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[Old Rocks]

Which Hockey Stick? There are over a dozen of them now, and all show the same thing. A very dramatic upswing of temperature in the last 150 years. Here are a few of them;

CHRIS MOONEYMAY 10 2013, 11:34 AM ET

The Hockey Stick The Most Controversial Chart in Science Explained - The Atlantic

 

[Old Rocks]

A dozen different attempts to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere temperatures over the last millenium. The black curve that shoots up abruptly in the 20th century is based on data from many thousands of satellite, land and ocean instruments, confirmed by measurements of temperatures down boreholes (the gray curve labeled PS2004). The other curves, drawing upon countless hours of data-gathering and analysis by thousands of people, average a variety of "proxy" data ranging from tree rings to chemicals in coral reefs. The relatively warm period noticeable in the early Medieval period in these curves was apparently not global, for it is not prominent in the more limited data from the Southern Hemisphere and the high Arctic. The curve "MBH 1999" traces the original "hockey stick" curve, attacked by critics as misleading. By 2006 even skeptics agreed with the authors' basic conclusion that "late 20th century warmth is unprecedented." The recent steep rise could only be explained as a consequence of the equally steep rise of greenhouse gas emissions.*

Climate over Millenia Hockey Stick graph

From the American Institute of Physics.

 

[mamooth]

Kobashi in 2011 established that it might be 2100 before we are outside the bounds of natural variability within the climate system.

You've never actually looked at that paper, have you? A blog told you what it supposedly said, and you believed. Just like everything else you talk about.

First, Koboshi 2011 was about 3 spots in central Greenland. It had zilch to do with global temperatures.

Second, it showed that while temps are, while not the warmest they've been, much warmer than average and still climbing.

http://www.leif.org/EOS/2011GL049444.pdf

 

[Old Rocks]

RGR, when you compare the satellite data to the ground stations, they come out the same.

And you realize that there were no ground stations or satellite data during the Permian-Triassic, right?

Are you just flap-yapping, or would you really like to know how the Permian-Triassic temperatures and atmospheric content has been measured?

 

[bripat9643]

Which Hockey Stick? There are over a dozen of them now, and all show the same thing. A very dramatic upswing of temperature in the last 150 years. Here are a few of them;

CHRIS MOONEYMAY 10 2013, 11:34 AM ET

The Hockey Stick The Most Controversial Chart in Science Explained - The Atlantic

They all suffer from the same methodological errors as the original Mann Hockey Stick Fraud. For one thing, they all rely on the same bristle-cone pine tree ring proxy data, which has been proven to be erroneous. Refer to climateaudit.org for the details on the problems with each one.

 

[bripat9643]

Which Hockey Stick? There are over a dozen of them now, and all show the same thing. A very dramatic upswing of temperature in the last 150 years. Here are a few of them;

CHRIS MOONEYMAY 10 2013, 11:34 AM ET

The Hockey Stick The Most Controversial Chart in Science Explained - The Atlantic

Fake Data 151How the Hockey Stick Graph Was Contrived.

How Modern Global Warming Science Took Form: Climatology is not real science—nothing but modeling at the origins, self-contradictory, no evidence, no real measurements—just fantasized claims in fake peer reviewed journals as the starting point upon which everything else is based.


Fake Data—How the Hockey Stick Graph Was Contrived

The hockey stick was produced using tree ring data for temperature proxy up to recent times and then grafting on thermometer measurements. The tree ring data was flat for a thousand years in spite of known climate variations. The obvious reason is that temperature does not determine width of tree rings. Growth rate of plants is almost never temperature limited. Usually, it is either light limited or moisture limited. The famous decline after 1960 was probably due to increased overcast limiting light availability for photosynthesis. Physicist may not know this, but ignorance is no excuse for corruption of science.


The unspeakable fraud of it is that the purpose was to detect a 0.6°C global average temperature increase, as if they were using a laboratory instrument. With tree ring width? Four thousand thermometers have been shown to be inadequate for the purpose. See Temperature Fraud.

 

[Old Rocks]

Which Hockey Stick? There are over a dozen of them now, and all show the same thing. A very dramatic upswing of temperature in the last 150 years. Here are a few of them;

CHRIS MOONEYMAY 10 2013, 11:34 AM ET

The Hockey Stick The Most Controversial Chart in Science Explained - The Atlantic

They all suffer from the same methodological errors as the original Mann Hockey Stick Fraud. For one thing, they all rely on the same bristle-cone pine tree ring proxy data, which has been proven to be erroneous. Refer to climateaudit.org for the details on the problems with each one.

So, if we are not warming, why is Greenland and Anarctica losing ice at an increasing rate? Why is the Arctic Ocean looking to be ice free for part of the summer before 2030? Why will the Glacier National Park have no glaciers by 2030? Why are the glaciers worldwide rapidly receding?

The Hockey Stick graphs are produced by differant scientists from differant nations, using differant proxies, yet all come out about the same. In the meantime, non-scientists at sites like Climate Audit pretend to have some kind of science backing them up, but never publish that science in peer reviewed science journals. Perhaps that is a clue to the quality of their science?

 

[Old Rocks]

Steve McIntyre - SourceWatch

Stephen McIntyre is the primary author of the blog Climate Audit, noted for its many articles skeptical of climate change. He is a prominent critic of scientific studies of temperature records of the past 1000 years that show increasing global temperatures. Stephen McIntyre has worked in mineral exploration for 30 years, much of that time as an officer or director of several public mineral exploration companies. "I've spent most of my life in business, mostly on the stock market side of mining exploration deals," he said in 2009.[1]

He has also been a policy analyst for both the governments of Ontario and of Canada.[2] McIntyre was also a headliner at the Heartland Institute's International Conference on Climate Change (2009), a gathering of climate change skeptics in New York from March 8th-10th, 2009.

McIntyre is known to sometimes use the pseudonym Nigel Persaud [3

LOL.

 

[bripat9643]

Steve McIntyre - SourceWatch

Stephen McIntyre is the primary author of the blog Climate Audit, noted for its many articles skeptical of climate change. He is a prominent critic of scientific studies of temperature records of the past 1000 years that show increasing global temperatures. Stephen McIntyre has worked in mineral exploration for 30 years, much of that time as an officer or director of several public mineral exploration companies. "I've spent most of my life in business, mostly on the stock market side of mining exploration deals," he said in 2009.[1]

He has also been a policy analyst for both the governments of Ontario and of Canada.[2] McIntyre was also a headliner at the Heartland Institute's International Conference on Climate Change (2009), a gathering of climate change skeptics in New York from March 8th-10th, 2009.

McIntyre is known to sometimes use the pseudonym Nigel Persaud [3

LOL.

Your point?