Then they came for us...

[Clementine]

When are they coming for the deadbeats and freeloaders?

I think those are the ones coming after us. Be afraid, be very afraid. Those Wall Street Occupoopers looked like zombies.

 

[SAT2]

I'm attempting to draw no distinctions, as there are precious few.

But I'm not the one here trying to paint the socialists/progressive democratics as the good guys and the republitards as the guys in the black capes and stove pipe hats....You are.

Nor am I the one who is purposefully looking the other way when the malefactors are on my team....You are.

Face it....There ain't a dime's worth of difference between you and the "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) that you claim to decry and detest.

Again, I am debunking the ludicrous claim that fascists are like progressives and liberals made by PC. You agree with her claims, but you cannot support them with arguments.

 

[westwall]

Yeah... when they come with tanks and drones... good luck with the Remingtons.

The Rumanian revolution was started with single shot .22 caliber target pistols.

 

[westwall]

I'm attempting to draw no distinctions, as there are precious few.

But I'm not the one here trying to paint the socialists/progressive democratics as the good guys and the republitards as the guys in the black capes and stove pipe hats....You are.

Nor am I the one who is purposefully looking the other way when the malefactors are on my team....You are.

Face it....There ain't a dime's worth of difference between you and the "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) that you claim to decry and detest.

And, yes, the socialists/progressives have virtually nothing to distinguish themselves as different in substance from fascists.

Absolutely true.

 

[Oddball]

I'm attempting to draw no distinctions, as there are precious few.

But I'm not the one here trying to paint the socialists/progressive democratics as the good guys and the republitards as the guys in the black capes and stove pipe hats....You are.

Nor am I the one who is purposefully looking the other way when the malefactors are on my team....You are.

Face it....There ain't a dime's worth of difference between you and the "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) that you claim to decry and detest.

Again, I am debunking the ludicrous claim that fascists are like progressives and liberals made by PC. You agree with her claims, but you cannot support them with arguments.

No, they're not unlike one another...In fact, they have far more in common than not.


But then again, I'm not the one who is hung up on picayune distinctions of form that don't add up to a hill of beans in substance....Again, you are.

Fascism: Central economic planning, abolition of private property, propaganda as "news", military dictatorship, societal stratification via political affiliation, scapegoating of unfavored societal groups for the nation's ills, and concentration camps/gulags for dissenters and other "undesirables".

Progressivism/Socialism/Communism: Central economic planning, abolition of private property, propaganda as "news", military dictatorship, societal stratification via political affiliation, scapegoating of unfavored societal groups for the nation's ills, and concentration camps/gulags for dissenters and other "undesirables".


Oh, which team should I choose to be on?

 

[Oddball]

P.S...Do your self a favor and learn what the Hegelian Dialectic is, you fool.

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

 

[SAT2]

Progressivism/Socialism/Communism: Central economic planning, abolition of private property, propaganda as "news", military dictatorship, societal stratification via political affiliation, scapegoating of unfavored societal groups for the nation's ills and concentration camps/gulags for dissenters and other "undesirables".

Oh, which team should I choose to be?

Except that those don't apply to liberals or progressives.

Again, you are attempting to show that liberals and progressives are like fascists. And you've been unable to do.

Progressives and liberals don't support military dictatorships, or abolition of private property, or societal stratification via political affiliation, or scapegoating of marginalized groups, or gulags for anyone.

 

[Oddball]

You're either a hopelessly naïve party man hack or dumber than dirt.

Come to think of it, the latter begets the former....'Nuf said.

 

[SAT2]

One huge difference you've been trying to tap dance around is authoritarianism-which is present in fascist movements, but not in liberal or progressive/social democracies. In fact, these views are anti-authoritarian.

 

[dblack]

One huge difference you've been trying to tap dance around is authoritarianism-which is present in fascist movements, but not in liberal or progressive/social democracies. In fact, these views are anti-authoritarian.

Nay... liberal/social democracies aren't immune to authoritarianism, or fascism. Unfortunately.

 

[hortysir]

Let's take them before they take us.

Damn straight! Load up your cars. Get all the guns you can. Everyone up to Montana! We'll make our last stand there. There are a lot of us up there already!

C'mon guys! Let's GO!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHa_jqxnn4o]The Blues Brothers - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SAT2]

One huge difference you've been trying to tap dance around is authoritarianism-which is present in fascist movements, but not in liberal or progressive/social democracies. In fact, these views are anti-authoritarian.

Nay... liberal/social democracies aren't immune to authoritarianism, or fascism. Unfortunately.

I should have specified progressive/social ideology. Obviously, any nation can change over time. But liberal ideology is not authoritarian, nor is the ideology behind social democracies, which is progressivism, authoritarian. Both are anti-authoritarian.

To compare criticizing Wall Street to the murder of union workers and Jews by fascists is not just ignorant, it's downright disrespectful to those who have been killed by fascists.

 

[Avatar4321]

what is it with the cons thinking they are survivalists?

Is that their plan for the country ONLY survivalists can make it?

Actually, our plans involve people taking responsibility for themselves and prosperity for all.

Unfortuanately, we don't have power. So we need to work on our survival skills to make sure we are alive at the end of this progressive nightmare.

 

[Avatar4321]

Please tell us what policies of the Nazis are "staunchly leftist".

Let's see:

1) Obsessed with race
2) Strict environmentalist policies
3) Total government control.
4) Micromanaging individual behaviors to conform to the group
5) Viewing people as groups instead of as indivivdual.
6) Pro abortion and Pro Euthanasia.
7) Advocating government redistribution of wealth
8) Favored unions when convenient and abandoned them when convenient.
9) Anti-Christian, anti-Jewish

The real question is, other than a policy of mass murder, what's different?

Please, tell us how Pol Pot and Hilter are like Obama.

They all believe in government controlling everything.

That's not obvious?

 

[Photonic]

Please tell us what policies of the Nazis are "staunchly leftist".

Let's see:

1) Obsessed with race
2) Strict environmentalist policies
3) Total government control.
4) Micromanaging individual behaviors to conform to the group
5) Viewing people as groups instead of as indivivdual.
6) Pro abortion and Pro Euthanasia.
7) Advocating government redistribution of wealth
8) Favored unions when convenient and abandoned them when convenient.
9) Anti-Christian, anti-Jewish

The real question is, other than a policy of mass murder, what's different?

Please, tell us how Pol Pot and Hilter are like Obama.

They all believe in government controlling everything.

That's not obvious?

Given that communism is the extreme of leftist thinking, and that Communist Russia strictly outlawed abortion under Stalin, I have a hard time believing that it has any correlation.

Not to mention the Nazi Regime was decidedly Christian.

 

[SAT2]

Even you don't believe that, Avatar.

 

[Avatar4321]

Please tell us what policies of the Nazis are "staunchly leftist".

Let's see:

1) Obsessed with race
2) Strict environmentalist policies
3) Total government control.
4) Micromanaging individual behaviors to conform to the group
5) Viewing people as groups instead of as indivivdual.
6) Pro abortion and Pro Euthanasia.
7) Advocating government redistribution of wealth
8) Favored unions when convenient and abandoned them when convenient.
9) Anti-Christian, anti-Jewish

The real question is, other than a policy of mass murder, what's different?

Please, tell us how Pol Pot and Hilter are like Obama.

They all believe in government controlling everything.

That's not obvious?

Given that communism is the extreme of leftist thinking, and that Communist Russia strictly outlawed abortion under Stalin, I have a hard time believing that it has any correlation.

Not to mention the Nazi Regime was decidedly Christian.

lie much?

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah... but they were really Corporatists who were in collusion with industry and the banking sector.

The "socialist" moniker was to get the working class people to be passive....nothing more.

Not hardly.

As is true of every totalitarian movement, it was about primacy of government over the rights of the individual.

Dead on, per usual, and I'm out of rep!

 

[Avatar4321]

Even you don't believe that, Avatar.

No, of course not. Why on earth would i answer your question? Silly me. I thought you actually wanted to understand.

 

[Photonic]

Let's see:

1) Obsessed with race
2) Strict environmentalist policies
3) Total government control.
4) Micromanaging individual behaviors to conform to the group
5) Viewing people as groups instead of as indivivdual.
6) Pro abortion and Pro Euthanasia.
7) Advocating government redistribution of wealth
8) Favored unions when convenient and abandoned them when convenient.
9) Anti-Christian, anti-Jewish

The real question is, other than a policy of mass murder, what's different?



They all believe in government controlling everything.

That's not obvious?

Given that communism is the extreme of leftist thinking, and that Communist Russia strictly outlawed abortion under Stalin, I have a hard time believing that it has any correlation.

Not to mention the Nazi Regime was decidedly Christian.

lie much?

Having fun with your propaganda?