The West Shouldn't Allow Georgia To Be A Sacrificial Lamb For Russia

[DiveCon]

Coalition Members

 

[mightypeon]

Ok, lets start with members whihc have absolutly no significance whatsorever:
-Albania
-Angola
-Costa Rica
-Dominican republic
-El Salvador
-Eritrea
-Honduras
-Iceland
-Macedonia
-Marshall Islands
-Micronesia
-Nicaragua
-Palau
-Panama
-Rwanda
-Solomon Islands
-Tonga

Thats already 17 out of 49.
I do not claim that any nation in the CoW is irrelavant, its simply strange to include nations with absolutly no military, industrial or strategic capacities.
Germany, which was vehemently opposed to the Irak war made a more substantial contribution to it (by providing flight rights and guarding American baracks in Germany) than up to half of the coalition members.
If someone who is opposed to an undertaking aids you more than a member of your coalition, than the coalition has some significant problems.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok, lets start with members whihc have absolutly no significance whatsorever:
-Albania
-Angola
-Costa Rica
-Dominican republic
-El Salvador
-Eritrea
-Honduras
-Iceland
-Macedonia
-Marshall Islands
-Micronesia
-Nicaragua
-Palau
-Panama
-Rwanda
-Solomon Islands
-Tonga

Thats already 17 out of 49.
I do not claim that any nation in the CoW is irrelavant, its simply strange to include nations with absolutly no military, industrial or strategic capacities.
Germany, which was vehemently opposed to the Irak war made a more substantial contribution to it (by providing flight rights and guarding American baracks in Germany) than up to half of the coalition members.
If someone who is opposed to an undertaking aids you more than a member of your coalition, than the coalition has some significant problems.

Usual blather from the unknowing and uncaring. The fact is the US had the support of 49 nations and there are what? Only 180 in the UN? Almost a third supported it and yet we hear the idiotic term "unilateral" by people like you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

By the way El Salvador sent troops.

 

[mightypeon]

Majority of mankind? If you go after population numbers the CoW amounts to around 1 billion. One out of 6 is not the majority.
Any many of the CoW member were absolutly not representative about the Irak view of their populations.

 

[editec]

WRONG
the Shah was ALREADY Shah
all we did was advise him to do what he already had the authority to do

The CIA was heavily involved in putting the Shah on the throne. This isn't disputed history, either, BTW.

It was about oil, of course.

Try reading some of these:

The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum
The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum

 

[Dr Grump]

Usual blather from the unknowing and uncaring. The fact is the US had the support of 49 nations and there are what? Only 180 in the UN? Almost a third supported it and yet we hear the idiotic term "unilateral" by people like you.

To curry favour with the US. None of them gave a flying fuck about Iraq and you know it. Stop being so disingenuous. Is your love of Bush so blind you'll even give something this obvious a pass? Pathetic (even for you)...

 

[mightypeon]

Actually, Kuwait may be seen as a CoW member which did care about Irak.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The CIA was heavily involved in putting the Shah on the throne. This isn't disputed history, either, BTW.

It was about oil, of course.

Try reading some of these:

The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum
The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum

Thank you.

 

[DiveCon]

The CIA was heavily involved in putting the Shah on the throne. This isn't disputed history, either, BTW.

It was about oil, of course.

Try reading some of these:

The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum
The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum

WRONG, the Shah was ALREADY Shah, thus ALREADY ON THE THRONE

 

[DiveCon]

Thank you.

his source is WRONG, as are YOU

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

his source is WRONG, as are YOU

You're right that the Shah was the Shah, and that he was on the throne. However, he fled the country when it became clear that the tide had turned in the Prime Minister's favor. It's hard to be in power when you've fled your own country. With the help of the CIA the Prime Minister was taken down and the Shah was returned to power.

Therefore, the United States removed a popularly elected official and put in his place a military dictator.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

The CIA was heavily involved in putting the Shah on the throne. This isn't disputed history, either, BTW.

It was about oil, of course.

Try reading some of these:

The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum
The CIA in Iran - Empire? - Global Policy Forum

Yeah...and?

An expansionist USSR with a puppet regime in Iran to threaten world oil supplies would have guaranteed WW3.

 

[mightypeon]

A very bold statement

 

[Modbert]

A very bold statement

I really don't have time to respond to many of the countries on that list.

However, I will respond to one special one before I go.

Afghanistan is a member of the Coalition of the Willing with their army?

Oh right, our army!

Of course a country is going to be a Coalition of the Willing when we're in their country with thousands of troops trying to rebuild the place (well after the Taliban and us destroyed it with fighting).

What are they gonna say?

"Thanks but no thanks?"

They're not Sarah Palin, if they are for something then they are going to stay for it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I really don't have time to respond to many of the countries on that list.

However, I will respond to one special one before I go.

Afghanistan is a member of the Coalition of the Willing with their army?

Oh right, our army!

Of course a country is going to be a Coalition of the Willing when we're in their country with thousands of troops trying to rebuild the place (well after the Taliban and us destroyed it with fighting).

What are they gonna say?

"Thanks but no thanks?"

They're not Sarah Palin, if they are for something then they are going to stay for it.

You do not have time to provide that evidence that FDR knew about and allowed Pearl Harbor to happen? But you can post this drivel in this thread.

 

[DiveCon]

You do not have time to provide that evidence that FDR knew about and allowed Pearl Harbor to happen? But you can post this drivel in this thread.

drivel requires no real thought process


neither does snark

 

[waltky]

ICC to look into war crimes in 2008 Russian/Georgia conflict...

ICC plans war crimes probe into Russian-Georgian conflict
Oct. 8, 2015 -- The International Criminal Court plans to open an investigation into possible war crimes committed in the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict, the first time Russia's actions will be investigated by the court.

The ICC, headquartered in The Hague, Netherlands, assigned the case to a pre-trial chamber after prosecutor Fatou Bensouda declared her intent to submit a request to open an investigation on the conflict. "On the basis of the information available, prosecutor Bensouda has concluded that there is a reasonable basis to believe that crimes within the jurisdiction of the court have been committed in Georgia in the context of the armed conflict of August 2008," the ICC wrote in a statement.

The International Criminal Court plans to open an investigation into possible crimes committed in the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict, the first time Russia's actions will be investigated by the court. Pictured: Russian soldier looks at a destroyed van and ruins in the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali​

Judges of the pre-trial chamber will decide whether to authorize the prosecutor's request for an investigation. "The judges will have to consider whether there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation, upon examination of the prosecutor's request and the supporting material," the statement adds. During the five-day conflict centered on the South Ossetia and Abkhazia provinces of Georgia, about 170 soldiers, 14 police and 228 civilians from Georgia were killed, about 67 Russian soldiers were killed and 365 South Ossetian servicemen and civilians were killed.

The International Criminal Court plans to open an investigation into possible crimes committed in the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict, the first time Russia's actions will be investigated by the court. Pictured: A destroyed Georgian tank is seen in the center of the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali​

The Human Rights Watch has accused South Ossettia, Georgia and Russia of war crimes during the conflict, saying South Ossetia of set up military positions near civilian locations, putting civilian locations, while Georgian forces allegedly failed to reduce risks to civilians. Meanwhile, the organization said Russia allegedly deliberately attacked civilians fleeing both regions. South Ossetia and Abkhazia are officially part of Georgia but have separate, unrecognized governments that are supported by Russia.

ICC plans war crimes probe into Russian-Georgian conflict

 

[Igrok_]

How an old and irrelevant topic.