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    Okay, all you Islamophobes, let's alter the US constitution and its laws so that you can tell us exactly what kind of country we'll all be living in if you get your way.

    What alteration do we make to the First Amendment? Here it is:

    So, presumably y'all want to "define religion" so that Islam does not qualify? How so? What rights would American Muslims lose that they could not assert as free speech and freedom of assembly? I guess we need to curtail those as well?

    My research did not turn up any SCOTUS decision directly on-point; "religion" is apparently rather undefined in US law at this time.

    I assume we need to change our immigration laws, so that no (?) Middles Eastern person, resident of any Arab state or adherent of Islam can emigrate here? How so?

    Do we eject non-citizen Muslims here on otherwise valid visas?

    Do we force citizen Muslims into internment camps?

    Do we pass new RICO laws, so suing Muslims is easier? How do we exempt the RCC from such laws -- or do we? You may want to look over the following lawsuit...a "christian" group in Tennessee is attempting to prevent the building of a mosque on the grounds that "Islam is not a religion".

    Legitimacy of Islam at heart of Murfreesboro mosque suit | tennessean.com | The Tennessean

    Let's have the conversation because I, for one, want to see exactly what y'all have planned for the land Of The Free And The Home Of The Brave. I suspect I won't recognize my country when y'all get done making these changes.

     
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    Tolerance is neither Endorsement nor approval.

    Muslims are just as free to exercise (or not) their religion in the U.S. as are any other groups and individuals. They are also equally subject to criticism.
     
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    Sharia courts would "respect the establisment of religion."
     
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    Not unless they only dealt with religious issues, Revere. E.g., excommunication, reconciliation, etc. If they attempted to cope with domestic violence, other criminal acts and family law, they'd usurp the jurisdiction of the US courts. I don't see that ever passing constititutional muster here.
     
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    They don't only deal with religious issues. Sharia deals with a wide spectrum of civil law ranging from marital rights to banking and finance.
     
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    I am aware that it has been employed in that fashion, and I am not sure how. According to an article CG linked awhile back, this sort of thing happens in the UK. That baffles me...but I'm hardly an expert on UK law.

    In family law, you and your spouse could agree to the terms of a divorce, regarding property, child custody, etc. and file a petition to have the court approve it. 99% of the time, the court probably would grant exactly the order petitioned for....but if a third person informed the court of abuse, duress, or neglect, that court would almost certainly open the matter up for examination and make its own ruling.

    In contract law or tort law, two competent adults can agree to alternative dispute resolution. The American Arbitration Association handles many such cases now -- if you have a Gateway computer, any breach of warranty claim you'd have is enforcable only in an AAA proceeding. This could work to force/allow people to use religious courts as long as no third party's rights were impaired, e.g., a homeowner's insurance company.

    The point of CG's article about Sharia Law in the UK I found most baffling was this: allowing religious courts to cope with criminal law. You assault me and I am not looking to the DA to prosecute you, instead I am looking to religious elders? That is beyond me to imagine in the US.
     
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    It should not, and I don't see anything in your OP that says it will.

    Your extrapolations about cultural or religious issues have no foundation.
     
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    I have been posting on a thread about Islamophobia, Revere. I wrote this Op in order to invite comments about how the US constitution should be altered in the view of those who hate Muslims, and feel Islam is a criminal conspiracy we need to ban here.
     
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    Who's saying any of this? I hate when people half pay attention to what people are saying just so they can say what they want to say and then grill others for something they never said.
     

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