There Is No Such Thing as Nuclear Waste

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    There Is No Such Thing as Nuclear Waste - WSJ.com

    Here is an interesting and informative article that will have the uninformed "green" energy crowd scratching their heads.

    And one has to ask the question. If this article is indeed true, why would our president not want to pursue nuclear power plants as perhaps the best and most efficient way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions?

    The answer, IMO is, simple pursuing nuclear power would mean less income from the president's pet scam of a cap and trade tax.

     
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    Interesting article. I am all for reviving nuclear energy, but in the form of fourth and fifth generation reactors. Three Mile Island was just to close a thing to continue to build that kind of reactor. The other problem with nuclear is the cost.

    I think that the nukes will be relegated to the role of ballast for a grid primarily reliant on wind, solar, geothermal, wave, and slow current sources. Even in that role, a goodly number of them will be needed. But not the old designs that can do the China Syndrone. Remember that we were assured that Three Mile Island could not happen. That is what killed the Nuclear Industry.
     
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    An old friend of mine retired from GE about 10 years ago. He was a nuclear engineer for them (hell, he was one of the first nuclear engineers, because when he went to college nuclear engineering didn't even exist). He spent the last 30 years of his career working with France and Japan to develop their nuclear power plants and systems. Nuclear power is the cleanest energy source known to man according to him.
     
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    Lapses in quality assurance and maintenance, inadequate operator training, lack of communication of important safety information, poor management, and complacency caused the TMI meltdown. Not the design of the reactor. These would cause meltdown of any reactor, no matter the generation or design.

    Mindless FEAR and lack of knowledge by the general public, feeding NIMBY is what killed the Nuclear industry in the US mainland, although it thrives in places like France, with reactors older then TMI, and in all of our nuclear powered ships and submarines.

    If most folks knew that nuclear power is merely another way to generate heat for boiling water, to make steam to drive turbines, most of the mindless, irrational fear and stigma would dissipate.

    I like Toshiba's new "nuclear battery" reactor. It's buried underground, and you pipe water down to it, superheated steam for your turbines comes out. If it melted down, there's no harm because it's buried 500 feet deep and is all lead-lined. These could be used to convert all coal-fired and even natural gas-fired power plants -- therefore no need for new transmission lines and other infrastructure. Every 20 years, you dig 'em up and replace them, Toshiba takes care of the waste. They recycle the waste, recharge the "battery" and send it back to you.

    Nuclear is the future of power needs worldwide. THE most efficient, cleanest, most renewable fuel we have.
     
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    Skull - thanks for posting this info. I live a stones throw from a nuke plant and knew that Yucca would never happen. The plant here is going to store the spent rods as stated in the article. Why in the world wouldn't Obama want to look into this?
     
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    Obama dismissed nuclear power completely.

    Now if the amount of waste is as minuscule as the article states and if France can produce 75+% of its power using 30 year old reactors, why can't we.

    As the Marauder stated, there are new generation reactors that are basically plug and play with our existing power grid.

    It seems to me that Obama doesn't want to do anything that isn't the most expensive way.
    After all if it doesn't cost a lot, how can he justify his expansion of government power and expense?

    Would it not be less expensive to use our existing infrastructure than to completely revamp to a wind and solar grid?

    Another thing is that the supposedly "educated" green crowd has everyone convinced that nuclear power is worse than an Ebola pandemic and you can bet you will not see any other articles like this in the media.
     
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    Oh goodie, there isn't?

    Then why don't YOU keep the stuff in your house?
     
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    Did you read the article ed or are you merely reacting?

    If after 30+ years of using nuclear power, the French, THE FRENCH FOR GOD'S SAKE, haven't produced enough nuclear waste to warrant more than a single room set aside for storage, then why is nuclear "waste" such a problem?
     
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    That's a stupid ass remark. Do you have anything that contradicts the article? Is the article lying about France's use of nuclear power/waste? I always thought the used fuel rods were dangerous; the article indicates that they are far less so than many believe and can be recycled. You don't think this is a good option for Obama to look into?
     
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    You've summed it up in a nutshell, Skull.
     

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