The Worst May Be Yet To Come! Dec. 10!

[Dragon]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster, a product of Democratic Party maneuvering that the party has lost control of. In fact, that description much better fits the Tea Party (except substitute Republican for Democratic, of course), which from 2009 on was the product of funding by GOP deep pockets, but has taken on a life of its own and affected the course of Republican primary elections in ways that were never planned nor desired.

Occupy is not a Democratic Party movement -- and never was one. That the party cannot control it is certainly true, but it was never true. The movement's members dislike the Republicans more than they dislike the Democrats, but they are progressives (for the most part) -- not Democrats. The protest is targeted at the Democrats as much as or more than the Republicans, and always was.

The thread title is quite correct. The movement is very much alive, and there is much more to come. By the way, everything is telegraphed (and organized) on the Internet and social media, so there aren't any big secrets here. December 10? Yes: Call for an Alternative Day of Action on Human Rights Day Saturday, December 10th, 2011*|*Occupy Together Human rights are not optional! | United for #globalchange

 

[OODA_Loop]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster

Law abiding America sees OWS as a monster

 

[Dragon]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster

Law abiding America sees OWS as a monster

If so, that's a temporary setback and a result of the corporate propaganda machine taking it seriously and counterattacking. Tactics are changing and Occupy is moving beyond its initial actions. Camping out in public land has outlived its usefulness, and I'm not the only person saying so.

The public OVERWHELMINGLY agrees with Occupy on the issues it represents. If support for the movement itself has declined, that's because the corporate propaganda machine has been successful in diverting people's attention from those issues to peripherals and incidentals, and in falsely painting the movement as violent, which it isn't.

The success and the setback must be (and are being) acknowledged; we always knew we weren't dealing with amateurs. But it's far from over, and in the end, we will win.

 

[OODA_Loop]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster

Law abiding America sees OWS as a monster

If so, that's a temporary setback and a result of the corporate propaganda machine taking it seriously and counterattacking. If support for the movement itself has declined, that's because the corporate propaganda machine has been successful in diverting people's attention from those issues to peripherals and incidentals, and in falsely painting the movement as violent, which it isn't.

yes you have it figured out

the corporate propaganda machine is making the mindless drones think OWS is wrong

lawful, self-accountable Americans only know what rush tells them

 

[The Gadfly]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster, a product of Democratic Party maneuvering that the party has lost control of. In fact, that description much better fits the Tea Party (except substitute Republican for Democratic, of course), which from 2009 on was the product of funding by GOP deep pockets, but has taken on a life of its own and affected the course of Republican primary elections in ways that were never planned nor desired.

Occupy is not a Democratic Party movement -- and never was one. That the party cannot control it is certainly true, but it was never true. The movement's members dislike the Republicans more than they dislike the Democrats, but they are progressives (for the most part) -- not Democrats. The protest is targeted at the Democrats as much as or more than the Republicans, and always was.

The thread title is quite correct. The movement is very much alive, and there is much more to come. By the way, everything is telegraphed (and organized) on the Internet and social media, so there aren't any big secrets here. December 10? Yes: Call for an Alternative Day of Action on Human Rights Day Saturday, December 10th, 2011*|*Occupy Together Human rights are not optional! | United for #globalchange

Bull! The democrat party and the Obama campaign's fingerprints are all over your little "movement"This is Van Jones' "October Counteroffensive", remember? This whole thing was ginned up by the likes of Jones, Soros, the Tides Foundation-the usual "progressive"suspects-but they're not tied to the democrat party. Sure they aren't, and my name is Napoleon Bonaparte! They backed Obama to the hilt, and now, with Obama in trouble they called on their allies (including SEIU and other radicals) to create a diversion. Predictably, the loons are now out of control. Frankly, I'm loving this; I want them to keep pushing, until the democrats either have to openly totally throw in with the mob (and reveal what they REALLY are!) or more likely finally have to get tough and alienate their far-left base! Either way, these people are pushing the American center AWAY from the Left, and that's a good thing!

Riot away, Shitters! Keep it up; not only are you helping defeat Obama and his radical agenda; in the long run, mainstream America may finally get sufficiently disgusted with the Left, for us to achieve our dream of crushing it for good!

 

[The Gadfly]

This thread seems to see Occupy as some kind of Frankenstein's monster

Law abiding America sees OWS as a monster

If so, that's a temporary setback and a result of the corporate propaganda machine taking it seriously and counterattacking. Tactics are changing and Occupy is moving beyond its initial actions. Camping out in public land has outlived its usefulness, and I'm not the only person saying so.

The public OVERWHELMINGLY agrees with Occupy on the issues it represents. If support for the movement itself has declined, that's because the corporate propaganda machine has been successful in diverting people's attention from those issues to peripherals and incidentals, and in falsely painting the movement as violent, which it isn't.

The success and the setback must be (and are being) acknowledged; we always knew we weren't dealing with amateurs. But it's far from over, and in the end, we will win.

Keep right on believing that! PLEASE! We are going to keep digging at you stupid lemmings, until you all march yourselves right over the precipice and into the abyss, and the beauty of it all, is that you'll do it all by yourselves; at most we will need only to give you an easily deniable nudge into oblivion! Fortunately for us, one thing the Left has never lost is its self-destructive nature. You are right about one thing, kid; you are NOT dealing with amateurs; you are playing WAY out of your league now!

 

[lizzie]

The OWS crowd is a fact we can see them every day. The reasons for them gathering are a fact as well, the proof is that they are there. Logic and spin are ineffectual in dealing with a mob who feels slighted and oppressed. Do they have reason to feel cheated and oppressed? maybe they do maybe they don't, but the fact is it doesn't matter.

If they are feeling slighted and oppressed, perhaps they should stop whining and point the finger where it belongs- at themselves. The only thing oppressing people is their own sucky attitudes and sense of entitlement. Nobody owes them anything whatsoever. If you want a piece of the pie then you have to earn it. You can always try to steal it, but then you're risking the chance that whomever you steal it from won't put up with that bullshit.

The OWS protesters are not aginst the Republicans or conservatives, it just happens to be that Republicans and Conservatives run Wall Street. Coincidence, maybe.

I suggest that you do a little fact-checking.

 

[Dragon]

Bull! The democrat party and the Obama campaign's fingerprints are all over your little "movement"

I understand why you want to believe that, but wishful thinking doesn't make it so. This is a genuine grass-roots, populist movement, and its MAIN target is the Democratic Party. It may look to your partisan eyes like a protest against the Republicans, but it's not; it's a protest from the left against the Democrats. (And against the corporate-government collusion generally, of course.)

Here's the thing. We have both parties bought and paid for by the big corporations that actually run this country. Under those circumstances, just voting Democrats into office won't solve things; we've proven that over the past few years if there was any doubt.

But the Democrats MAY be able to change -- there are genuine progressives among them, and a FEW who don't do the bidding of Wall Street and the 1%. If the party as a whole weans itself from the corporate tit, we win. The Republicans are a lost cause. So this protest is not aimed at defeating the GOP at the polls and electing Democrats. It's aimed at influencing the behavior of Democrats so that perhaps they'll become WORTH electing.

This is a movement Obama will try to use to his own purposes if he can, but it's not a movement in support of him.

 

[editec]

IF the OWS movement was the failure some of you claim it is?

You wouldn't be bitching about it.

 

[The Gadfly]

IF the OWS movement was the failure some of you claim it is?

You wouldn't be bitching about it.

What I am complaining about, with regard to OWS, is not its rather pathetic existence (that part of it is in fact, laughable) but its propensity for violence, as repeatedly demonstrated, and the stated desire of some of its adherence for more violence, including potential insurrection, or civil war. There is a right to civil disobedience (so long as it is peaceful, and those involved submit to lawful arrest when they violate the law). There is ABSOLUTELY NO "right" to riot, and/or violent insurrection. Just so we're clear on precisely what I am "bitching" about.

 

[Dragon]

What I am complaining about, with regard to OWS, is not its rather pathetic existence (that part of it is in fact, laughable) but its propensity for violence

It has no propensity for violence. At least not yet.

 

[lizzie]

IF the OWS movement was the failure some of you claim it is?

You wouldn't be bitching about it.

To be more precise, we're laughing about it. Bitching is pretty innocuous.

 

[Caroljo]

What I am complaining about, with regard to OWS, is not its rather pathetic existence (that part of it is in fact, laughable) but its propensity for violence

It has no propensity for violence. At least not yet.

Oh ya?

OWS violence: this isn't your grandfather's tea party - National Conservative | Examiner.com

and

NYPD gets tough on OWS protesters - NYPOST.com

and

Pundit Press: Compilation: 40 Examples of OWS Violence, Perversion, and Anti-semitism (With Pictures, Videos)

There's lots more - just google it! You never saw articles like this at Tea Party rallies have you??

 

[Dragon]

IF the OWS movement was the failure some of you claim it is?

You wouldn't be bitching about it.

To be more precise, we're laughing about it. Bitching is pretty innocuous.

Well, let's make that "you" a little more accurate. If the movement was the failure some of you claim it is, there wouldn't be such a coordinated, intensive media campaign aimed at depicting it in a bad light, and a big Wall Street lobbying firm wouldn't be targeting $850,000 against it and warning financial institutions of how dangerous it is to Wall Street interests:

US lobbyists aimed to smear Occupy Wall Street: report - Yahoo! News

A memo written on the letterhead of well-known Washington lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford urged the American Bankers Association (ABA), a client, to conduct "opposition research" on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct "negative narratives" about the protests and its political backers.

Warning that the movement could lead to weakened support for Wall Street among both Democratic and Republican politicians, the four-page memo targeted specific states where the outcome of 2012 elections could have a major impact on the financial sector.

If Democrats make the OWS movement's anti-capitalist message a centerpiece of their campaigns, "this would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street," said the memo posted on MSNBC's website.

So there you go. YOU, personally, may perhaps be laughing about it (or not, I can't tell if you're being honest about that). But there are some major players in politics and the economy who are taking it very seriously indeed.

 

[lizzie]

IF the OWS movement was the failure some of you claim it is?

You wouldn't be bitching about it.

To be more precise, we're laughing about it. Bitching is pretty innocuous.

Well, let's make that "you" a little more accurate. If the movement was the failure some of you claim it is, there wouldn't be such a coordinated, intensive media campaign aimed at depicting it in a bad light, and a big Wall Street lobbying firm wouldn't be targeting $850,000 against it and warning financial institutions of how dangerous it is to Wall Street interests:

US lobbyists aimed to smear Occupy Wall Street: report - Yahoo! News

A memo written on the letterhead of well-known Washington lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford urged the American Bankers Association (ABA), a client, to conduct "opposition research" on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct "negative narratives" about the protests and its political backers.

Warning that the movement could lead to weakened support for Wall Street among both Democratic and Republican politicians, the four-page memo targeted specific states where the outcome of 2012 elections could have a major impact on the financial sector.

If Democrats make the OWS movement's anti-capitalist message a centerpiece of their campaigns, "this would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street," said the memo posted on MSNBC's website.

So there you go. YOU, personally, may perhaps be laughing about it (or not, I can't tell if you're being honest about that). But there are some major players in politics and the economy who are taking it very seriously indeed.

Oh please. This movement is little more than a bunch of whining children throwing a temper tantrum, because they are realizing that they have been lied to all their lives by parents, teachers, and other idealistic idiots who told them how wonderful they were, and that they deserve a good life just by birthright. They are largely the product of the 60's generation who believed that marxist and socialist policies can actually work. They haven't figured out yet that the world is a meat-grinder, and that the laws of nature still apply.

I have no doubt that there is corruption on Wall Street. I also have no doubt that there's corruption rampant among all these protesters who would gladly take what they didn't earn.

 

[Dragon]

Lizzie, I suggest you inform the lobbying firm of Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford and the American Banking Association of that. They don't seem to share your opinion.

Caroljo: There have been no incidents of violence that have been proven to be the work of Occupy. Accusation is not proof, especially in a climate like this, where lies fall like rain.

 

[Dragon]

By the way, those of you who insist on seeing Occupy as an Obama creation despite all the available facts may want to check out this video of Occupy people heckling the president at a recent speech:

NBC Politics - Obama heckled by Occupy protesters

 

[California Girl]

By the way, those of you who insist on seeing Occupy as an Obama creation despite all the available facts may want to check out this video of Occupy people heckling the president at a recent speech:

NBC Politics - Obama heckled by Occupy protesters

No one sees them as an 'Obama creation' we see them as the creation of a group of individuals, such as Watermelon Man Van Jones et al, backed by Soros.... because that's what they are.

 

[lizzie]

By the way, those of you who insist on seeing Occupy as an Obama creation despite all the available facts may want to check out this video of Occupy people heckling the president at a recent speech:

NBC Politics - Obama heckled by Occupy protesters

You don't recall Obama, just a couple of months ago, telling folks to get out of their house slippers and get to marching? Funny how that tv announcement immediately preceded the OWS movement, but had nothing to do with it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Excellent post and analysis as usual.

The OWS makes me very nervous. Obama has already threatened to set the torches and pitchforks after the banks that finance our free enterprise system, and, sure enough, there they are.

Didn't he say he would not be able to protect the bankers? Back in 09?