Theocracy In America--Who wants this?

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    "Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ -- to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less... Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ."

    (From The Changing of the Guard: Biblical Principles for Political Action by George Grant, published in 1987 by Dominion Press)

    http://www.brucegourley.com/christiannation/theocracy.htm

    A question came up about theocracy in Israel on another thread. Israel was founded as a theocracy.

    What concerns me more is that some Americans want the US to be a Christian theocracy--which goes against everything the founders intended. I thought this may be an interesting topic.

    What do you think?
     
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    Here's another article to stimulate discussion:

    "Reconstructionism is a theology that arose out of conservative Presbyterianism (Reformed and Orthodox), which proposes that contemporary application of the laws of Old Testament Israel, or ''Biblical Law,'' is the basis for reconstructing society toward the Kingdom of God on earth.

    Reconstructionism argues that the Bible is to be the governing text for all areas of life--such as government, education, law, and the arts, not merely ''social'' or ''moral'' issues like pornography, homosexuality, and abortion. Reconstructionists have formulated a ''Biblical world view'' and ''Biblical principles'' by which to examine contemporary matters. Reconstructionist theologian David Chilton succinctly describes this view: ''The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God's law.''

    More broadly, Reconstructionists believe that there are three main areas of governance: family government, church government, and civil government. Under God's covenant, the nuclear family is the basic unit. The husband is the head of the family, and wife and children are ''in submission'' to him. In turn, the husband ''submits'' to Jesus and to God's laws as detailed in the Old Testament. The church has its own ecclesiastical structure and governance. Civil government exists to implement God's laws. All three institutions are under Biblical Law, the implementation of which is called ''theonomy.''


    Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical ''warfare'' is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, ''sodomy or homosexuality,'' incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, ''unchastity before marriage.''

    According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, ''along with those who advised them to abort their children.''

    Christian Reconstructionism - religious cults, sects and movements
     
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    Great thread topic! I can say lots later but need to go to lunch. I was listening to a radio interview with the author of Crazy for God, the son of a Christian misionary and a former anti choice advocate who knew Jerry Falwell and who came to the conclusion that he and others of his ilk were calling for Christians to destroy our government and defy the Constitution.
     
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    I only caught a small portion of that interview, Ang. Look forward to discussing that with you later.
     
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    Check out House Resolution 888:

    Therefore:

    (2) recognizes that the religious foundations of faith on which America was built are critical underpinnings of our Nation's most valuable institutions and form the inseparable foundation for America's representative processes, legal systems, and societal structures;

    (3) rejects, in the strongest possible terms, any effort to remove, obscure, or purposely omit such history from our Nation's public buildings and educational resources; and......

    The Beginning of an American Theocracy

    Here you have it ladies and gentlemen. The beginnings of a theocracy.
     
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    I think your precepts concerning what the founding fathers of this country are flawed. I also think that you may be misinformed or lumping too many Christians into a perception that you have about all Christians is because of what is being taught by a few or more misguided preachers that are not teaching what Jesus/Yahushua taught.
     
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    Show some evidence please. I am not lumping all Christians together at all. The articles clearly shows which Christians promote theocracy.
     
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    if it does, then, Which Christians are clearly doing this? the two ministers you quoted?


    if having the 10 commandments carved on the supreme court walls is the beginning of a theocracy then why didn't it turn in to a theocracy the decades ago when they carved them there? Those things are ridiculous, skydancer....they have nothing to do with the federal government supporting an "Established Church" which is what they are forbid to do?

    The first article is from 1987, and these people have failed to do what they wanted, it has been 20 years since then and, we the people still have our democracy....because our constitution is strong....

    I'd be more worried about Secular Corporations taking away our freedoms (and rape of us our money and liberty), than these fanatical religious groups that purposely misrepresent Scripture for their own political gain....not religious gain, but political power and gain imo.

    ya know?

    Care
     
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    Care--

    If you go back to the article and actually check it out there is an entire list of organizations that support the theocracy movement.

    In 20 years this movement has made many gains. The legislation I listed is one of them.
     
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    Amen, very good points care thank you!
     

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