No...the point is, poor white folk vote democratic as well.
Been trying to tell you 8537....it is not poor african americans that vote democratic for the entitlements...it is poor americans overall.....AND DO YOU BLAME THEM??????

McCain won the demographic of whites under 50K with 51%
Obama won the demographic of nonwhites under 50K with 86%.

For whatever reason you want to assign the African Americans as the ones who vote for entitlements.

Where did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[Jarhead]

McCain won the demographic of whites under 50K with 51%
Obama won the demographic of nonwhites under 50K with 86%.

For whatever reason you want to assign the African Americans as the ones who vote for entitlements.

Where did you arrive at that conclusion?

Probably from the emotion of frustration.
Unfair on my part...

You believe that the African American community sees the GOP as partially guided by racism....you do not necessarily believe it is guided by racism, but vocal factions of the far right give off that impression.

Am I correct?

 

[Jarhead]

I'm not making him a victim. Learn to read people's posts in context (i.e. what they were responding to). I'm saying

BTW, if those quotes are supposed to prove what a "divider" he is, you might want to go get a few more quotes that actually work. These are the same type of bullshit bandied around by conservatives. (Remember someone shouting out at the President during the SotU that he was a liar? How about ANY of the bullshit Cantor said during the televised Healthcare debate about how Obama was ripping apart America because he wanted to dismantle government?... I could go on and on.)

But let's talk about Obama's concessions:

1. He gave away the single-payer option without getting anything in return.

He got a health care law passed in return

2. He gave away 40% of the stimulus as tax-cuts without getting anything in return knowing that tax cuts are the worst way to stimulate the economy (smart people hold on to their money)

He got the better part of a half a trillion dollars to spend in return

3. in response to pressure about the cost of federal salaries, he conceded to a 2 yr salary freeze for public employees on 11/29/10 and got nothing in return

Is a president supposed to get something in return for showing fiscal restraint when we have a debt issue?

4. On cap and trade, Obama put up his concessions first - 1) more offshore drilling and 2) increase the number of nuclear power plants - and got nothing in return. Bupkiss. Zilcha.

He had a majority in both houses and couldnt get it going...seems it is not what the American people wanted....So he is supposed to get something the American people dont want? Really?

5. 4/11/10 budget negotiations - Obama caves on budget spending in a high-stakes negotiation situation that got a lot of media attention - whoops! He gives away billions in cuts and gets nada in return.

From ANYONE on either side of the aisle....he was off the mark with that and even his own party knew it

What is amazing to me is how he does all this and still lots of conservatives like you are glazed over and anesthetized by Republican hatred of the man to the point where you dont even recognize what you've gotten. But that's the self-hypnosis that helps you keep asking for more.

What I dont get is why you think a President is a victim of politics when he gioves in but gets no support.

Jusr because he is President doesnt mean that we are all supposed to follow his lead like sheep.

Do you have an issue with our legislative process?

I do.

I have an issue with legislators who abuse rules that were meant to be used as a last resort. They made these "last resort" rules into Business as Usual.

yeah...I dont disagree with you.

And lets be fair...it happens with both parties.

 

[8537]

Where did you arrive at that conclusion?

Probably from the emotion of frustration.
Unfair on my part...

You believe that the African American community sees the GOP as partially guided by racism....you do not necessarily believe it is guided by racism, but vocal factions of the far right give off that impression.

Am I correct?

I think African Americans look at both parties and believe that Democrats are more aligned with their self-interest. As a small example, they see Democrats more inclined to support programs that benefit them such as CDBG, CSBG, and public transportation while Republicans support programs that benefit others.

And I certainly don't think mainstream Republicans are guided by racism. The fact remains that the extremist right has a racist streak, and African Americans are very aware of this.

 

[Vanquish]

The victim card?? You're making him a victim now?



Can you provide a few examples of his making concessions?

He was not forced to say this small sampling by conservatives:

"I won"
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
AZ wants moats and alligators to help close the borders?
Immigrants: "should punish our enemies."
Opponents on taxes and the debt are "hostage takers" & engaged in "hand to hand combat "
AIG executives: "They've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger
"I don't want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry!"
Get in their faces
GOP Drove The Country Into A Ditch..."You would have thought at a time of historic crisis that Republican leaders would have been more willing to help us find a way out of this mess, Particularly since they created the mess."
“They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”
Party of no

I'm not making him a victim. Learn to read people's posts in context (i.e. what they were responding to). I'm saying

BTW, if those quotes are supposed to prove what a "divider" he is, you might want to go get a few more quotes that actually work. These are the same type of bullshit bandied around by conservatives. (Remember someone shouting out at the President during the SotU that he was a liar? How about ANY of the bullshit Cantor said during the televised Healthcare debate about how Obama was ripping apart America because he wanted to dismantle government?... I could go on and on.)

But let's talk about Obama's concessions:

1. He gave away the single-payer option without getting anything in return.

He got a health care law passed in return

Sorry. Failure by you here. That wasn't the quid pro quo, Clarice.

2. He gave away 40% of the stimulus as tax-cuts without getting anything in return knowing that tax cuts are the worst way to stimulate the economy (smart people hold on to their money)

He got the better part of a half a trillion dollars to spend in return

Wrong again. He was already getting that based on the fact that yer boy Booosh had already done it once before. Conservatives wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Remember, some conservatives were in favor of the stimulus too, but he bent over even more and gave you tax cuts.



3. in response to pressure about the cost of federal salaries, he conceded to a 2 yr salary freeze for public employees on 11/29/10 and got nothing in return

Is a president supposed to get something in return for showing fiscal restraint when we have a debt issue?

You seem to want to hold the President to a higher standard. Which is it...is this all political and you can't be surprised when things get political...or is everyone supposed to do what's right no matter what? You can't have it both ways. You want to hold Obama to a standard that his political opponents don't have to be held to. He's supposed to just do something against his own political policy because YOU think it's the right thing to do, but then when he asks you for something that HE thinks is right, you don't have to do it?

4. On cap and trade, Obama put up his concessions first - 1) more offshore drilling and 2) increase the number of nuclear power plants - and got nothing in return. Bupkiss. Zilcha.

He had a majority in both houses and couldnt get it going...seems it is not what the American people wanted....So he is supposed to get something the American people dont want? Really?

Not reality. Again you forget the timing. This was at the START of the deal!!!! He walked in with his concessions already out on the table before "the American people" knew what the plan was.

5. 4/11/10 budget negotiations - Obama caves on budget spending in a high-stakes negotiation situation that got a lot of media attention - whoops! He gives away billions in cuts and gets nada in return.

From ANYONE on either side of the aisle....he was off the mark with that and even his own party knew it

More generalized revisionism without basis in fact. Tell me, at that particular time, what he gave in on and why it was off the mark. I'll even let you google it.

What is amazing to me is how he does all this and still lots of conservatives like you are glazed over and anesthetized by Republican hatred of the man to the point where you dont even recognize what you've gotten. But that's the self-hypnosis that helps you keep asking for more.

What I dont get is why you think a President is a victim of politics when he gioves in but gets no support.

Jusr because he is President doesnt mean that we are all supposed to follow his lead like sheep.

Do you have an issue with our legislative process?

Not at all. I dont expect people to follow his edicts like a dictator. I'm not from the Cheney school of presidential power. (He's on record as saying that anything the pres does is automatically constitutional because he's the chief executive.)

You keep wanting to have it both ways. Is it politics or are people supposed to do what's right?

I'm saying that this president has screwed himself by caving to republicans (sometimes before there's even a fight) on multiple, verifiable issues (do you really think the left would be pissed at their golden boy, as you conservatives keen characterizing him, if he hadn't given in so damn much? FFS!! You can't even keep the insults straight.)

He's bent over when he hasn't had to...in an attempt to seem bipartisan. He just wants to be seen as a nice guy, I suppose. But nothing he's done has stopped the right from turning him into the anti-Christ / Satan...and making everything personal to HIM. 95% of the right's insults and jabs center around HIM.

The glaze over the collective minds of conservatives is freaking powerful. From a mass social manipulation perspective, it's breathtaking. But libs aren't any better. They wont get a clear message going and they won't stand together enough to mount a response. They aren't meeting behind closed doors with their leader and saying "WTF man! Quit being a nice guy!"

 

[R.D.]

I'm not making him a victim. Learn to read people's posts in context (i.e. what they were responding to). I'm saying

pfft

BTW, if those quotes are supposed to prove what a "divider" he is, you might want to go get a few more quotes that actually work. These are the same type of bullshit bandied around by conservatives. (Remember someone shouting out at the President during the SotU that he was a liar? How about ANY of the bullshit Cantor said during the televised Healthcare debate about how Obama was ripping apart America because he wanted to dismantle government?... I could go on and on.)

What do you mean quotes that actually work? I remember what you want me to, why can't you remember what Obama said? It's not partisan hackery to know his words.

His did lie, that was Wilson btw. That Cantor may have been divisive doesn't erase the fact the President is too...which frankly I think you belittle the office by the comparison

But let's talk about Obama's concessions:

1. He gave away the single-payer option without getting anything in return.
2. He gave away 40% of the stimulus as tax-cuts without getting anything in return knowing that tax cuts are the worst way to stimulate the economy (smart people hold on to their money)
3. in response to pressure about the cost of federal salaries, he conceded to a 2 yr salary freeze for public employees on 11/29/10 and got nothing in return
4. On cap and trade, Obama put up his concessions first - 1) more offshore drilling and 2) increase the number of nuclear power plants - and got nothing in return. Bupkiss. Zilcha.
5. 4/11/10 budget negotiations - Obama caves on budget spending in a high-stakes negotiation situation that got a lot of media attention - whoops! He gives away billions in cuts and gets nada in return.

Your opinion comes across as if his royal highness did remember that he rules over all of us not just his chosen favorites.

Regarding single payer, he played his base. He backed down before the discussion started. Baucus and many others, including President Barack Obama, say single-payer is not practical or politically feasible.
"Everything is on the table with the single exception of single-payer," Baucus said recently. "This country is not going to adopt single-payer, at least not at this time."

As ealry as 2006 he was backing away from it.I asked him to give me some specific examples of what he meant. Is a proposal to convert America's healthcare system to one in which the government is the single payer for all services revolutionary or reformist? "Anything that Canada does can't be entirely revolutionary-it's Canada," Obama joked. "When I drive through Toronto, it doesn't look like a bunch of Maoists." Even so, Obama said that although he "would not shy away from a debate about single-payer," right now he is "not convinced that it is the best way to achieve universal healthcare."
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What is amazing to me is how he does all this and still lots of conservatives like you are glazed over and anesthetized by Republican hatred of the man to the point where you dont even recognize what you've gotten. But that's the self-hypnosis that helps you keep asking for more.

Oh yes, he is such a giver. We are conservatives and generally don't care for liberal socialist agendas. His Presdiency consists of more than a few (maybe) moderate moves. Hatred? You don't rise above it & condemn it all at once....another liberal-type antic.

 

[Vanquish]

So you concede that he backed down and people agreed. Thanks for playing.

I gave you a list of concessions and you've sidestepped them. Jarhead rebutted my list, but I rebutted his rebuttal (successfully in my opinion).

You still haven't answered the question I posed above:
If libs think Obama can do no wrong, why the HELL are more and more of them PiSSED at him for conceding so much?

You might want to come down off the republican horse and LEARN what socialism actually is. When twips like you misuse the word socialism, the baby jesus cries and an angel loses its wings.

Obama isn't advocating the end of private business ownership. Not even fucking close. Obama isn't spearheading a move to have the government control production through a planning agency either. Grow up and stop using the hate-speech of your conservative media types. Socialism...wow. If I had a dollar for every time someone misused that word.

 

[Liability]

So you concede that he backed down and people agreed. Thanks for playing.

I gave you a list of concessions and you've sidestepped them. Jarhead rebutted my list, but I rebutted his rebuttal (successfully in my opinion).

You still haven't answered the question I posed above:
If libs think Obama can do no wrong, why the HELL are more and more of them PiSSED at him for conceding so much?

You might want to come down off the republican horse and LEARN what socialism actually is. When twips like you misuse the word socialism, the baby jesus cries and an angel loses its wings.

Obama isn't advocating the end of private business ownership. Not even fucking close. Obama isn't spearheading a move to have the government control production through a planning agency either. Grow up and stop using the hate-speech of your conservative media types. Socialism...wow. If I had a dollar for every time someone misused that word.

I realize your close-mindedness will probably prevent you from honestly addressing this observation, but even if you are incapable of thinking things through honestly, it might still assist somebody else who (unlike you) has an open mind :

One of the varied definitions of "socialism" involves the government's or the state's ownership or control of the means of production. See, for example, Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary .

When this President has the even temporary ownership of any company or a major part of any industry in the government's hands -- and when he and those who think like him in government have so many petty rules and regulations imposed over such companies, then the practical effect is that the government ends up controlling the means of production.

 

[Liability]

Probably from the emotion of frustration.
Unfair on my part...

You believe that the African American community sees the GOP as partially guided by racism....you do not necessarily believe it is guided by racism, but vocal factions of the far right give off that impression.

Am I correct?

I think African Americans look at both parties and believe that Democrats are more aligned with their self-interest. As a small example, they see Democrats more inclined to support programs that benefit them such as CDBG, CSBG, and public transportation while Republicans support programs that benefit others.

And I certainly don't think mainstream Republicans are guided by racism. The fact remains that the extremist right has a racist streak, and African Americans are very aware of this.

Except, that's not a "fact." It is merely a statement of your opinion unsupported by evidence or logic.

By contrast, I would contend that the modern American liberal political philosophy which holds sway over most of the Democrat Parody has more easily identifiable roots in racism. But theirs is a different kind of "racism" than the one we normally associate with that nasty word.

The modern American liberal version of racism is best understood by exploring the concept of paternalism. The pandering behavior of the Democrat Parody is racially paternalistic.

 

[bodecea]

How in the world is Barack Obama going to get re-elected as President? The economy was in shambles when he came into office, and its still in shambles. That is not change that we can believe in, surely. Of course, it is certainly not all Obama's fault. The economy is still suffering a hangover from the financial crisis, when the problems in the system were never addressed, merely papered over. America is becoming an economic disaster zone, the exact outcome that Obama told us he would avert. It was all about jobs, and getting people back to work, the economy on track etc... What a bunch of crap.


Source: Benzinga

Americans ARE all about instant gratification.

 

[GHook93]

Blind liberal douch bags that ignore facts like Sallow,
Union Thugs (however, there are A LOT less of them )
Open Border Crowd scaring Latinos to vote Dimocrat
Blacks who don't care, don't know and only see a D by the name! It's not about race for them its about party affiliation!
CA, NY,IL, PA and NJ carry some serious electoral weight, esp CA which is about 20 EC away from #2 in TX.

HOWEVER, I am seeing strange things happen. Back in 2008 if you had a GOP bumper sticker your car could get vandalized. In Chicago it was fighting words to say ANYTHING negative about Obama. All the bars had the slogan "YES WE CAN" plastered all over it. Now so much now. I see bumper stickers of "Make Obama a One Term President," "Now Carter is 2nd Worst President" etc. I see people wearing shirts to the same effect. This is IL, Obama's home state and the liberal hell hole! If this is happening here, imagine what is happening all over the place.

It's hard to unseat a sitting President (see W) and esp this President who is trying to break the record for raising funds, when he should be leading the country. The only thing the community organizer is good at is campaigning!

 

[Liability]

Blind liberal douch bags that ignore facts like Sallow,
Union Thugs (however, there are A LOT less of them )
Open Border Crowd scaring Latinos to vote Dimocrat
Blacks who don't care, don't know and only see a D by the name! It's not about race for them its about party affiliation!
CA, NY,IL, PA and NJ carry some serious electoral weight, esp CA which is about 20 EC away from #2 in TX.

HOWEVER, I am seeing strange things happen. Back in 2008 if you had a GOP bumper sticker your car could get vandalized. In Chicago it was fighting words to say ANYTHING negative about Obama. All the bars had the slogan "YES WE CAN" plastered all over it. Now so much now. I see bumper stickers of "Make Obama a One Term President," "Now Carter is 2nd Worst President" etc. I see people wearing shirts to the same effect. This is IL, Obama's home state and the liberal hell hole! If this is happening here, imagine what is happening all over the place.

It's hard to unseat a sitting President (see W) and esp this President who is trying to break the record for raising funds, when he should be leading the country. The only thing the community organizer is good at is campaigning!

I am happy to believe that the majority of Americans are going to end up being too smart to buy into this President’s bullshit rhetoric a second time, especially given his abysmal record of “accomplishments.” Thus, I am VERY hopeful that President Obama will be denied a second term.

On the other hand, there IS "a way" it could still happen, unfortunately. SO, I am not prepared to break out any champagne just yet.

 

[Vanquish]

So you concede that he backed down and people agreed. Thanks for playing.

I gave you a list of concessions and you've sidestepped them. Jarhead rebutted my list, but I rebutted his rebuttal (successfully in my opinion).

You still haven't answered the question I posed above:
If libs think Obama can do no wrong, why the HELL are more and more of them PiSSED at him for conceding so much?

You might want to come down off the republican horse and LEARN what socialism actually is. When twips like you misuse the word socialism, the baby jesus cries and an angel loses its wings.

Obama isn't advocating the end of private business ownership. Not even fucking close. Obama isn't spearheading a move to have the government control production through a planning agency either. Grow up and stop using the hate-speech of your conservative media types. Socialism...wow. If I had a dollar for every time someone misused that word.

I realize your close-mindedness will probably prevent you from honestly addressing this observation, but even if you are incapable of thinking things through honestly, it might still assist somebody else who (unlike you) has an open mind :

One of the varied definitions of "socialism" involves the government's or the state's ownership or control of the means of production. See, for example, Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary .

When this President has the even temporary ownership of any company or a major part of any industry in the government's hands -- and when he and those who think like him in government have so many petty rules and regulations imposed over such companies, then the practical effect is that the government ends up controlling the means of production.

Of course there are multiple types of socialism, but none of them apply to Obama.

When this President has the even temporary ownership of any company or a major part of any industry in the government's hands -- and when he and those who think like him in government have so many petty rules and regulations imposed over such companies, then the practical effect is that the government ends up controlling the means of production.

Temporary ownership doesn't amount to socialism. Every president "uses petty rules and regulations" to govern companies. Name me one president who hasn't.

Your attempt at expanding the definition of socialism to the point where it's meaningless is crude and either dishonest or stupid. The net effect of Obama's presidency is still a "free market" (there's another dumb ass term. there's no such fucking thing as religion and government have controlled economics since pre-historic times)

Socialism is a hate-speech, boogeyman word that conservatives have distorted only to scare people with it. Equating any form of equality with socialism has help the conservatives gain traction with middle America who hears "socialist nazi" and grabs their gun. Simplistic and erroneous.

 

[8537]

I think African Americans look at both parties and believe that Democrats are more aligned with their self-interest. As a small example, they see Democrats more inclined to support programs that benefit them such as CDBG, CSBG, and public transportation while Republicans support programs that benefit others.

And I certainly don't think mainstream Republicans are guided by racism. The fact remains that the extremist right has a racist streak, and African Americans are very aware of this.

Except, that's not a "fact." It is merely a statement of your opinion unsupported by evidence or logic.

Oh really?

So the far-right extremist skinheads and the people who want to put "negro's back in their place" aren't racist?

People on this board who believe that Blacks can't lead and that we'd be better off sending them back to Africa aren't racist? Or would you like to deny that those people are extreme rightists?

 

[Stephanie]

Except, that's not a "fact." It is merely a statement of your opinion unsupported by evidence or logic.

Oh really?

So the far-right extremist skinheads and the people who want to put "negro's back in their place" aren't racist?

People on this board who believe that Blacks can't lead and that we'd be better off sending them back to Africa aren't racist? Or would you like to deny that those people are extreme rightists?

Maybe they're Extreme LEFTIST.
oh wait, I guess you mean there isn't any right?
There are racist PEOPLE be it on the right or left. So you can stop pretending they are ALL on the right.
thanks

 

[8537]

Except, that's not a "fact." It is merely a statement of your opinion unsupported by evidence or logic.

Oh really?

So the far-right extremist skinheads and the people who want to put "negro's back in their place" aren't racist?

People on this board who believe that Blacks can't lead and that we'd be better off sending them back to Africa aren't racist? Or would you like to deny that those people are extreme rightists?

Maybe they're Extreme LEFTIST.

Well, they certainly self identify on this board as rightwingers. And their views on almost every topic match the views espoused by those on the far right.

There are racist PEOPLE be it on the right or left.

It's almost like I said that already. Oh wait, I DID say that already.