The whores of the US Senate just voted for TPA

[Freewill]

Don t Let the Senate Fast Track TPP EFF Action Center

The above is a web site where you can easily contact your Senate reps. Don't know if they actually do but they say they do and they don't ask for a whole lot of personal information. You can "sign" the form letter or modify it to suit. I added that I would be an independent the next day if either one votes yes. So I guess I better go down to the voter's registration office tomorrow. I will be free, free at last.

 

[Freewill]

and it was one of those fake "close" votes...where you know they were almost all sell-outs... but some were allowed to vote no because the opposition in their districts was higher ......tho this is unpopular across this nation.............

These votes demonstrate that our system is broken.............

They show that the irrational makeup of the Senate particularly needs to be changed.....

Like Teddy Cruz, who was for it before he was against it. He voted for it, but took so much flack he had to pretend he was suddenly against it pretending he was lied to by "establishment" Republicans.

Nice distraction from the FACT that if Obama had not pushed it would never get out of the Senate. This is ALL on Obama, when it goes belly up are you man enough to blame HIM? I doubt it since the same thing happened with Clinton and no one on the left blamed him.

 

[Freewill]

I wonder when they start prosecuting people who make mistakes at the self check out, honest or not.

 

[dcraelin]

Watch out, The whores may try to sneak the TPP through while people are all absorbed in the antics of Trump.

Apparently the last part of the negotiations are going on in Hawaii where the corporate crooks can lavish a vacation on government "negotiators".

 

[BluesLegend]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

 

[auditor0007]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

 

[BluesLegend]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

The vehicle says Made in Mexico, it used to say Made in USA its not rocket science. I'm with Trump slap a big ass tariff on the imports, that's what China and other countries do to us to protect their jobs.

 

[auditor0007]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

The vehicle says Made in Mexico, it used to say Made in USA its not rocket science. I'm with Trump slap a big ass tariff on the imports, that's what China and other countries do to us to protect their jobs.

Go ahead and do that and see what happens. Americans will just end up spending a great deal more for the things they now get for cheap. Companies now look at the market as a global market. The US is not the only market that buys consumer goods, and the percentage of the total global market that the US accounts for is decreasing yearly. Free trade versus protectionist policies is one of those issues that finds supporters and detractors on both sides. Unfortunately, those who believe in protectionist policies are those who miss the fact that in order for our economy to remain strong, we must also sell goods in the ever expanding global market. While our shoes and clothes may be manufactured overseas, the global market has a real need for our technology. One prime markets I can think of right off the top of my head include agriculture, mining, and construction. We should be more worried about gearing our economy to produce things that we can sell abroad as well as here at home.

As you can see in the chart, sales of Caterpillar products is diverse throughout the world, but the well being of Caterpillar relies specifically on the ability to sell their products to other countries.

How Caterpillar Explains the World - The Atlantic

Along with Caterpillar, there are many other American companies that count on international sales for the bulk of their sales. Dow Chemical, DuPont, and Koch Bros are just a few. There are many like DeLong, Newport CH International, and America Chung Nam that you probably have never heard of. Three of the top ten exporters are in the business of exporting recycled paper goods. The key to success for American businesses and long term viability is not to stop companies from importing goods to the US but to make certain that other countries are not preventing US companies from selling their goods to those foreign markets. There are many ways to do this without putting tariffs on everything coming into this country.

 

[dcraelin]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

The vehicle says Made in Mexico, it used to say Made in USA its not rocket science. I'm with Trump slap a big ass tariff on the imports, that's what China and other countries do to us to protect their jobs.

Go ahead and do that and see what happens. Americans will just end up spending a great deal more for the things they now get for cheap. Companies now look at the market as a global market. The US is not the only market that buys consumer goods, and the percentage of the total global market that the US accounts for is decreasing yearly. Free trade versus protectionist policies is one of those issues that finds supporters and detractors on both sides. Unfortunately, those who believe in protectionist policies are those who miss the fact that in order for our economy to remain strong, we must also sell goods in the ever expanding global market. While our shoes and clothes may be manufactured overseas, the global market has a real need for our technology. One prime markets I can think of right off the top of my head include agriculture, mining, and construction. We should be more worried about gearing our economy to produce things that we can sell abroad as well as here at home.

As you can see in the chart, sales of Caterpillar products is diverse throughout the world, but the well being of Caterpillar relies specifically on the ability to sell their products to other countries.

How Caterpillar Explains the World - The Atlantic

Along with Caterpillar, there are many other American companies that count on international sales for the bulk of their sales. Dow Chemical, DuPont, and Koch Bros are just a few. There are many like DeLong, Newport CH International, and America Chung Nam that you probably have never heard of. Three of the top ten exporters are in the business of exporting recycled paper goods. The key to success for American businesses and long term viability is not to stop companies from importing goods to the US but to make certain that other countries are not preventing US companies from selling their goods to those foreign markets. There are many ways to do this without putting tariffs on everything coming into this country.

and they all want to build factories overseas and exploit cheaper labor.

Despite the free trade orthodoxy...history has shown these deals to be bad for the majority of americans.

 

[boilermaker55]

And....you are a f*cking idiot!

Problem is -- You people aren't even aware of what it is you think you're against.

You have no clue. You don't even know 'TPA' is.

It's the same authority every President has had. Not just this one.

If this scumbag piece of shit lying motherfucker of a racist America-Hating pile of filth makes a bad deal (which he likely will, knowing what a piece of filth he is) the next president can simply ignore it, Congress can overturn or the Judicial Branch can strike it down.

Much too much hysteria surrounding this whole thing.

obama is a lying scumbag, I get that. I don't trust him either.

dimocrap filth are sucking up to their mafia criminal Union pals, I get that.

This is not really all that binding. I don't see how we can lose by passing it

 

[Desperado]

whores of the US Senate
is an excellent description of the people we have elected to office.

 

[eagle1462010]

Whores is correct. My state Senators voted against Fast Track of the TPP for many of the same reasons posted in this thread.

The opposition that the TPA is a long standing policy is correct, yet fails to say the current debate is for the TPA to deal with the new influx of lost jobs in this country related to the TPP. Under these deals, they state BLUNTLY that these deals will COST MODERN COUNTRIES JOBS..................They admit it is part of the plan under Globalization. To bring down the labor costs in Modern countries and bring up the cost of labor in Poor countries.................TO END WORLD POVERTY.

They say it is good for us all...............saying products will be cheaper world wide and that it would promote World Competition............of course they IGNORE THE DAMAGE to countries like ours. As our labor force gets fucked and prevailing wages will go down..........as the Corporations rake in the profits, which is it's INTENT................These guys don't give a fuck about poverty in the world. If they did they would end it.

The United States has a LARGE MARKET SHARE of products being sold............................In order to protect our people from lost jobs and lower standards of living..........TARIFFS must be imposed.......................Just as CHINA under the WTO FUCKS US WITH TAXES which equal the same damned thing. Such as a VAT.............They are denying our products there and have been. And yet we must complain to a FOREIGN ENTITY to JUDGE our OWN POLICIES. NICE SELL OUT...............

We are a sovereign nation, and trade deals should be a give and take measure between the United States and China...........and the WTO should butt the fuck out of the negotiation.................If they stop our products we will stop theirs, and if they subsidize their products we will TARIFF that stinking subsidy...............

This doesn't even go into the CURRENCY manipulation going on world wide. China does it to ensure they get the market share............

This deal and others ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THIS COUNTRY, they never were and never will be...............They are done to give the CHAMBER OF CONGRESS their fucking WET DREAMS.

 

[BluesLegend]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

Get something through your thick skull if we are not manufacturing goods in the USA then the USA will collapse. We have already borrowed $18 trillion dollars we can't pay back to fund our current standard of living.

 

[eagle1462010]

Example..........the COOL DEBATE.........under the WTO.

Country of Origin Label. Our laws from Farm bills push for a Country of Origin Label, so consumers here will know where the meats are coming from. Fought in the WTO with Mexico and Canada challenging our Laws on imports. We lost in the WTO court, and have been ordered by the WTO to remove that law................OUR LAWS.............

This is a Landmark settlement. WHY? Because it sets us up for further litigation for MADE IN AMERICA LABELS...............The WTO doesn't want the consumers to know the country of origin of the products. More will come of this.

House Votes to Remove Country-of-Origin Labels on Meat Sold in U.S. - WSJ

The legislation to comply with the WTO has passed the house................and will soon be on the desk of Obama..........to comply with the WTO order...................

The TPP will give Companies and Corporations the right to Sue for Damages directly against the countries for their laws that cost them money to sell their products there.

Australian High Court rules against big tobacco on plain packaging AFTINET

“But the government still faces two more legal challenges from big tobacco, which is desperate to stop Australia setting an example by implementing the plain packaging recommendations of the World Health Organisation.

“Some trade agreements have clauses which allow foreign investors to sue governments, on the grounds that a law or policy ‘harms’ their investment. The Australian government policy is to oppose these clauses in current and future trade negotiations. However, they do exist in some past trade agreements, and big tobacco is taking full advantage of this,” explained Dr Ranald.

“The Philip Morris tobacco company is currently suing the Australian government over its tobacco plain packaging legislation, using an obscure 1993 Hong Kong- Australia investment treaty. Philip Morris is actually a US-based company, but could not sue under the US-Australia Free Trade Agreement, because public opposition kept this clause out of the agreement. Philip Morris rearranged its assets to become a Hong Kong investor in order to use an obscure treaty. This shows how giant global companies can abuse such clauses in trade agreements,’’ said Dr Ranald.


Under the TPP this will become common place........................and they will go to the TPP courts and WTO courts to directly SUE Austrialia for it's LAWS.............

Philip Morris sues over England s plain packaging - CBS News

They are suing England as well.

 

[eagle1462010]

To the corporations of the world. WTO and soon to be the TPP.........................and to the countries that demand we change our laws to suit their needs..........................

This is OUR COUNTRY...................NOT YOURS................
If you WANT TO DO BUSINESS HERE..............you will OBEY OUR LAWS..............

Just as we will not ORDER YOU TO CHANGE YOUR LAWS TO SUIT OUR DESIRES................we expect the SAME FROM YOU.

This is NOT EUROPE.
This is NOT CANADA.
This is NOT MEXICO.
This is NOT CHINA.

You play BY OUR RULES HERE, PERIOD.
Just as we must PLAY BY YOUR RULES THERE.

These deals are a GIANT BUCKET OF WORMS to hand over our SOVEREIGNTY to WORLD BODIES................AND THOSE GROUPS CAN KISS MY ASS.

 

[eagle1462010]

WTO Threatens US With Sanctions

Here is another example of how that scenario is shaping up.

The European Union has told the United States it has until this fall to change US tax laws or face a fine of 4 billion dollars!

How wonderful this must be for Jacques Chirac and the French, a major player in the WTO, and a country which has been hurting under the boycotting of French-made goods by millions of Americans who were angered by Chirac’s threat to veto a new UN resolution on the war in Iraq!

European Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy said, “The commission will review the situation in the autumn.” The threat comes as a result of a protracted dispute over alleged “tax benefits” for such large U.S. companies as Microsoft and Boeing, who do multi-billions of dollars in exports all over the world. Boeing aircraft are to be found in virtually every airline in dozens of countries, and Microsoft products are ubiquitous in the world.

My response to the EU and the Trade organizations...............

 

[auditor0007]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

Get something through your thick skull if we are not manufacturing goods in the USA then the USA will collapse. We have already borrowed $18 trillion dollars we can't pay back to fund our current standard of living.

So let me get this straight; you believe we should manufacture things in the US that can be manufactured in other parts of the world for pennies on the dollar, and you are against making it easy for our high tech companies to export things that we actually can export at a profit due to our advanced technologies. You really must want us to become a third world country. Unreal.

 

[BluesLegend]

the aptly named Sen. Flake out of Arizona spoke in favor, smirking widely while he talked of how of course there will be displaced workers......PLease Arizona don't forget this. Make this asshole a displaced politician next time around.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn.—A barren patch in the rugged hills along the Tennessee River is a sign of how Mexico has accelerated past the U.S. South in the global competition for auto investment.

The tract of cleared woodland lies alongside a factory Volkswagen AG set out to build in 2008. VW took an option on the adjacent 800 acres as a place where its Audi unit might build a North American plant someday.

But four years later, when Audi decided to move global production of its Q5 SUV to North America, the prize went to Mexico. Audi now is finishing a $1.3 billion factory in a gritty south-central Mexico town called San Jose Chiapa. The plant’s massive buildings rise like supertankers from dun-colored fields where families scrape by raising corn and beans.

Mexico’s low wages and improved logistics were part of the draw. But for Audi, which plans to ship the factory’s output all over the world, what tipped the scales was Mexico’s unrivaled trade relationships.

“Mexico had more than 40 different free-trade agreements,” said Rupert Stadler, Audi’s chief executive. The pacts give exporters from Mexico duty-free access to markets that contain 60% of the world’s economic output.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

Get something through your thick skull if we are not manufacturing goods in the USA then the USA will collapse. We have already borrowed $18 trillion dollars we can't pay back to fund our current standard of living.

So let me get this straight; you believe we should manufacture things in the US that can be manufactured in other parts of the world for pennies on the dollar, and you are against making it easy for our high tech companies to export things that we actually can export at a profit due to our advanced technologies. You really must want us to become a third world country. Unreal.

I have told you what the reality is, I can't force you to come to grips with it. Take a good look around at what has happened to the US as our manufacturing jobs have fled to Asia, the poor will now die poor, the middle class has stalled, and even the white collar jobs which relied on manufacturing have vanished so college grads are moving back in with their parents. A huge percentage of the country is on food stamps. $18 trillion in debt and rising. Who's going to bail out the USA? No country in the world has that kind of money.

And what do liberals do? They run around inventing new manufacturing jobs killing regulations and taxes, brilliant! /sarcasm

 

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YOu seem to miss a large part of that picture. With how and why manufacturing is moving overseas.
Think of the reasons other than "tax breaks" to keep them here.

While there may be some displaced workers, there will be greater opportunity to export our own goods and technologies. I was watching a news report on Canadian television concerning the loss of auto jobs in Canada, as many of the automakers are moving their plants to Mexico. While cheaper labor has been a factor, the biggest factor is that Mexico has free trade agreements with almost all countries that matter. This makes it much cheaper to ship cars to other parts of the world. Here is more from a story in the Wall Street Journal stating the same thing.

Why Auto Makers Are Building New Factories in Mexico not the U.S. - WSJ

We are in a global market and economy. We cannot hide from that fact. Trying to do so will only isolate us and diminish greater opportunities down the road. This is one issue that many just do not seem able to grasp, and they come from both the right and left.

This sounds like corporate BS to me, some of the hottest selling vehicles in the US are now manufactured in Mexico, you don't need a free trade agreement to manufacture and sell something right here in the US.

You do realize that the US is not the only car market on the planet, right? It's not just about the US anymore. More new cars are sold in China each year than in the US. The Southeast Asia market is huge, as is much of South America. The rest of the world is catching up to us. Foreign markets are more important to companies than the US market.

Get something through your thick skull if we are not manufacturing goods in the USA then the USA will collapse. We have already borrowed $18 trillion dollars we can't pay back to fund our current standard of living.

So let me get this straight; you believe we should manufacture things in the US that can be manufactured in other parts of the world for pennies on the dollar, and you are against making it easy for our high tech companies to export things that we actually can export at a profit due to our advanced technologies. You really must want us to become a third world country. Unreal.

I have told you what the reality is, I can't force you to come to grips with it. Take a good look around at what has happened to the US as our manufacturing jobs have fled to Asia, the poor will now die poor, the middle class has stalled, and even the white collar jobs which relied on manufacturing have vanished so college grads are moving back in with their parents. A huge percentage of the country is on food stamps. $18 trillion in debt and rising. Who's going to bail out the USA? No country in the world has that kind of money.

And what do liberals do? They run around inventing new manufacturing jobs killing regulations and taxes, brilliant! /sarcasm