The Welfare State-Food Stamp Scam

[Listening]

It probably doesn't apply here, but the numbers of morbidly obese people receiving food stamps astounds me.

If you go to Haiti, the Honduras, or go back in time before the Not-So-Great-Society and talked about fat poor people, they would and then .

Poverty in America is not really poverty.

Scientific American did an entire issue about world poverty a couple years ago. Obesity in poor countries is rising for the same reason it is here.

Carbs.

Carbs are the cheapest source of food. And carbs are very fattening.

Didnt think that needed explaining but some people are so simple minded

Translation: I couldn't explain it if I had to.

 

[MuadDib]

Since the $2600 she is receiving is more than 200% above the FPL for two people, I am guessing there is at least one other child in that household for her to be able to qualify for food stamps.

Is your assumption that the welfare system is in any way designed to restrict or reduce the number of individuals on food stamps...or any other aspect of welfare?

If so, you are laboring under a misapprehension.


1. "By mid-2010, one in six Americas were receiving aid from an anti-poverty program: “More than 50 million Americans are on Medicaid, the federal-state program aimed principally at the poor, a survey of state data by USA TODAY shows. That's up at least 17% since the recession began in December 2007….current enrollment is the highest on record," even before the new health care law adds about 16 million people, beginning in 2014….More than 40 million people get food stamps, an increase of nearly 50% …

Caseloads have risen as more people become eligible. The economic stimulus law signed by President Obama last year also boosted benefits….Close to 10 million receive unemployment insurance, nearly four times the number from 2007. Benefits have been extended by Congress eight times…More than 4.4 million people are on welfare, an 18% increase …The steady climb in safety-net program caseloads and costs has come as a result of two factors: The recession has boosted the number who qualify under existing rules. And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.” Record number in government anti-poverty programs - USATODAY.com


Again:
"And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.”


2. “The 2010 edition of “Federal Spending by the Numbers” shows spending and deficits continuing to grow at a pace not seen since World War II. Washington will spend $30,543 per household in 2010—$5,000 per household more than just two years ago. While some of this spending is a temporary result of the recession, President Obama’s latest budget would replace this temporary spending with permanent new programs. Federal Spending Trends and Federal Budget Trends

Here's a little mental exercise for the Libtards...and the rest:

40 million Americans (well, probably includes a bunch of illegal aliens too) depend on food stamps. Just imagine what will happen in this country if the gubmint goes belly up and 40 million people suddenly can't afford to buy food.

 

[PredFan]

The US has the wealthiest poor in the world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since the $2600 she is receiving is more than 200% above the FPL for two people, I am guessing there is at least one other child in that household for her to be able to qualify for food stamps.

Is your assumption that the welfare system is in any way designed to restrict or reduce the number of individuals on food stamps...or any other aspect of welfare?

If so, you are laboring under a misapprehension.


1. "By mid-2010, one in six Americas were receiving aid from an anti-poverty program: “More than 50 million Americans are on Medicaid, the federal-state program aimed principally at the poor, a survey of state data by USA TODAY shows. That's up at least 17% since the recession began in December 2007….current enrollment is the highest on record," even before the new health care law adds about 16 million people, beginning in 2014….More than 40 million people get food stamps, an increase of nearly 50% …

Caseloads have risen as more people become eligible. The economic stimulus law signed by President Obama last year also boosted benefits….Close to 10 million receive unemployment insurance, nearly four times the number from 2007. Benefits have been extended by Congress eight times…More than 4.4 million people are on welfare, an 18% increase …The steady climb in safety-net program caseloads and costs has come as a result of two factors: The recession has boosted the number who qualify under existing rules. And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.” Record number in government anti-poverty programs - USATODAY.com


Again:
"And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.”


2. “The 2010 edition of “Federal Spending by the Numbers” shows spending and deficits continuing to grow at a pace not seen since World War II. Washington will spend $30,543 per household in 2010—$5,000 per household more than just two years ago. While some of this spending is a temporary result of the recession, President Obama’s latest budget would replace this temporary spending with permanent new programs. Federal Spending Trends and Federal Budget Trends

Here's a little mental exercise for the Libtards...and the rest:

40 million Americans (well, probably includes a bunch of illegal aliens too) depend on food stamps. Just imagine what will happen in this country if the gubmint goes belly up and 40 million people suddenly can't afford to buy food.

The public finds ways to 'use' the largesse, and just possibly, politicians who want to increase the use of hand-outs, know this...

1. "Authorities say the stamps are then redeemed as usual by the unscrupulous merchants at face value, netting them huge profits and diverting as much as $330 million in taxpayer funds annually. But the transactions are electronically recorded and federal investigators, wise to the practice, are closely monitoring thousands of convenience stories and mom-and-pop groceries in a push to halt the fraud."
USDA Cracks Down On Food Stamp Trafficking


And this...
Salon ran an article about how the ‘cool’ have no problem using the system, called “Hipsters on Food Stamps.”

2. "“I’m sort of a foodie, and I’m not going to do the ‘living off ramen’ thing,” he said, fondly remembering a recent meal he’d prepared of roasted rabbit with butter, tarragon and sweet potatoes. “I used to think that you could only get processed food and government cheese on food stamps, but it’s great that you can get anything.”


The increase in food stamp use among this demographic is hard to measure, as they represent a cross section of characteristics not specifically tracked by the Agriculture Department, which administers the program.

And in cities that are magnets for 20- and 30-something creatives and young professionals, the kinds of food markets that specialize in delectables like artisanal bread, heirloom tomatoes and grass-fed beef have seen significant upticks in food stamp payments among their typical shoppers.

“The use has gone way up in the last six months,” said Eric Wilcox, a cashier who has worked at Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco for 10 years. “We’re seeing a lot more young people in their 20s purchasing organic food with food stamp cards. I wouldn’t say it’s limited to hipster people, but I’m certainly surprised to see them with cards.”
Hipsters on food stamps - U.S. Economy - Salon.com


At a certain level, this election will be between those who value self-reliance, and those who endorse living on someone else's dime.


The avalanche of transfer payments are accepted by the public only if they are trained to accept what William Voegeli calls ‘non-Euclidean economics,” in which taxpayers are led to believe that all the goodies are paid for by someone else….the welfare state manages the perceptions of its costs and benefits to encourage them to believe an impossibility: that every household can be a net importer of the wealth redistribution by the government.”
William Voegeli, “Never Enough, America’s Limitless Welfare State,” p. 7.



"When you've got to choose.
Ev'ry way you look at it you lose.
Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
(Woo woo woo) ..."

 

[Claudette]

Actually $2600 a month is alot more than what most people get in child support, now I do think she should get more cause the dude is a millionare but come on $2600 isn't exactly chump change either. Thats $31,200 a year for fucks sake.

Shit. She makes more in child support than I make working.

Sounds like a grab for more money so she doesn't have to work. Of course the Daddy can sure afford to pay more and he should take care of his child.

 

[Claudette]

The US has the wealthiest poor in the world.

Yup. The "poor" in this country make out pretty damned good. Free food, free housing, free phones, free medical, free dental care.

Only problem is that none of it is free. We taxpayers are left holding the bag for their "freebies" and none of the money is ever payed back.

 

[Old Rocks]

1."Mother of Chris Bosh’s

BOOOOSH!! I blame BOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!11

Oh... hehe. Sorry. Just going ahead and getting the moocher class talking point out of the way.

Well yes, the moocher class, the red states, are a real problem for we liberals that have to keep you people going. Someday, you will actually read the books in school, instead of just eating the covers.

 

[High_Gravity]

Actually $2600 a month is alot more than what most people get in child support, now I do think she should get more cause the dude is a millionare but come on $2600 isn't exactly chump change either. Thats $31,200 a year for fucks sake.

Shit. She makes more in child support than I make working.

Sounds like a grab for more money so she doesn't have to work. Of course the Daddy can sure afford to pay more and he should take care of his child.

Well to be fair I guess I can see her point of view, if the babies father is making millions of dollars and eating steak and lobster every night, I would want more than $2600 too I guess.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1."Mother of Chris Bosh’s

BOOOOSH!! I blame BOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!11

Oh... hehe. Sorry. Just going ahead and getting the moocher class talking point out of the way.

Well yes, the moocher class, the red states, are a real problem for we liberals that have to keep you people going. Someday, you will actually read the books in school, instead of just eating the covers.

Remember when the 'red states' were Democrat, 'cause, well, Democrats/Liberals were so closely identified with communists, reds, socialists....

Then the control of the media really paid off for your Lefties....and now the obfuscation is complete.


"It's beginning to look like a suburban swimming pool,'' the television anchor David Brinkley noted on election night 1980, as hundreds of Republican-blue light bulbs illuminated NBC's studio map, signaling a landslide victory for Ronald Regan over the Democratic incumbent Jimmy Carter. Other staffers, Time magazine wrote, called it ''Lake Reagan.''

Mr. Carter's bulbs were red."
Ideas & Trends; One State, Two State, Red State, Blue State - Page 2 - New York Times


Man, I bet that really scared you guys....the thought that folks might know the reality....

 

[ClosedCaption]

The US has the wealthiest poor in the world.

Yup. The "poor" in this country make out pretty damned good. Free food, free housing, free phones, free medical, free dental care.

Only problem is that none of it is free. We taxpayers are left holding the bag for their "freebies" and none of the money is ever payed back.

Yeah, being poor in America is awesome

 

[Claudette]

Glad you agree.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US has the wealthiest poor in the world.

Yup. The "poor" in this country make out pretty damned good. Free food, free housing, free phones, free medical, free dental care.

Only problem is that none of it is free. We taxpayers are left holding the bag for their "freebies" and none of the money is ever payed back.

Yeah, being poor in America is awesome

Poor, as defined as no home, no heat, no food.....

....know any one like that?

 

[Claudette]

Nope and neither does he.

 

[The T]

1."Mother of Chris Bosh’s

BOOOOSH!! I blame BOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!11

Oh... hehe. Sorry. Just going ahead and getting the moocher class talking point out of the way.

Well yes, the moocher class, the red states, are a real problem for we liberals that have to keep you people going. Someday, you will actually read the books in school, instead of just eating the covers.

Is that why the RED STATES have thier budgets under control Crocks?

Greed much?

 

[g5000]

Since the $2600 she is receiving is more than 200% above the FPL for two people, I am guessing there is at least one other child in that household for her to be able to qualify for food stamps.

Is your assumption that the welfare system is in any way designed to restrict or reduce the number of individuals on food stamps...or any other aspect of welfare?

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I brought facts to this conversation. I pointed what the income level requirements are for food stamps and compared it to her income from child support.

Then I noted the disparity between her minimum income and the minimum income requirements for food stamps. If it is just her and the basketball player's kid, she most likely would not qualify as she exceeds the miminum income. Therefore, if she IS receiving food stamps, it may be because there is more than just her and the one baby.

 

[Moonglow]

I should hope so, I have had to pay 282.00 per month on one child in Texas.

 

[Moonglow]

Yup. The "poor" in this country make out pretty damned good. Free food, free housing, free phones, free medical, free dental care.

Only problem is that none of it is free. We taxpayers are left holding the bag for their "freebies" and none of the money is ever payed back.

Yeah, being poor in America is awesome

Poor, as defined as no home, no heat, no food.....

....know any one like that?

yes
, but you can't get those things unless you have an address.

 

[g5000]

Yup. The "poor" in this country make out pretty damned good. Free food, free housing, free phones, free medical, free dental care.

Only problem is that none of it is free. We taxpayers are left holding the bag for their "freebies" and none of the money is ever payed back.

Yeah, being poor in America is awesome

Poor, as defined as no home, no heat, no food.....

....know any one like that?

I do.

Several. They are there if you actually look. But...you know...you have to open your eyes.

That's why I started a charitible organization many years ago. But our resources were not able to meet all the need. I had to make tough choices on who to help and who I had to turn down due to the limits of the donations we received.

Does that mean there are no leeches or welchers? No.

But your logic seems to believe that if you find a leech, that everyone who gets help is a leech. That's some piss poor thinking.

You also seem to think that if you find a leech that means the government has created an unhealthy dependency in everyone who receives help. That is also piss poor thinking.

This is not an either/or proposition. There is a balance.

So even though I have helped many people in dire straits, that does not mean I do not feel anything but contempt for street beggars who are young and able-bodied. But conversely, just because there are able-bodied leeches at road intersections does not mean I write them large upon the entire needy population.

The irony is that the government does not have the manpower to do all the due diligence it takes to ensure those who are truly needy get help and those who are not don't.

I was extremely thorough with my due diligence because I knew that one single case of someone taking advantage of our generosity would destroy our credibility. But that took a great deal of work, and not everyone is as good at it as I am.

 

[g5000]

As someone who ran a charitible organization, I of course got to know all the other charitible organizations in the area.

It may surprise some of you to learn that private charities are taken advantage of just as much as the government is, if not more so. These private charities do not do any due diligence whatsosever.

For example, food baskets. Private charities just take a person's word they need food. They do not ask for evidence of income or an address or anything. My barber works around the corner from a charity and tells me about the big SUVs that park in front of the barbershop out of sight of the charity while they go and get food baskets.

So charities are creating an unhealthy dependency as much as, or more than, the government.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Since the $2600 she is receiving is more than 200% above the FPL for two people, I am guessing there is at least one other child in that household for her to be able to qualify for food stamps.

Is your assumption that the welfare system is in any way designed to restrict or reduce the number of individuals on food stamps...or any other aspect of welfare?

I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

I brought facts to this conversation. I pointed what the income level requirements are for food stamps and compared it to her income from child support.

Then I noted the disparity between her minimum income and the minimum income requirements for food stamps. If it is just her and the basketball player's kid, she most likely would not qualify as she exceeds the miminum income. Therefore, if she IS receiving food stamps, it may be because there is more than just her and the one baby.

Actually, I have no such problem.

Naïveté is your prob.