The World Passes 400 PPM Threshold. Permanently

[SSDD]

Anomaly is a much more effective way to discuss how temperatures are CHANGING.

Of course...if creating anxiety is your goal...how much anxiety do you think you could generate by proclaiming that the global mean average temperature has increased from 42.2 to 42.8 over the past 100 years? Anomalies are tools used by propagandists seeking to create buzz...nothing more. An honest branch of science would state that an average mean global temperature is a meaningless number and has no place in the discussion.

 

[Crick]

How uneducated do you have to be to see that 0 to 0.6 is an identical delta to 42.2 to 42.8? And how ignorant, paranoid and desperate would you have to be to think this is part of a conspiracy?

Very
and
Very.

PS, the increase from 1915 to 2015 was 0.9C. And the world's current temperature in Farehneit is 58.6. I have no idea where you get your numbers.

 

[SSDD]

As I said...speaking in terms of anomalies is a propaganda tool...making idiotic claims that it isn't is just to be expected from you. There is a definite reason that climate change is not spoken of in terms of absolute temperature...that being that climate science doesn't want to be laughed out of existence.

 

[westwall]

How uneducated do you have to be to see that 0 to 0.6 is an identical delta to 42.2 to 42.8? And how ignorant, paranoid and desperate would you have to be to think this is part of a conspiracy?

Very
and
Very.

PS, the increase from 1915 to 2015 was 0.9C. And the world's current temperature in Farehneit is 58.6. I have no idea where you get your numbers.

Sheesh. Wow. That's a SHOCKING graph I tell you. Oh....wait. That's the beginning of the recovery from the LITTLE ICE AGE! Holy shit clown boy. You are one dumb bunny!

 

[SSDD]

How uneducated do you have to be to see that 0 to 0.6 is an identical delta to 42.2 to 42.8? And how ignorant, paranoid and desperate would you have to be to think this is part of a conspiracy?

Very
and
Very.

PS, the increase from 1915 to 2015 was 0.9C. And the world's current temperature in Farehneit is 58.6. I have no idea where you get your numbers.

Sheesh. Wow. That's a SHOCKING graph I tell you. Oh....wait. That's the beginning of the recovery from the LITTLE ICE AGE! Holy shit clown boy. You are one dumb bunny!

Never ends with him....does it. The funniest thing is that he claims to be an engineer...

 

[Crick]

"the beginning of the recovery from the Little Ice Age". Hmm... let's see.

And, of course, we have another 12 years of rapid warming after this graph ends. See anything wrong with your interpretation? Everyone else here does.

And, what happened to the claim that it hasn't actually been warming? What happened to the claim that the warming data were all fabricated lies from all the socialists and communists who apparently fill the world's science ranks?

Eh?

 

[westwall]

"the beginning of the recovery from the Little Ice Age". Hmm... let's see.

And, of course, we have another 12 years of rapid warming after this graph ends. See anything wrong with your interpretation? Everyone else here does.

And, what happened to the claim that it hasn't actually been warming? What happened to the claim that the warming data were all fabricated lies from all the socialists and communists who apparently fill the world's science ranks?

Eh?

Leave it to a complete moron to think that global temp changes occur in human lifetimes. Here's a clue clown boy, the Earth operates on a time scale so vast, your tiny little mind can't even begin to comprehend it.

 

[Crick]

I'm not certain what your babbling about save that it's attempt to distract us from the real question for which you know you have no answer. The suggestion that the current temperature increase is simply the recover from the LIA is patent nonsense on its face. The rate of change and the absolute change are many times what was seen during the LIA.

Fool.

 

[SSDD]

I'm not certain what your babbling about save that it's attempt to distract us from the real question for which you know you have no answer. The suggestion that the current temperature increase is simply the recover from the LIA is patent nonsense on its face. The rate of change and the absolute change are many times what was seen during the LIA.

Fool.

So now you have stopped claiming that the rate of change is unprecedented for millions of years and have changed your story to it being unprecedented in the last half of a quarter of an eighth of an eye blink in geological time? Good one. And you think that means......what?

 

[Crick]

I said no such thing. English isn't one of your strong points, is it. If I have $100, I have more than $5 and simultaneously more than $50. A-fucking-mazing.

 

[SSDD]

I said no such thing. English isn't one of your strong points, is it. If I have $100, I have more than $5 and simultaneously more than $50. A-fucking-mazing.

And rational thought in any language isn't yours...you answer with nonsense and think that it has some meaning to anyone but you?

 

[skookerasbil]

Yo Matthew..........besides the hobby internet science forums, please show us where anyone is caring about this?

A link would be nice............

 

[Old Rocks]

"the beginning of the recovery from the Little Ice Age". Hmm... let's see.

And, of course, we have another 12 years of rapid warming after this graph ends. See anything wrong with your interpretation? Everyone else here does.

And, what happened to the claim that it hasn't actually been warming? What happened to the claim that the warming data were all fabricated lies from all the socialists and communists who apparently fill the world's science ranks?

Eh?

Leave it to a complete moron to think that global temp changes occur in human lifetimes. Here's a clue clown boy, the Earth operates on a time scale so vast, your tiny little mind can't even begin to comprehend it.

Both the entry into the Younger Dryas, and the exit from the Younger Dryas happened in the period of a human lifetime.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Program - Perspective on Abrupt climate Change

The Younger Dryas is one of the most well-known examples of abrupt change. About 14,500 years ago, the Earth's climate began to shift from a cold glacial world to a warmer interglacial state. Partway through this transition, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere suddenly returned to near-glacial conditions (Figure 6). This near-glacial period is called the Younger Dryas, named after a flower (Dryas octopetala) that grows in cold conditions and became common in Europe during this time. The end of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago, was particularly abrupt. In Greenland, temperatures rose 10° C (18° F) in a decade (Figure 6; Cuffey and Clow

Mr. Westwall that is in the very recent geological record. And there are further records from some of the great extinction events that indicate similar rapid changes in temperature.

 

[westwall]

"the beginning of the recovery from the Little Ice Age". Hmm... let's see.

And, of course, we have another 12 years of rapid warming after this graph ends. See anything wrong with your interpretation? Everyone else here does.

And, what happened to the claim that it hasn't actually been warming? What happened to the claim that the warming data were all fabricated lies from all the socialists and communists who apparently fill the world's science ranks?

Eh?

Leave it to a complete moron to think that global temp changes occur in human lifetimes. Here's a clue clown boy, the Earth operates on a time scale so vast, your tiny little mind can't even begin to comprehend it.

Both the entry into the Younger Dryas, and the exit from the Younger Dryas happened in the period of a human lifetime.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Program - Perspective on Abrupt climate Change

The Younger Dryas is one of the most well-known examples of abrupt change. About 14,500 years ago, the Earth's climate began to shift from a cold glacial world to a warmer interglacial state. Partway through this transition, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere suddenly returned to near-glacial conditions (Figure 6). This near-glacial period is called the Younger Dryas, named after a flower (Dryas octopetala) that grows in cold conditions and became common in Europe during this time. The end of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago, was particularly abrupt. In Greenland, temperatures rose 10° C (18° F) in a decade (Figure 6; Cuffey and Clow

Mr. Westwall that is in the very recent geological record. And there are further records from some of the great extinction events that indicate similar rapid changes in temperature.

Yes, and so what? The world continued on just fine. The same thing apparently happened during the PETM when most of the critters we enjoy today were evolved. Face it, none of the terrible disasters you all cry about happened in the past. Not one.

 

[SSDD]

"the beginning of the recovery from the Little Ice Age". Hmm... let's see.

And, of course, we have another 12 years of rapid warming after this graph ends. See anything wrong with your interpretation? Everyone else here does.

And, what happened to the claim that it hasn't actually been warming? What happened to the claim that the warming data were all fabricated lies from all the socialists and communists who apparently fill the world's science ranks?

Eh?

Leave it to a complete moron to think that global temp changes occur in human lifetimes. Here's a clue clown boy, the Earth operates on a time scale so vast, your tiny little mind can't even begin to comprehend it.

Both the entry into the Younger Dryas, and the exit from the Younger Dryas happened in the period of a human lifetime.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Program - Perspective on Abrupt climate Change

The Younger Dryas is one of the most well-known examples of abrupt change. About 14,500 years ago, the Earth's climate began to shift from a cold glacial world to a warmer interglacial state. Partway through this transition, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere suddenly returned to near-glacial conditions (Figure 6). This near-glacial period is called the Younger Dryas, named after a flower (Dryas octopetala) that grows in cold conditions and became common in Europe during this time. The end of the Younger Dryas, about 11,500 years ago, was particularly abrupt. In Greenland, temperatures rose 10° C (18° F) in a decade (Figure 6; Cuffey and Clow

Mr. Westwall that is in the very recent geological record. And there are further records from some of the great extinction events that indicate similar rapid changes in temperature.

Guess I need to bookmark this post so that when you start up with your "the rate of change we are seeing is unprecedented" bullshit again, I can remind you that even you have acknowledged that it is not...and relative to what has been, our rate of change is well within the realm of natural variability, and in fact, quite mild.

 

[ding]

Permanently is a long time. Geologically speaking the world we live in today is rare. For most of the past 55 million years we lived in a “greenhouse” world. The “ice-house world” we live in is a relatively new phenomenon. The primary drivers were tectonic (poles isolated from warm marine currents) and low atmospheric CO2 (400 ppm).

P.S. Matthew, there are no more blue dogs. They are extinct.

 

[SSDD]

Permanently is a long time. Geologically speaking the world we live in today is rare. For most of the past 55 million years we lived in a “greenhouse” world. The “ice-house world” we live in is a relatively new phenomenon. The primary drivers were tectonic (poles isolated from warm marine currents) and low atmospheric CO2 (400 ppm).

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P.S. Matthew, there are no more blue dogs. They are extinct.

They simply don't seem to be able to look at the long view of earth's history....I guess that is because if you look at the long view, their claims of imminent disaster really do look like chicken little panic over being hit in the head by an acorn...anyone who looks at the long view and thinks that the present is in any way unusual simply has to be an idiot...and a first class dupe.

 

[ding]

Agreed. I believe we are much better off at 600 ppm than we are at 400 ppm. The conditions which led to the ice ages of the past 5 million years still exist today. It's just waiting on the trigger.

 

[skookerasbil]

Permanently is a long time. Geologically speaking the world we live in today is rare. For most of the past 55 million years we lived in a “greenhouse” world. The “ice-house world” we live in is a relatively new phenomenon. The primary drivers were tectonic (poles isolated from warm marine currents) and low atmospheric CO2 (400 ppm).

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P.S. Matthew, there are no more blue dogs. They are extinct.

indeed......this guy Matthew has clearly displayed that he has the political IQ of a handball. In fact, all the alarmist warmers in here display a keen inability to connect the dots politically on energy.

So.........anyway......where are these links to show us where the ppm argument is mattering in the real world? Otherwise, this discussion is nothing more than hobby banter s0ns!!

I wont hold my breath for a response!!