The Year Without An Arctic Summer

[Billy_Bob]

WTF you talking about? It's -30DegC at the summit of a TERRESTRIAL Ice sheet at peak Summer. And glaciers don't calve off a TERRESTRIAL Ice Sheet.

Again, there's that failing of middle school science. Flac doesn't grasp that glaciers move.

Besides check the DMI plots it show APPRECIABLE growth INLAND and some loss at the coasts.

I really tried to dumb it down to a point where even you could grasp it. I failed. I'll try again.

That DMI image shows how much the ice would have grown IF IT HADN'T FLOWED AT ALL. It _did_ flow, hence ice was lost.

Tough shit SquidWard. That's the current weather report from Greenland. It's NOT melting.. It's REGENERATING quickly last couple years.

The satellite measurements say the opposite. Ice is increasing a bit in the middle, due to increased snowfall, but ice is dropping fast along the coasts.

Total mass change: Polar Portal

But then, that's just hard data, so it can't hope to compete with your religious beliefs.

Do you know why DMI STOPPED with its 30% or greater ice levels? BECAUSE THEY ARE GROWING.. The multi year ice is increasing and that simply doesn't fit your alarmist clown agenda. The data is still available and the the ice levels are still growing. It's the weak thin ice that can vary massively form one year to the next. That is why it means exactly squat!

Do you know how much 30% ice has increased in the Arctic the last three years? Let see if your smart enough to figure it out... {hint: its greater than 3% this year alone}

 

[mamooth]

Do you know why DMI STOPPED with its 30% or greater ice levels?

Because they switched to a >15% map.

This conspiracy again? Come on, get some new material.

The multi year ice is increasing and the a simply doesn't fit your alarmist clown agenda.

No, that's totally wrong. The thick belt of multi-year ice on the north side of Canada and Greenland is much less extensive than it used to be. That's why total ice volume is so low.

BECAUSE THEY ARE GROWING..

And by growing, you mean going to record lows.

Here's the combined Arctic/Antarctic sea ice extent. It's at a record low for this date.

Global Sea Ice - ArctischePinguin

 

[Billy_Bob]

Do you know why DMI STOPPED with its 30% or greater ice levels?

Because they switched to a >15% map.

This conspiracy again? Come on, get some new material.

The multi year ice is increasing and the a simply doesn't fit your alarmist clown agenda.

No, that's totally wrong. The thick belt of multi-year ice on the north side of Canada and Greenland is much less extensive than it used to be. That's why total ice volume is so low.

BECAUSE THEY ARE GROWING..

And by growing, you mean going to record lows.

Here's the combined Arctic/Antarctic sea ice extent. It's at a record low for this date.

Global Sea Ice - ArctischePinguin

LOL

Current graphing is inaccurate. The sensor drift is massive and the units are malfunctioning. They have been for 5 years. Even NOAA no longer uses the satellites that it commissioned. they are now using privately owned satellites.

The last five years have consistently dropped in service functionality in these devices while the units that use photo recon-topography show a very different picture and show us center of the +- 2std deviations. but keep on using the known flawed data set.. Even this current graph shows the erratic behavior of the sensor drift. And 15% ice levels too boot.. Too Funny.. you cant even search for the data, your such a loser.. LMAO...

 

[mamooth]

Current graphing is inaccurate. The sensor drift is massive and the units are malfunctioning. They have been for 5 years. Even NOAA no longer uses the satellites that it commissioned.

Given that NOAA never commissioned any satellites, and NOAA isn't the one making the coverage data, that's particularly senseless.

they are now using privately owned satellites.

Really? Tell us more. Just which private satellites are were launched into a rather useless (for a private satellite) polar orbit?

The last five years have consistently dropped in service functionality in these devices while the units that use photo recon-topography show a very different picture

Then by all means, show us that data. If you're not just a crazy guy on the internet making crap up, that should be no problem for you. Make sure you explain how a photo can distinguish old ice from new ice, and how it works when it's cloudy.

 

[flacaltenn]

YEPPERS Squidward. In the 3 years we're discussing -- that Ice mass could have "flowed" a whole foot or so..

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By 2000, the glacier had sped up to 9400 meters (5.84 miles) per year, topping out with the last measurement in spring 2003 at 12,600 meters (7.83 miles) per year.
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So, you underestimated glacier speed by a factor of 10,000 or so. On the bright side, that's less erroneous than you usually are.

So, why should anyone ever take any of your wild claims on any topic seriously? After all, you've demonstrated complete incompetence and a reckless disregard for facts and data. If you're doing that here, you'll do it anywhere.

You were too embarrassed to give a link to that. Because you're a poser and a habitual troll.. That's ONE unusual situation on ONE sea bound glacier. Holds the world's record for speed.. It's an UNSTABLE oddity..

NASA - Fastest Glacier in Greenland Doubles Speed

Fastest Glacier in Greenland Doubles Speed12.01.04

When people talk about something moving at a glacial pace, they are referring to speeds that make a tortoise look like a hare. While it is all relative, glaciers actually flow at speeds that require time lapses to recognize. Still, researchers who study Earth's ice and the flow of glaciers have been surprised to find the world's fastest glacier in Greenland doubled its speed between 1997 and 2003.


The acceleration comes at a time when the floating ice near the glacier's calving front has shown some unusual behavior. Despite its relative stability from the 1950's through the 1990s, the glacier's ice tongue began to break apart in 2000, leading to almost complete disintegration in 2003. The tongue's thinning and breaking up likely reduced any restraining effects it had on the ice behind it, as several speed increases coincided with losses of sections of the ice-tongue as it broke up. Recent NASA-funded research in the Antarctic Peninsula showed similar increases in glacier flow following the Larson B ice shelf break-up.

 

[mamooth]

You were too embarrassed to give a link to that. Because you're a poser and a habitual troll..

I showed you were wrong. You could have admitted it, or just said nothing, and I would have let it go, but instead you've chosen to pout. Very mature.

The fact that you were wrong is not debatable. Greenland is losing ice mass fast. Glaciers do not move 1 foot a year. The hard data shows that.

What's more, you are now fully aware you were wrong, but you're still pushing the same crap that you know is wrong. Knowingly pushing crap arguments is being a troll. That's you now.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Current graphing is inaccurate. The sensor drift is massive and the units are malfunctioning. They have been for 5 years. Even NOAA no longer uses the satellites that it commissioned.

Given that NOAA never commissioned any satellites, and NOAA isn't the one making the coverage data, that's particularly senseless.

they are now using privately owned satellites.

Really? Tell us more. Just which private satellites are were launched into a rather useless (for a private satellite) polar orbit?

The last five years have consistently dropped in service functionality in these devices while the units that use photo recon-topography show a very different picture

Then by all means, show us that data. If you're not just a crazy guy on the internet making crap up, that should be no problem for you. Make sure you explain how a photo can distinguish old ice from new ice, and how it works when it's cloudy.

lol

You don't have a clue! do you know how topography is done? Didn't think so....

 

[flacaltenn]

You were too embarrassed to give a link to that. Because you're a poser and a habitual troll..

I showed you were wrong. You could have admitted it, or just said nothing, and I would have let it go, but instead you've chosen to pout. Very mature.

The fact that you were wrong is not debatable. Greenland is losing ice mass fast. Glaciers do not move 1 foot a year. The hard data shows that.

What's more, you are now fully aware you were wrong, but you're still pushing the same crap that you know is wrong. Knowingly pushing crap arguments is being a troll. That's you now.

How many miles across is the Greenland Ice Sheet? How much of that is even SUBJECT to glaciation? The ice is recovering lately. Despite the lying and smoke screen from the govt science political resisters.

It'll all be clear in a couple more years.

 

[polarbear]

When you have consensus, do you really need data, facts or experiments?

The fact is that you need a consensus if you can't duplicate the data with experiments !

 

[skookerasbil]

WTF you talking about? It's -30DegC at the summit of a TERRESTRIAL Ice sheet at peak Summer. And glaciers don't calve off a TERRESTRIAL Ice Sheet.

Again, there's that failing of middle school science. Flac doesn't grasp that glaciers move.

Besides check the DMI plots it show APPRECIABLE growth INLAND and some loss at the coasts.

I really tried to dumb it down to a point where even you could grasp it. I failed. I'll try again.

That DMI image shows how much the ice would have grown IF IT HADN'T FLOWED AT ALL. It _did_ flow, hence ice was lost.

Tough shit SquidWard. That's the current weather report from Greenland. It's NOT melting.. It's REGENERATING quickly last couple years.

The satellite measurements say the opposite. Ice is increasing a bit in the middle, due to increased snowfall, but ice is dropping fast along the coasts.

Total mass change: Polar Portal

But then, that's just hard data, so it can't hope to compete with your religious beliefs.

That's right.........skeptics are the "religion".

Except................. ( not sure this meathead can comprehend the inference )


http://www.mrctv.org/blog/poll-americans-not-concerned-about-climate-change

 

[skookerasbil]

still hasn't gotten over 92 degree's in New York. Ghey.........20 years ago by this time, we'd have had several days into the 100's. Back down to high 70's and low 80's this week................W..........T.........F??!!!

 

[jc456]

still hasn't gotten over 92 degree's in New York. Ghey.........20 years ago by this time, we'd have had several days into the 100's. Back down to high 70's and low 80's this week................W..........T.........F??!!!

75 today Skooks, after 90 yesterday. that CO2 is truly some remarkable shit. can't hold a temperature steady here in Chi-Town. yet it can melt the arctic

 

[Billy_Bob]

still hasn't gotten over 92 degree's in New York. Ghey.........20 years ago by this time, we'd have had several days into the 100's. Back down to high 70's and low 80's this week................W..........T.........F??!!!

Just wait about two more weeks.. The deer and antelope in my area are already losing their summer furs.. The dogs are as well and the under fur is heavy..

Hide and watch... its looking like my predictions are coming to fruition..

 

[Old Rocks]

Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.

Early in the year, the temperature for the Arctic ran very much higher than normal. Since then, it has ran at about average. That is the reality, and we are not seeing a freezeup at all now, Silly Billy, so put that stupidity back in your asshole where you pulled it out of.

 

[SSDD]

Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.

Early in the year, the temperature for the Arctic ran very much higher than normal. Since then, it has ran at about average. That is the reality, and we are not seeing a freezeup at all now, Silly Billy, so put that stupidity back in your asshole where you pulled it out of.

You say "much hotter" as if it means something...how much below freezing were these "much hotter" temperatures?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.

Early in the year, the temperature for the Arctic ran very much higher than normal. Since then, it has ran at about average. That is the reality, and we are not seeing a freezeup at all now, Silly Billy, so put that stupidity back in your asshole where you pulled it out of.

LOL...

That graph only shows the highest temp during the day.. You really are an idiot...

 

[SSDD]

Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.

Early in the year, the temperature for the Arctic ran very much higher than normal. Since then, it has ran at about average. That is the reality, and we are not seeing a freezeup at all now, Silly Billy, so put that stupidity back in your asshole where you pulled it out of.

LOL...

That graph only shows the highest temp during the day.. You really are an idiot...

When you look at what they post up as evidence for their position, it is little wonder that they will be known as the biggest dupes in human history.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Daily mean temperature and climate north of the 80th northern parallel, as a function of the day of year.

Early in the year, the temperature for the Arctic ran very much higher than normal. Since then, it has ran at about average. That is the reality, and we are not seeing a freezeup at all now, Silly Billy, so put that stupidity back in your asshole where you pulled it out of.

LOL...

That graph only shows the highest temp during the day.. You really are an idiot...

When you look at what they post up as evidence for their position, it is little wonder that they will be known as the biggest dupes in human history.

Even looking at this graph shows that the day time temp is still below average consistently this summer by -1-2 deg C. But its the Hottest EV'A according to him... HE keeps talking about stupidity, must be because he is projecting his own..

 

[Old Rocks]

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Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

No summer up there? LOL

 

[skookerasbil]

Well this sure lhis sure doesn't fit the climate crusader narrative..........the colder temperatures have moved south ( but they don't count to the alarmists )

http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/coldest-cities-summer.php

Summers are colder in a lot of American cities of late. As Ive been saying being a resident of New York and living on Long Island.........this week, temperatures are in the 70's all week and here we are just before August. Highly fucked up. Have not seen 100 degree's in years and it used to be a regular thing back 10, 20 30 years ago........one or two 3-4 day period of 100's. WTF??? People don't ever remember having to wear hoodies...........ever.......in late July for several days. Ask these people if they are caring about the north pole!! Long Islanders are all beach people........but in recent years are scratching their heads in summer.


One will note..........the climate crusaders only want to talk about the north pole all the time. Temperatures don't matter anywhere else.