There is no common ground

[editec]

The destruction of our language by the constant barrage of hateful propaganda makes it damned difficult for people to truly have discussions about politics.

And that exactly why the language is being distorted, too.

Liberal and conservative are not a SET OF IDEOLGIES like most American are now propaganized into thinking they are, they're philosophic approaches to living.

The range in scale of governance is from ANARCHY to ABSOLUTE TOTALITARIANISM.

Liberal or conservative has nothing do with that.

You people need to read more books about these subjects that you so obviously do care about and listen to less TV which is DESIGNED to keep you angry and ignorant.

Kill your TVs, folks.

STop listening to talking heads.

They're not honest commentators, seeking the truth through debate.

They are propaganists seeking to misinform you.

 

[DiamondDave]

By ideology, conservatism does not support an inherent status quo...

Fail.


Conservatism, by definition, is support for the status quo or the status quo ante.

Because YOU wish to paint a picture of conservatism being 'corporatism with a hint of theocracy' does not make it so.

Correct. That people who call themselves 'conservatives' support corporatism with a hint of theocracy makes it so.

Wrong..... conservatism, by definition, is not a support for the status quo... please do not try and put the dictionary definition of conservative as an adjective to conservative as a political ideology... I know it makes it simpler for you to try and push your radical agenda, but it is indeed disingenuous....

It is not correct that conservatives support 'corporatism' in the way you wish to portray it... support for freedom to conduct business over control of government is much different that corporatism... and conservatives have no shared mantra of theology in government.... again, your feeble attempt to try and put false labels on an entire group...

While there are extreme Christian Conservatives that do want their theology legislated, this is not inclusive of all people who are hold conservative ideology.... just as not all liberals hold the belief of social collectivism

 

[☭proletarian☭]

conservatism, by definition, is not a support for the status quo...

Nor did I say it was.

It's a support for the status quo or the status quo ante.

Are you illiterate or just a liar?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

That's why it's called conserve-atism

 

[☭proletarian☭]

just as not all liberals hold the belief of social collectivism

No liberals do. Bourgeois Liberalism is incompatible with collectivism, as it stresses individualism and the right to exploit.

 

[xotoxi]

The left is progressive global bullshit .It includes all GOP wackos
There is no conservative equivalent.

Friggin' leftists!!!

 

[xotoxi]

What kind of hash you got in that pipe Fitty?

When it just doesn't make any sense...you call it "Fitty sense".

 

[DiamondDave]

That's why it's called conserve-atism

No... just as liberalism as the political ideology, does not hold every aspect of the definition of the adjective liberal

And no.. conservatism is not in support of the status quo... whether you keep repeating the myth or not... the typical myth where opponents try and say that conservatives support no change and that only the opposition wants things to change for the better

 

[☭proletarian☭]

conservatism is not in support of the status quo

Wow... you just keep building that strawman over and over, no matter how many tmes it's knocked down, don't you? Even the first pigwas smart enough to try something else.

 

[Diuretic]

Here's a thought. When the laissez-faire types got a toehold again they had to be called "neoliberal" in the US because "liberal" as a term, which originally described those adherents of free trade, had been traduced by propagandists.

But "conservative" for me has and still does refer to someone who isn't opposed to any social change but just wants it to be slow and incremental. Some of the "conservatives" I've seen in US politics aren't "conservative" at all, they're reactionaries.